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Pace,
I was taught to be cautious, but in saying that, man only learns in two ways, one by reading, and the other by association with smarter people. In this instance, your puzzling thoughts may have something to do with a bit of both.
What I can say to get the ball rolling is this. I have never been shy in coming forward and standing up. I stood up to all the threats and potentially stood to lose £7K by opening my mouth. None of that worried me in the slightest. I was more concerned with helping and preventing others by losing more money to Weaver.
In this instance, as far as I am concerned, nothing has changed. We have another
whom in my estimation is even worse. It is believed that you yourself are a victim, yet you seem to have greater concerns and have not said anything.
Put your **** on the block and lead the way. Other victims may follow, but from what I understand, people are afraid to be named and shamed in fear of being branded gullible, by being drawn in by him. All I can say to people is this. Don't be ashamed. If I can get drawn in, anyone can, and you might find the same from powers that be.
The other thing to think about Pace is reverse psychology. Before, knowing that you were going to have your post deleted, people flew in fast to post. This time the thread/posts have remained so they have probably thought differently. I would sometimes say to the kids, "you are not wearing your coat today!" and it always produced positive results.
As I have said previously. I have not given people 2 years of my life story because I was bored. I have plenty to be getting on with. I have given it to help and assist with the cause.
flybymike - every little bit helps
I was taught to be cautious, but in saying that, man only learns in two ways, one by reading, and the other by association with smarter people. In this instance, your puzzling thoughts may have something to do with a bit of both.
What I can say to get the ball rolling is this. I have never been shy in coming forward and standing up. I stood up to all the threats and potentially stood to lose £7K by opening my mouth. None of that worried me in the slightest. I was more concerned with helping and preventing others by losing more money to Weaver.
In this instance, as far as I am concerned, nothing has changed. We have another
whom in my estimation is even worse. It is believed that you yourself are a victim, yet you seem to have greater concerns and have not said anything.Put your **** on the block and lead the way. Other victims may follow, but from what I understand, people are afraid to be named and shamed in fear of being branded gullible, by being drawn in by him. All I can say to people is this. Don't be ashamed. If I can get drawn in, anyone can, and you might find the same from powers that be.
The other thing to think about Pace is reverse psychology. Before, knowing that you were going to have your post deleted, people flew in fast to post. This time the thread/posts have remained so they have probably thought differently. I would sometimes say to the kids, "you are not wearing your coat today!" and it always produced positive results.
As I have said previously. I have not given people 2 years of my life story because I was bored. I have plenty to be getting on with. I have given it to help and assist with the cause.
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I am a very minor victim financially of kevin Crellin / GEP! To the value of a meal out for two which was a donation I made to support your wife and children or so Kevin Crellin claimed.
With claims made by others which I though was a hoax I checked the bank details where that small amount of money had gone and was horrified to see the account numbers were the same as the ones used on a radio control model site and where others had sent money ie Kevin Crellin a convicted Fraudsters account.
At that point I believed Kevin Crellin and Golden eagle pilot were one and the same.
I was also reliably informed that Ghengis the engineer had been kicked out because he had exposed the rough area where GoldenEaglePilot lived.
GEP was livid and had him expelled.
Kevin Crellin had infiltrated the very heart of pprune and especially Towers and these two were on a clean up aviation mission.
The Weaver thread had turned into a show where innocent people were dragged into a forum court a Kangaroo court where those innocent people were blackend and used in a game for the so called righteous crusaders.
The pprune code of conduct went out of the window with abuse of posters allowed if it suited the cause and bannings brought into force if it did not!
The forum turned into a bear bating arena with those calling for blood and which eventually forced many to leave the forums in disgust!!
Through all that one of the main driving forces who had massive support was a convicted criminal called Kevin Crellin.
Towers was a victim manipulated by this evil man Kevin Crellin who then turned his fire onto Towers when he was smelt out like the below contempt rat he was.
people talk about being victims? yet most victims play a part in their own downfall and act as if they have no control over that down fall.
For me the Weaver thread turned pprune into a not very nice place conducted by a convicted fraudster and criminal by the name of Kevin crellin
Pace
I am a very minor victim financially of kevin Crellin / GEP! To the value of a meal out for two which was a donation I made to support your wife and children or so Kevin Crellin claimed.
With claims made by others which I though was a hoax I checked the bank details where that small amount of money had gone and was horrified to see the account numbers were the same as the ones used on a radio control model site and where others had sent money ie Kevin Crellin a convicted Fraudsters account.
At that point I believed Kevin Crellin and Golden eagle pilot were one and the same.
I was also reliably informed that Ghengis the engineer had been kicked out because he had exposed the rough area where GoldenEaglePilot lived.
GEP was livid and had him expelled.
Kevin Crellin had infiltrated the very heart of pprune and especially Towers and these two were on a clean up aviation mission.
The Weaver thread had turned into a show where innocent people were dragged into a forum court a Kangaroo court where those innocent people were blackend and used in a game for the so called righteous crusaders.
