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Result of second phone call this morning.
My application was received on 15/3 (I knew that). But has not been "assessed" yet .
They are currently working on applications received on 8/3. So it should be done late next week. Will phone back midweek.
I would *really* like to get this before 8/4!!!! Thought I was in good enough time but it looks like it will be running close to the mark
My application was received on 15/3 (I knew that). But has not been "assessed" yet .
They are currently working on applications received on 8/3. So it should be done late next week. Will phone back midweek.
I would *really* like to get this before 8/4!!!! Thought I was in good enough time but it looks like it will be running close to the mark
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You did the examination and sent it off before 8/4 which is what counts, chill bro..... Your reval will be 25 months after the date of the exam.
As I remember mine took about 15 working days, and don't make the mistake I made which is thinking they hadn't sent a new FCL back. I was just about to ring them when it slipped out of my log book where they had hidden it.
As I remember mine took about 15 working days, and don't make the mistake I made which is thinking they hadn't sent a new FCL back. I was just about to ring them when it slipped out of my log book where they had hidden it.
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why all the consternation at the 8th April date?
You did the examination and sent it off before 8/4 which is what counts
Anyway sorry for venting a bit. End of a rather frustrating week and this just added to it I suppose..... first outing in the P2002 earlier helped a bit
Whoever gave this brief at Shoreham seems to have been rather poorly prepared.
You should see another CAA press release in a couple of weeks concerning 'grandfathering'of the IMCR, I understand.
Meanwhile, EASA will begin to consider NPA 2011-16 responses next week. The CAA will be participating; thanks to the tenacity of AOPA, the CAA representative will now be arguing the case for retention of the IMCR under direction from the very top of the Authority.
You should see another CAA press release in a couple of weeks concerning 'grandfathering'of the IMCR, I understand.
Meanwhile, EASA will begin to consider NPA 2011-16 responses next week. The CAA will be participating; thanks to the tenacity of AOPA, the CAA representative will now be arguing the case for retention of the IMCR under direction from the very top of the Authority.
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I would imagine that EASA would have serious problems in the future insisting on a cut off date of the 8th April when the rating can still be issued onto a JAR licence up to 30th June, which will be an EASA licence when re-issued - can't see how they could make that stick. Doesn't give me anything to worry about to be honest.
The original advice about the 8th April was before the CAA clarification on dates.
But if the move is to push for retention, then it won't matter anyway.
The original advice about the 8th April was before the CAA clarification on dates.
But if the move is to push for retention, then it won't matter anyway.
As far as pilots of EASA aeroplanes are concerned, there are 2 main issues:
1. Grandfathering. The inclusion of IMC privileges in part-FCL licences for those who obtained them before an as yet unspecified date. The CAA has almost finalised proposals for this and will be putting them to EASA 'soon'.
2. Continuance. The inclusion of IMC privileges in part-FCL licences for future pilot licence holders. This is, as far as EASA is concerned, a highly contentious issue. However, AOPA(UK), CAA, IAOPA(EU) and PPL/IR have all proposed a method by which this may be achieved in their comment repsonses to EASA's NPA 2011-16. The comment review team will hold its first meeting in Köln next week; fortunately, 'over regulation' of GA is currently a hot topic at the European Commission and within national aviation authorities, which should influence EASA's rulemakers in terms of accepting the need for regulatory flexibility to take account of the individual national needs of Member States.
Lastly, THERE IS NO 8 APR 2012 CUT-OFF DATE!!!!
1. Grandfathering. The inclusion of IMC privileges in part-FCL licences for those who obtained them before an as yet unspecified date. The CAA has almost finalised proposals for this and will be putting them to EASA 'soon'.
2. Continuance. The inclusion of IMC privileges in part-FCL licences for future pilot licence holders. This is, as far as EASA is concerned, a highly contentious issue. However, AOPA(UK), CAA, IAOPA(EU) and PPL/IR have all proposed a method by which this may be achieved in their comment repsonses to EASA's NPA 2011-16. The comment review team will hold its first meeting in Köln next week; fortunately, 'over regulation' of GA is currently a hot topic at the European Commission and within national aviation authorities, which should influence EASA's rulemakers in terms of accepting the need for regulatory flexibility to take account of the individual national needs of Member States.
Lastly, THERE IS NO 8 APR 2012 CUT-OFF DATE!!!!
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Is there anything that would prevent the "as yet unspecified date" being defined retrospectively on the "NO 8 APR CUT-OFF DATE" or on any other date before the day that date is promulgated?
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1. Grandfathering. The inclusion of IMC privileges in part-FCL licences for those who obtained them before an as yet unspecified date. The CAA has almost finalised proposals for this and will be putting them to EASA 'soon'.
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"Continuance" is of course what we all want and hope for.