The pprune code of conduct went out of the window with abuse of posters allowed if it suited the cause and bannings brought into force if it did not!
The forum turned into a bear bating arena with those calling for blood and which eventually forced many to leave the forums in disgust!!
Through all that one of the main driving forces who had massive support was a convicted criminal called Kevin Crellin.
Towers was a victim manipulated by this evil man Kevin Crellin who then turned his fire onto Towers when he was smelt out like the below contempt rat he was.
people talk about being victims? yet most victims play a part in their own downfall and act as if they have no control over that down fall.
For me the Weaver thread turned pprune into a not very nice place conducted by a convicted fraudster and criminal by the name of Kevin crellin
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Pace has boldly stepped forward to say (and identify by name) what I was thinking. I was contacted by GEP, as I know for a fact other prominent PPRuNers were also. I have few facts, so I won't risk speculating, and being guilty of an error, or an "outing".
I can say from my perspective, one of the "layers" was what happened to Genghis, which was, and remains largely outrageous. That layer may not be directly related to Jetblu, but it has a connection. There are other layers too.
Jetblu, from your perspective, and very fairly so, this is totally serious business, and I would never seek to minimize that. I'm just containing my statements to what I know for myself, and not speculation.
When GEP contacted me, following Jetblu's very unhappy event, I responded with interest, and did have some communication with other PPRuNers as well, which all centered on being directly supporting to Jetblu. It all appeared to be all of the highest intentions. Apparently, that was not the case. I have looked for the messages, but I have deleted them over time.
Jetblu, it sounds like you have some very valid points, for which society's resolution sounds very appropriate. I will leave that work to the people who need to do it. If I have information which is needed, I will truthfully relate the little I know to a suitably empowered legal person.
In addition finding some resolution for Jetblu, I hope PPRuNe management looks at this whole debacle in the PPRuNe context, and in a collective gasp, says: "We'll never let that happen again!). Time will tell....
I can say from my perspective, one of the "layers" was what happened to Genghis, which was, and remains largely outrageous. That layer may not be directly related to Jetblu, but it has a connection. There are other layers too.
Jetblu, from your perspective, and very fairly so, this is totally serious business, and I would never seek to minimize that. I'm just containing my statements to what I know for myself, and not speculation.
When GEP contacted me, following Jetblu's very unhappy event, I responded with interest, and did have some communication with other PPRuNers as well, which all centered on being directly supporting to Jetblu. It all appeared to be all of the highest intentions. Apparently, that was not the case. I have looked for the messages, but I have deleted them over time.
Jetblu, it sounds like you have some very valid points, for which society's resolution sounds very appropriate. I will leave that work to the people who need to do it. If I have information which is needed, I will truthfully relate the little I know to a suitably empowered legal person.
In addition finding some resolution for Jetblu, I hope PPRuNe management looks at this whole debacle in the PPRuNe context, and in a collective gasp, says: "We'll never let that happen again!). Time will tell....
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Jetblu
Good to hear that you are getting on with things. You inspired me with your Sunday post.
As one of the people affected, I will stand-up.
I was gullible and swallowed GEP/Henderson/Crellin's lies hook, line and sinker.
THE BAIT
email from Henderson/Crellin
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Dave unfortunately has left a financial mess for his family (wife plus three young girls, ranging from a few months old to 7) It was discovered after the accident that the family home was up for repossession. His family have not only had to face the stress of the accident but also the financial mess he left behind.
Any help that anyone can give them will be very gratefully received
Are you on Skype? It might be easier to chat?
The extent of the financial mess is being kept quiet to avoid any embarrassment for the family - its not their fault but Dave's
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THE HOOK
email from Henderson/Crellin
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Thanks for your kind offer of help for Hayley and the girls. The account that has been set up for any donations is
sort code: 07 44 56
account number: 47683363 (Hayley Green)
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THE LINE
email from Henderson/Crellin
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I rang the local brach - no problem getting the info
Regards
David
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Rennaps wrote:
Hi again David,
Yes, it was good to talk to you
To do an international bank transfer I need:
Bank Name : Nationwide
Account name: Hayley Green
Account number: 47683363
(seems a bit short to me or does the sort code go in front of the account number) ??
IBAN number: GB45NAIA07011647683363
Swift code: MIDLGB22
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THE SINKER
email from Henderson/Crellin
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Good morning,
Was at a friends last night, had some fun bringing him up to date on the Weaver saga on PPrune, which now includes Weavers transexual "minder" who has been flying without a medical following heart problems.
The name on the account is Kevin R. Crellin. all other details are the same. He opened the account for Hayley to use due to the difficulties she had opening a new account because of her poor credit rating. I must admit I feel sorry for her, the aftermath of the fire and Dave will stay with them for the rest of her life
Dave Green's lost son visited him last night. Which was fantastic news.
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And many Skype phone calls in between.
As I said I fell for it hook, line and sinker.
I feel rather silly that I allowed myself (at my age) to be conned.
However I must say that not only was I stupid but in my defense, Crellin was good.
Good to hear that you are getting on with things. You inspired me with your Sunday post.
As one of the people affected, I will stand-up.
I was gullible and swallowed GEP/Henderson/Crellin's lies hook, line and sinker.
THE BAIT
email from Henderson/Crellin
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Dave unfortunately has left a financial mess for his family (wife plus three young girls, ranging from a few months old to 7) It was discovered after the accident that the family home was up for repossession. His family have not only had to face the stress of the accident but also the financial mess he left behind.
Any help that anyone can give them will be very gratefully received
Are you on Skype? It might be easier to chat?
The extent of the financial mess is being kept quiet to avoid any embarrassment for the family - its not their fault but Dave's
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THE HOOK
email from Henderson/Crellin
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Thanks for your kind offer of help for Hayley and the girls. The account that has been set up for any donations is
sort code: 07 44 56
account number: 47683363 (Hayley Green)
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THE LINE
email from Henderson/Crellin
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I rang the local brach - no problem getting the info
Regards
David
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Rennaps wrote:
Hi again David,
Yes, it was good to talk to you
To do an international bank transfer I need:
Bank Name : Nationwide
Account name: Hayley Green
Account number: 47683363
(seems a bit short to me or does the sort code go in front of the account number) ??
IBAN number: GB45NAIA07011647683363
Swift code: MIDLGB22
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THE SINKER
email from Henderson/Crellin
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Good morning,
Was at a friends last night, had some fun bringing him up to date on the Weaver saga on PPrune, which now includes Weavers transexual "minder" who has been flying without a medical following heart problems.
The name on the account is Kevin R. Crellin. all other details are the same. He opened the account for Hayley to use due to the difficulties she had opening a new account because of her poor credit rating. I must admit I feel sorry for her, the aftermath of the fire and Dave will stay with them for the rest of her life
Dave Green's lost son visited him last night. Which was fantastic news.
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And many Skype phone calls in between.
As I said I fell for it hook, line and sinker.
I feel rather silly that I allowed myself (at my age) to be conned.
However I must say that not only was I stupid but in my defense, Crellin was good.
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Rennaps,
I've spent months collecting PM's from Crellin to PPRuNers while he was casting for money. Yours is the first I've seen which directly attaches Hayley's name to a bank account - in the examples I have it was inferred but not directly stated.
If anyone else has a similar PM's or emails which are equally bold in perhaps linking Crellin's bank account to her name I'd be very grateful for copies. The reasoning should be pretty obvious. And yes, I do have a statement from Hayley. No money ever came from that account, that she only over received the flowers despatched on behalf of all of us by PPRuNe on the 6th January 2012 and a single very specific donation from a specific type of account.
Rob
I've spent months collecting PM's from Crellin to PPRuNers while he was casting for money. Yours is the first I've seen which directly attaches Hayley's name to a bank account - in the examples I have it was inferred but not directly stated.
If anyone else has a similar PM's or emails which are equally bold in perhaps linking Crellin's bank account to her name I'd be very grateful for copies. The reasoning should be pretty obvious. And yes, I do have a statement from Hayley. No money ever came from that account, that she only over received the flowers despatched on behalf of all of us by PPRuNe on the 6th January 2012 and a single very specific donation from a specific type of account.
Rob
rennaps,
you were not the only one, MANY of us fell for it. Me too. I am compiling the data now and will forward them to PPTowers and Jetblu as soon as I can find it all.
Jetblu
I am delighted to see you post again. Many of us here feared (rightly as it appears) for your life and (wrongly) assumed that the "help" effort initiated by GEP would do something pprune could be proud of. Well, it turns out, the opposite happened.
But likewise, it appears that some of our prayers here for your life have been heard. You are with us and I for one will stand with you and the others here to right the wrong which has happened at the hands of GEP.
We really should make an effort now to clear up the whole mess, that is we need to compile data from everyone who has contributed to this in order to find out just what amounts we are talking of and to give law enforcement the best possibilities to go after this guy and possibly recover some of the amount he took from us.
Like yourself, I am not interested in recovering the money I gave for myself, but would leave it to Jetblu to decide what to do with anything that is recovered from Crellin if anything. But I AM interested in justice to be done.
Best regards
An2 Driver
you were not the only one, MANY of us fell for it. Me too. I am compiling the data now and will forward them to PPTowers and Jetblu as soon as I can find it all.
Jetblu
I am delighted to see you post again. Many of us here feared (rightly as it appears) for your life and (wrongly) assumed that the "help" effort initiated by GEP would do something pprune could be proud of. Well, it turns out, the opposite happened.
But likewise, it appears that some of our prayers here for your life have been heard. You are with us and I for one will stand with you and the others here to right the wrong which has happened at the hands of GEP.