There is however a realistic chance that that may not happen, in which case we have to fall back on "grandfathering". In that case there would be a cut off date. As Slopey says if the CAA are issuing IMCRs on JAR licences until 30th June then one would hope that any cut off date would not be before that, but who knows?
There is however a realistic chance that that may not happen, in which case we have to fall back on "grandfathering". In that case there would be a cut off date. As Slopey says if the CAA are issuing IMCRs on JAR licences until 30th June then one would hope that any cut off date would not be before that, but who knows?
The as yet unspecified date will not, according to the CAA, be before 30 Jun 2012.
The 'Interim Statement' released recently made that quite clear.
The CAA has lined up its ducks and will be putting its 'conversion report' intentions to EASA any day now.
The 'Interim Statement' released recently made that quite clear.
The CAA has lined up its ducks and will be putting its 'conversion report' intentions to EASA any day now.
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The as yet unspecified date will not, according to the CAA, be before 30 Jun 2012.
The 'Interim Statement' released recently made that quite clear.
The 'Interim Statement' released recently made that quite clear.
What it does say (paragraph 7) is:
It is this proposal, including the specific date - being the last date to obtain an IMC Rating that can be converted to an IR(A)(Restricted) - which is still to be agreed.
There is agreement in principle that the priveliges of licence holders that are gained before Regulation (EU) 1178/2011....... ...... applies should as far as possible be preserved.
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Or are you referrring to page 27 of this presentation (which outlines the CAA's proposal but is subject to EASA approval)?
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Yes it would be illegal to fly without the rating being issued as you dont have a rating....
You could fly with an Instructor or with a safety pilot in VMC with foggles to maintain currency.
You could fly with an Instructor or with a safety pilot in VMC with foggles to maintain currency.
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I was going to call again but there seemed little point, even before reading the above posts.
Like Will Knot my application was also received on 15th March. Last Friday they were processing applications received on 8th March. And I'm guessing they won't be working tomorrow?
Here and on another forum it's been stated that cut off date for any grandfathering will not be earlier than end June. However it seems that is only what the CAA are proposing, and is subject to agreement with EASA.
Like Will Knot my application was also received on 15th March. Last Friday they were processing applications received on 8th March. And I'm guessing they won't be working tomorrow?
Here and on another forum it's been stated that cut off date for any grandfathering will not be earlier than end June. However it seems that is only what the CAA are proposing, and is subject to agreement with EASA.
The whole grandfathering / continuance / regulation of GA area is inextricably linked. No-one can give you any written assurances at this stage; however, the EASA has always said that they cannot remove existing privileges under part-FCL. The UK won't adopt part-FCL until 1 Jul 2012, most other Member States are using 8 Apr 2013. Thus UK IMCR privileges gained before part-FCL will, according to the Agency, be safe; however, the 'grandfathering' of those gained subsequently is being debated by the CAA and EASA presently.
The issue of 'grandfathering' v. 'continuance' will depend upon the outcome of the FCL.008 Comment Review Team's work. They should also take into account the EASA Management Board's recent meeting at which they were told emphatically (by all NAAs, the EC and industry, particularly EAS and IAOPA) that their GA regulation is disproportionate.
Until 7 Apr 2014 at the latest - nothing. National ICAO-compliant PPLs, including any privileges contained therein, may be used to fly EASA aircraft until that date. By which time the outcome of the NPA 2011-16 Opinion will have become law.........probably
The issue of 'grandfathering' v. 'continuance' will depend upon the outcome of the FCL.008 Comment Review Team's work. They should also take into account the EASA Management Board's recent meeting at which they were told emphatically (by all NAAs, the EC and industry, particularly EAS and IAOPA) that their GA regulation is disproportionate.
So those of us with an IMCr on a lifetime CAA PPL still don't know what to do.
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[quote=Will Knot;7119400]Just to up-date you all and save you a phone call, I have spoken with the CAA today to enquire about how they're getting on with my IMC rating application.
It was received on the 15th March and is still in the 'to be assessed' pile, possibly swapping stories with madgav's.
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Indeed as per my previous post I have also phoned them today.
They have had mine since the 20th march for my IMC rating adding, no money taken yet from my card.
She also said do not be concerned regarding the mentioned April 8th...
It was received on the 15th March and is still in the 'to be assessed' pile, possibly swapping stories with madgav's.
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Indeed as per my previous post I have also phoned them today.
They have had mine since the 20th march for my IMC rating adding, no money taken yet from my card.
She also said do not be concerned regarding the mentioned April 8th...
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Thanks for the info BEagle
My feeling remains that something decent will eventually result from this mess......
I'm expecting mine to be processed probably sometime next week now.......
My feeling remains that something decent will eventually result from this mess......
I'm expecting mine to be processed probably sometime next week now.......