We really should make an effort now to clear up the whole mess, that is we need to compile data from everyone who has contributed to this in order to find out just what amounts we are talking of and to give law enforcement the best possibilities to go after this guy and possibly recover some of the amount he took from us.
Like yourself, I am not interested in recovering the money I gave for myself, but would leave it to Jetblu to decide what to do with anything that is recovered from Crellin if anything. But I AM interested in justice to be done.
Best regards
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Pace,
I took on board what you said, and upon reflection, I decided to delete my original post . Whilst I am still very happy to share the details of events, I felt that it was perhaps receiving a different type of attention from what my post was fundamentally designed to achieve. I can now see some focus in the right direction, but in saying that, I think that I need to adjust course once again and counteract for the other drift thrown in. I have one (1)
person in my sight from this orchestrated ghastly affair, and make no mistake, that is not the other poster that you mention. At this juncture, please lets sort the wheat from the chaff and concentrate with total focus.
Thank you for your account.
Pilot DAR
Much similar to what I have to Pace (see above). Thank you for your support. As I have said in my previous posts, if you find anything of any significance that was forwarded to you by GEP, please forward it onto the authorities. I am pleased to hear that you yourself was not a victim.
rennaps
Thank you for your detailed post. I can honestly see how you were taken in as I would have done exactly the same thing as you. I concur with you, Kevin Crellin is very clever at what he does and says, that is the frightening part.
My family genuinely believed him what with saying and that he was an ex solicitor and ex SAS etc etc. The part I still find remarkable to this day is that Hayley never did believe that he was a solicitor having overheard a telephone conversation on loudspeaker that I had with him. One of life's mysteries eh.
I was forever getting ridiculed by her with her famous quote. "charity begins at home" No matter how much money I gave her, any monies that I gave to charities was wrong in her eyes. All monies should have been diverted to her bank account.
That is the same to this date. I see little point in expanding, but I can genuinely say the first or second home was never repossessed. The beauty treatments were ongoing throughout, meals out, concerts and parties continued, as did the constant comings and goings of various men.
She did attempt to sell my house at one stage. This was blocked by my family via the High Court. I understand that she also attempted to sell her own home but then stopped and decided that the rent from tht was producing a good income.
She did relieve me of my Jaguar and Yamaha R1. She was then attempting to also relieve me of my aircraft as well, but that was again stopped.
It was interesting to note the reference to Weavers "transexual" minder.
Crellin forwarded myself and another well known ferry pilot an email in October 2011 with a link on the same subject. That link has now proven to have been set up by Crellin himself. Blow me down, in February 2012, Crellin produced another manufactured document to Hayley suggesting that I had had an affair with my ex wife. It was only upon scrutiny of that document by the Police that they noticed another "transexual" website link.
AN2 Driver.
Thank you for your post. Like I said, I am no nobody's fool, and even I fell for it. There are even people a lot smarter than I who also fell for it, and the nice thing demonstrated here on PPRuNe is that the wrong is being put to right.
Giving money to charity is a good thing in my estimation, (although in this instance, wrong) but if people behind the scenes are manipulating and diverting monies to justify their own ends, that needs stopping, and stopping fast!
I took on board what you said, and upon reflection, I decided to delete my original post . Whilst I am still very happy to share the details of events, I felt that it was perhaps receiving a different type of attention from what my post was fundamentally designed to achieve. I can now see some focus in the right direction, but in saying that, I think that I need to adjust course once again and counteract for the other drift thrown in. I have one (1)
person in my sight from this orchestrated ghastly affair, and make no mistake, that is not the other poster that you mention. At this juncture, please lets sort the wheat from the chaff and concentrate with total focus.
Thank you for your account.
Pilot DAR
Much similar to what I have to Pace (see above). Thank you for your support. As I have said in my previous posts, if you find anything of any significance that was forwarded to you by GEP, please forward it onto the authorities. I am pleased to hear that you yourself was not a victim.
rennaps
Thank you for your detailed post. I can honestly see how you were taken in as I would have done exactly the same thing as you. I concur with you, Kevin Crellin is very clever at what he does and says, that is the frightening part.
My family genuinely believed him what with saying and that he was an ex solicitor and ex SAS etc etc. The part I still find remarkable to this day is that Hayley never did believe that he was a solicitor having overheard a telephone conversation on loudspeaker that I had with him. One of life's mysteries eh.
I was forever getting ridiculed by her with her famous quote. "charity begins at home" No matter how much money I gave her, any monies that I gave to charities was wrong in her eyes. All monies should have been diverted to her bank account.
That is the same to this date. I see little point in expanding, but I can genuinely say the first or second home was never repossessed. The beauty treatments were ongoing throughout, meals out, concerts and parties continued, as did the constant comings and goings of various men.She did attempt to sell my house at one stage. This was blocked by my family via the High Court. I understand that she also attempted to sell her own home but then stopped and decided that the rent from tht was producing a good income.
She did relieve me of my Jaguar and Yamaha R1. She was then attempting to also relieve me of my aircraft as well, but that was again stopped.
It was interesting to note the reference to Weavers "transexual" minder.
Crellin forwarded myself and another well known ferry pilot an email in October 2011 with a link on the same subject. That link has now proven to have been set up by Crellin himself. Blow me down, in February 2012, Crellin produced another manufactured document to Hayley suggesting that I had had an affair with my ex wife. It was only upon scrutiny of that document by the Police that they noticed another "transexual" website link.
AN2 Driver.
Thank you for your post. Like I said, I am no nobody's fool, and even I fell for it. There are even people a lot smarter than I who also fell for it, and the nice thing demonstrated here on PPRuNe is that the wrong is being put to right.
Giving money to charity is a good thing in my estimation, (although in this instance, wrong) but if people behind the scenes are manipulating and diverting monies to justify their own ends, that needs stopping, and stopping fast!
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I am really sorry to hear about the antics of your ex. Problems with matters of the heart are that we cannot see or do not want to see the reality of who we are with.
It takes a life event like the one that happened to you to see someone in their true colors.
Hers was to run and take what she could in the process so you are far better without someone like that!
Please look after your own interests now as people who take from you will not give a damn about you in the future.
Yes some of us come from this from a different angle for you the Weaver thread was a means of righting wrongs for me it was an in sight into the Lynch mob mentality which grew in that thread which GEP played a major role in creating.
pprune is a far nicer place again
Pace
I am really sorry to hear about the antics of your ex. Problems with matters of the heart are that we cannot see or do not want to see the reality of who we are with.
It takes a life event like the one that happened to you to see someone in their true colors.
Hers was to run and take what she could in the process so you are far better without someone like that!
Please look after your own interests now as people who take from you will not give a damn about you in the future.
Yes some of us come from this from a different angle for you the Weaver thread was a means of righting wrongs for me it was an in sight into the Lynch mob mentality which grew in that thread which GEP played a major role in creating.
pprune is a far nicer place again
Pace
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I was forever getting ridiculed by her with her famous quote. "charity begins at home" No matter how much money I gave her, any monies that I gave to charities was wrong in her eyes. All monies should have been diverted to her bank account. That is the same to this date. I see little point in expanding, but I can genuinely say the first or second home was never repossessed. The beauty treatments were ongoing throughout, meals out, concerts and parties continued, as did the constant comings and goings of various men.
I don't think so and it doesn't do you any favours for suggesting it. I've been there, done it and had to borrow the money for the t-shirt but writing what you have makes you no better than her. There are two sides to every story and I'm sure you are a decent bloke and I can relate in so many ways with your personal circumstances. I appreciate it must hurt like hell but the most important thing now is to move on.
I sincerely hope you get to make things up with your kids, that really is c
All the best
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Pace,
I took on board what you said, and upon reflection, I decided to delete my original post . Whilst I am still very happy to share the details of events, I felt that it was perhaps receiving a different type of attention from what my post was fundamentally designed to achieve. I can now see some focus in the right direction, but in saying that, I think that I need to adjust course once again and counteract for the other drift thrown in. I have one (1)
person in my sight from this orchestrated ghastly affair, and make no mistake, that is not the other poster that you mention. At this juncture, please lets sort the wheat from the chaff and concentrate with total focus.
I took on board what you said, and upon reflection, I decided to delete my original post . Whilst I am still very happy to share the details of events, I felt that it was perhaps receiving a different type of attention from what my post was fundamentally designed to achieve. I can now see some focus in the right direction, but in saying that, I think that I need to adjust course once again and counteract for the other drift thrown in. I have one (1)
person in my sight from this orchestrated ghastly affair, and make no mistake, that is not the other poster that you mention. At this juncture, please lets sort the wheat from the chaff and concentrate with total focus.
I hope that writing it all out helped in some small way. Perhaps you could continue to research, pull in all of the details
Sounds to me like you really need a group of close friends that you can rely on, open up to and lean against - but having trusted Mr Crellin I can understand how difficult that is going to be!
I can see you've been through a huge amount - probably the worst set of circumstances I've every heard of. Why you come across as angry towards your ex sounds justifiable to my ears, but do try to be at least civil with her for the sake of your kids. She was perhaps coping (or failing to cope) in the only way she knew how - which doesn't look edifying looking back. She might even feel guilt, but doesn't want to face it.
Don't be too worried about the voice box thing and don't give up on your wee ones. I'm sure that they are worth every effort that you have. Do you have contact with any of the rest of her family? If you can come across as humble and forgiving, and can convince some of her family as such, it can only make it easier. Make sure your ex knows you are available to baby sit when she is going out to restaurants... it sounds like you would need to start from scratch with trust (and I'm certainly not saying that is justified). If she trusts you, then it will at least make things easier.
I'll keep you in prayer.
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Pace,
I hear what you are saying, and I do understand, honestly. I myself wondered why GEP put so much effort into the Weaver thread. I came to the conclusion that whilst he was not a victim of Weavers (as I was) that he genuinely wanted to help. Believe it or not, I had a lunch meeting with 2 highly honorable and respectable PPRuNe posters back in Nov/Dec 2011 whom categorically did not trust GEP. Whilst I had no reason whatsoever for disbelieving them, I gave GEP the benefit of doubt. To this day, I still question my thoughts. 2 proven well known figures against someone who says he is what he says is.
But one has to be careful generalising. Look at the lengths I went to stop Weaver. Look at the aircraft I was retrieving from Weaver on behalf of disgruntled customers as he was threatening them. I was even going out of my way to accommodate the new ferry pilot who was collecting the aircraft for the end user of a flying doctor in Africa. People could have pointed fingers at me and wondered why I was going to such great lengths, but the truth of the matter was that I genuinely wanted to help. My outlook on life was perhaps to take a step back, but that is easier said than done. Especially in this instance.
Yes, I am now relieved that I am shot of her. The marriage was mostly down to my own stupidity having previously walked away 3 times with niggling doubts. I think the terminology is called "trapped". I was constantly receiving scan pictures through the post and being asked to help with a name. I had previously said that perhaps an abortion was better suited for everyone. I finally gave in with her constant promises. Before allowing her to move in with me it was on a condition that I would purchase her rented house so that she had security if the relationship did not work. 2 years later we married (2006) I purely offer this information with no malice but again to help other posters understand the law at my expense. The divorce petition cited the manufactured affair with ex wife. It cited that I had asked for an abortion 2 years prior to marriage ??? And it cited that I was injured in an accident and that insurers had started an investigation. Little did I know at that stage that it was Crellin who instigated it. (I should have known)
The biggest lesson to learn here is that event/s can be cited long before you even get married. Beware and take note!
Pace the hardest thing to come to terms with more so than the injury or learning to walk again etc etc etc was coming home to find a completely empty house. Whilst the locks were changed after the High Court order, she had already ransacked the house. I only had my clothes and a few books. The entire furniture, pictures, my jewellry, my private keepsakes, tools in garage absolutely everything was gone. When I challenged her for my personal belongings to be returned she said "I wanted the house to be sold, I have sold given away or thrown your belongings away because I was told that you were going to die! I'm still shocked that you didn't!" I told her that they had failed and that she should seek a refund.
Evanelpus - Your words, not mine. I do not offer any suggestions but evidence to assist others. I've moved on.
Riverrock83 - I have all my family and friends around me. (ex ex and children)
I am probably one of the most horizontal people that you could meet. She was forgiven many times but always took advantage of my nature. I am far from bitter or resentful. Up until Nov 12, I was still prepared to forgive her.
Her malice kicked in when she says that I cannot see the children and then asks a neighbour 100yds away to babysit on the condition that they will not let me see my daughter, incase I scare her. Apparently, my 1 yr old told my ex this in her own words. I speak to the children over the phone. The only time I hear from her or her solicitor is for money. One of the other big shockers to stomach was discovering that my will had been destroyed.
In my will I had my first son named from my previous marriage and my eldest daughter named from my second. I completely overlooked matters with day to day living and did not amend it to incorporate my 2 subsequent daughters. (my fault) I discovered that an application had been made for her to become sole beneficiary.
Anyway, lets drop all this and back to Crellin................
Pace,
I hear what you are saying, and I do understand, honestly. I myself wondered why GEP put so much effort into the Weaver thread. I came to the conclusion that whilst he was not a victim of Weavers (as I was) that he genuinely wanted to help. Believe it or not, I had a lunch meeting with 2 highly honorable and respectable PPRuNe posters back in Nov/Dec 2011 whom categorically did not trust GEP. Whilst I had no reason whatsoever for disbelieving them, I gave GEP the benefit of doubt. To this day, I still question my thoughts. 2 proven well known figures against someone who says he is what he says is.
But one has to be careful generalising. Look at the lengths I went to stop Weaver. Look at the aircraft I was retrieving from Weaver on behalf of disgruntled customers as he was threatening them. I was even going out of my way to accommodate the new ferry pilot who was collecting the aircraft for the end user of a flying doctor in Africa. People could have pointed fingers at me and wondered why I was going to such great lengths, but the truth of the matter was that I genuinely wanted to help. My outlook on life was perhaps to take a step back, but that is easier said than done. Especially in this instance.
Yes, I am now relieved that I am shot of her. The marriage was mostly down to my own stupidity having previously walked away 3 times with niggling doubts. I think the terminology is called "trapped". I was constantly receiving scan pictures through the post and being asked to help with a name. I had previously said that perhaps an abortion was better suited for everyone. I finally gave in with her constant promises. Before allowing her to move in with me it was on a condition that I would purchase her rented house so that she had security if the relationship did not work. 2 years later we married (2006) I purely offer this information with no malice but again to help other posters understand the law at my expense. The divorce petition cited the manufactured affair with ex wife. It cited that I had asked for an abortion 2 years prior to marriage ??? And it cited that I was injured in an accident and that insurers had started an investigation. Little did I know at that stage that it was Crellin who instigated it. (I should have known
)The biggest lesson to learn here is that event/s can be cited long before you even get married. Beware and take note!
Pace the hardest thing to come to terms with more so than the injury or learning to walk again etc etc etc was coming home to find a completely empty house. Whilst the locks were changed after the High Court order, she had already ransacked the house. I only had my clothes and a few books. The entire furniture, pictures, my jewellry, my private keepsakes, tools in garage absolutely everything was gone. When I challenged her for my personal belongings to be returned she said "I wanted the house to be sold, I have sold given away or thrown your belongings away because I was told that you were going to die! I'm still shocked that you didn't!" I told her that they had failed and that she should seek a refund.
Evanelpus - Your words, not mine. I do not offer any suggestions but evidence to assist others. I've moved on.
Riverrock83 - I have all my family and friends around me. (ex ex and children)
I am probably one of the most horizontal people that you could meet. She was forgiven many times but always took advantage of my nature. I am far from bitter or resentful. Up until Nov 12, I was still prepared to forgive her.
Her malice kicked in when she says that I cannot see the children and then asks a neighbour 100yds away to babysit on the condition that they will not let me see my daughter, incase I scare her. Apparently, my 1 yr old told my ex this in her own words. I speak to the children over the phone. The only time I hear from her or her solicitor is for money. One of the other big shockers to stomach was discovering that my will had been destroyed.
In my will I had my first son named from my previous marriage and my eldest daughter named from my second. I completely overlooked matters with day to day living and did not amend it to incorporate my 2 subsequent daughters. (my fault) I discovered that an application had been made for her to become sole beneficiary.
Anyway, lets drop all this and back to Crellin................
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Help with contacting the children
Jetblu,
If you need help with regaining contact with your children can I suggest you contact Families Need Father. The website address is www.fnf.org.uk
FNF is a charity. I'm not selling the charity's services (so please don't block my post PPRuNe Towers!) but from experience - my own included - people in the aviation industry do seem to suffer a higher than average incidence of divorce and as a result parent-child alienation.
If my post helps Jetblu or anyone else out there that needs good advice from people who have "been there, seen it, got the sticker" then all well and good. I'm happy for people to PM me for contact details.
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If you need help with regaining contact with your children can I suggest you contact Families Need Father. The website address is www.fnf.org.uk
FNF is a charity. I'm not selling the charity's services (so please don't block my post PPRuNe Towers!) but from experience - my own included - people in the aviation industry do seem to suffer a higher than average incidence of divorce and as a result parent-child alienation.
If my post helps Jetblu or anyone else out there that needs good advice from people who have "been there, seen it, got the sticker" then all well and good. I'm happy for people to PM me for contact details.
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In my will I had my first son named from my previous marriage and my eldest daughter named from my second. I completely overlooked matters with day to day living and did not amend it to incorporate my 2 subsequent daughters. (my fault) I discovered that an application had been made for her to become sole beneficiary.
My god you are a glutton for punishment. One failed marriage and being dragged through the courts like a lamb to the slaughter was enough for me! never again will I sign what has basically turned into a contract to sign half (or more) of everything you own and have created to another.
Utter madness in this day and age IMO
3 Marriages ??? When will you learn dear boy As Eddie Irvine said if it Flies, floats or Flucks rent do NOT buy!!!
I suppose you own your own aircraft too???
JetBlue
You do NOT have to marry the things
a few illusive qualities and un attainability plus a bit of commitment phobe does wonders Think rather than marrying 3 in succession you could forget the marriage thing and have 3 on the go at the same time
Then you protect yourself and keep them all guessing!Pace
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If anyone else has a similar PM's or emails which are equally bold in perhaps linking Crellin's bank account to her name I'd be very grateful for copies
I will attest though, that it a certainty that GEP was soliciting funds, which purpose was stated as being support for Jetblu's wife Hayley, and two daughters. I never had any followup as to the outcome of the contributions, other than my faith in my fellow man and pilot. I did not maintain communication with GEP, or anyone else on this subject much after the event.
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Apart from the usual if fly's floats or... its cheaper renting.
One day in the crew room waiting for the fog to clear the young first officers are discussing things as they do.
There had been a brothel raided at the weekend and they were discussing the pro and cons of renting.
The old 63 year old ex RAF squadron leader crumpled his paper and I though here we go a proper bollocking is going to ensue this should be good.
He uttered the words "you don't pay for the sex, you pay them to go away afterwards" and continued to read his paper after that bit of wisdom. It did have the effect of shutting the FO's up though.
One day in the crew room waiting for the fog to clear the young first officers are discussing things as they do.
There had been a brothel raided at the weekend and they were discussing the pro and cons of renting.
The old 63 year old ex RAF squadron leader crumpled his paper and I though here we go a proper bollocking is going to ensue this should be good.
He uttered the words "you don't pay for the sex, you pay them to go away afterwards" and continued to read his paper after that bit of wisdom. It did have the effect of shutting the FO's up though.
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For those considering renting vs buying see the following that may give some advice...
Once upon a time, a pilot asked a beautiful princess,
"Will you marry me?"............The princess said, "No!"
And the pilot lived happily ever after and flew jets all over the world and drove hot cars and chased skinny long-legged big-breasted flight attendants and hunted and fished and went to topless bars and dated women half his age and drank Captain Morgan and never heard bitching and never paid child support or alimony and kept his house and guns and ate cold leftover meals, potato chips and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was frickin' cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up........The end.
Once upon a time, a pilot asked a beautiful princess,
"Will you marry me?"............The princess said, "No!"
And the pilot lived happily ever after and flew jets all over the world and drove hot cars and chased skinny long-legged big-breasted flight attendants and hunted and fished and went to topless bars and dated women half his age and drank Captain Morgan and never heard bitching and never paid child support or alimony and kept his house and guns and ate cold leftover meals, potato chips and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was frickin' cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up........The end.
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Nigd3. Thanks.
One for the jury. This subject was touched upon within my initial post, but I will set the scene again. Admitted to hospital 02/01/12. 03/01/12 Crellin telephones and speaks with wife offering his services. (The skipper is obviously missing, being unconscious and in a coma), so the next chain of command/panel of family members thinks that this would be a good idea. Crellin is invited to my house and arrives approx 10/01/12. During his visit, he tells my family that whilst he no longer practices as a solicitor, he is nevertheless still attached to the secret services and his intelligence is that I had deliberately set light to the aircraft. Furthermore, reporters would be soon attending in their droves and that my wife and children should immediately depart to a home in USA. I understand the police were also supposed to be coming crashing through the door any moment.
(you couldn't make this up) He leaves the house with private and confidential information/Driving Licence/Passport details/my aircraft logbooks/maintenance records/laptop containing aircraft accounts, and off he departs into the moonlight with tens of thousands of pounds of my property.
Approx 4 weeks later, Crellin reports that he has broken the password code to my laptop/email account/electronic accounts, and he reports that he has found evidence that I had been having an affair with my ex wife. Family believe that this allegation is supported by email evidence. After approx 2 weeks of continuous calls to him asking him to produce the evidence, he manufactures and produces a A4 page of messages from a transexual forum.
One message purports to be my ex wife thanking me for a fun day of frolics in my aircraft and yet more fun when I brought her home for round two. (I'm a lightweight and could have only done 4 hours tops anyway
)
THE QUESTION.
We know that the document is fabricated, we know the affair didn't happen,
we know the matter of passing the manufactured document isn't criminal and we know little can be done in the civil courts. It is obvious that the document has caused life changing events...........so what would you do?
One for the jury. This subject was touched upon within my initial post, but I will set the scene again. Admitted to hospital 02/01/12. 03/01/12 Crellin telephones and speaks with wife offering his services. (The skipper is obviously missing, being unconscious and in a coma), so the next chain of command/panel of family members thinks that this would be a good idea. Crellin is invited to my house and arrives approx 10/01/12. During his visit, he tells my family that whilst he no longer practices as a solicitor, he is nevertheless still attached to the secret services and his intelligence is that I had deliberately set light to the aircraft.
Furthermore, reporters would be soon attending in their droves and that my wife and children should immediately depart to a home in USA. I understand the police were also supposed to be coming crashing through the door any moment.(you couldn't make this up) He leaves the house with private and confidential information/Driving Licence/Passport details/my aircraft logbooks/maintenance records/laptop containing aircraft accounts, and off he departs into the moonlight with tens of thousands of pounds of my property.
Approx 4 weeks later, Crellin reports that he has broken the password code to my laptop/email account/electronic accounts, and he reports that he has found evidence that I had been having an affair with my ex wife. Family believe that this allegation is supported by email evidence. After approx 2 weeks of continuous calls to him asking him to produce the evidence, he manufactures and produces a A4 page of messages from a transexual forum.
One message purports to be my ex wife thanking me for a fun day of frolics in my aircraft and yet more fun when I brought her home for round two. (I'm a lightweight and could have only done 4 hours tops anyway
)THE QUESTION.
We know that the document is fabricated, we know the affair didn't happen,
we know the matter of passing the manufactured document isn't criminal and we know little can be done in the civil courts. It is obvious that the document has caused life changing events...........so what would you do?
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so what would you do?
With the very best wishes for your complete recovery and resolution of your troubles, forgive me making 3 rather blunt suggestions:
1. I would stop writing about this on an anonymous internet forum
2. I would seek the counsel of the 2 friends you mentioned in an earlier post, whose advice you previously ignored and which proved wiser than a zillion posts here, and follow their advice this time
3. I would continue my efforts to help people, but confine them to the many ways one can help people without engaging in internet forum detective witchhunts.
brgds,
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