A fraternity...
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Can men join the BWPA? And if not, why not?
Might start up the BMPA!
Might start up the BMPA!
Too late, it already exists.................
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Regarding the post from Three Greens, don't you just love that use of the word (respectfully? ) in parentheses? Like saying "with respect", actually meaning quite the opposite!!!!! Ah, the innuendos! the double entendres, the references to boobs and willywaving, where would we be without them?
( I actually do like being around men, I am used to them. Grew some of my own.)
( I actually do like being around men, I am used to them. Grew some of my own.)
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And why should I take any notice of it if you do?
Splitting hairs is a way of describing the application of some precision, in that sense you are correct, there is a whole heap of flaky stereotyping from some posters on this thread, which I am challenging.
don't you just love that use of the word (respectfully? ) in parentheses?
My personal experience as an instructor is the same as Mary's - men think they'll be able to fly helicopters easily even when they're pretty hopeless; women think they can't do it even when they obviously can
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Ah, the innuendos! the double entendres, the references to boobs and willywaving, where would we be without them?
Haven't we established by now that gender is pretty irrelevant to piloting, and we should all get a life and stop quibbling about it...
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Well if nothing else the OP has achieved his objective.
He has reminded us that we are really all friends in this community of ours, and in so doing, some of our "old" friends on this forum have re-appeared especially some of our old girl friends. (old in the sense they have long been contibutors to PPRuNe and girl friends, well, in the sense they are girls and part of our community of friends).
It is good to read their thoughts again.
He has reminded us that we are really all friends in this community of ours, and in so doing, some of our "old" friends on this forum have re-appeared especially some of our old girl friends. (old in the sense they have long been contibutors to PPRuNe and girl friends, well, in the sense they are girls and part of our community of friends).
It is good to read their thoughts again.
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some of our "old" friends on this forum have re-appeared
I will take this opportunity to add an element to the original theme of my very first post here... Gosh I wish I had followed my host's advice, and not flown RyanAir! Never again!
I made it back to London, and will shorty go and read all of the foregoing posts I missed in this thread, during my travel from Germany. I want to be sure to be right up to date!
On about the thread drift again now, sorry for the interruption.....
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Why is it that women can say what they like about sexism & being treated as second class etc, yet men have to watch what they say for fear of being considered non PC?
Women are different to men, they always have been & no amount of "equality" is going to change that. They should be treated with the same respect as men, but no more.
If you hold a door open for a woman nowadays you get a look that says, "I can manage thank you!" If you don't, you get a look that says "Ignorant bastard!"
So, Women, get a grip, get a life, & give us a break! We are all in this together. Fraternity/community what the hell is the difference?
Women are different to men, they always have been & no amount of "equality" is going to change that. They should be treated with the same respect as men, but no more.
If you hold a door open for a woman nowadays you get a look that says, "I can manage thank you!" If you don't, you get a look that says "Ignorant bastard!"
So, Women, get a grip, get a life, & give us a break! We are all in this together. Fraternity/community what the hell is the difference?
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You can open a door for me or not, as you like; it doesn't bother me. However, I do get ever so mildly upset if I spend two hours talking about my last flight, and then you look at me in amazement and say, "Oh, do you fly then?" It's happened, I kid you not (And by the way, Whirls, it was a helicopter pilot!). And after the 10th, 20th, maybe 30th time of such a thing, is it really surprising if I get ever so slightly pissed off about it? Sorry, but I'm human and imperfect. I apologise for that, and now thanks for the welcome, but maybe I'll go back into my hole and sleep like Rip van Winkle for another few years of so.
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Did you ever think that you might just be talking to idiots, rather than jumping straight to the sexism conclusion?
Errr.... you used the word sexism, I didn't. Call it what you like. Of course I was talking to an idiot, and, like I said, you get fed up after the 30th time of something similar. Just for the record, when he saw my expression, he followed it up with, "Well, most women can't fly. I mean, my wife doesn't fly". I think it's called digging a hole and then making it deeper.
Errr.... you used the word sexism, I didn't. Call it what you like. Of course I was talking to an idiot, and, like I said, you get fed up after the 30th time of something similar. Just for the record, when he saw my expression, he followed it up with, "Well, most women can't fly. I mean, my wife doesn't fly". I think it's called digging a hole and then making it deeper.
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Well, he was an idiot.
Lots of them about.
50% of them are male and 50% of them are female.
It's quite staggering to realise that 50% of the population is below average intelligence. That's a LOT of people (a few billion) so one is bound to come across them here and there.
Lots of them about.
50% of them are male and 50% of them are female.
It's quite staggering to realise that 50% of the population is below average intelligence. That's a LOT of people (a few billion) so one is bound to come across them here and there.
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"Well, most women can't fly.
Now when I think about it, most men can't fly either.
And if I took offence when people are surprised that I can, then I would have done so many, many times over the years.
Mind you, I don't often talk about flying for two hours to non aviators, to be honest most people find it quite boring.
IO - agree about the distribution of idiots
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Whirlybird, I would suggest you spend less time talking to idiots.
Anyone who refers to "Just small planes" is no aviator for a start.
Why should it be "luckily for him"? What is lucky about it?
Or "Oh, do you fly then? Just small planes, right?"
To which the standard response is "luckily for you, size isn't everything"....
To which the standard response is "luckily for you, size isn't everything"....
Why should it be "luckily for him"? What is lucky about it?
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However, I do get ever so mildly upset if I spend two hours talking about my last flight, and then you look at me in amazement and say, "Oh, do you fly then?"
I have had a few more "exciting" flights than I would wish but never managed to talk about one of those for that long.
Personally I think it might have been a wind up - I can imagine making a similiar comment but NOT for the reasons you might imagine.
Why is it pilots have to spend their whole lives talking about flying - what is the old joke about how you spot a pilot.
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Perhaps I should have been clearer...
There was a group of us, at a helicopter weekend, ALL talking about flying, for...two hours might be a bit of an exaggeration, ok? The idiot in question was a private owner and helicopter pilot - lots of money, no brains. He singled ME out for the comment. It didn't take a degree in rocket science or logic to realise it was because I was the only woman there. He wasn't remotely surprised that the others were pilots; after all, it was a helicopter flying weekend. What else would I have been doing there?
Phew...I think I'm getting tired of this. Trust me, I was being treated differently because I was a woman. I was there; I should know. And like I said, this is far from a rare occurrence. That's all.
There was a group of us, at a helicopter weekend, ALL talking about flying, for...two hours might be a bit of an exaggeration, ok? The idiot in question was a private owner and helicopter pilot - lots of money, no brains. He singled ME out for the comment. It didn't take a degree in rocket science or logic to realise it was because I was the only woman there. He wasn't remotely surprised that the others were pilots; after all, it was a helicopter flying weekend. What else would I have been doing there?
Phew...I think I'm getting tired of this. Trust me, I was being treated differently because I was a woman. I was there; I should know. And like I said, this is far from a rare occurrence. That's all.
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but if it was a helicopter week end and you were talking (knowledgeably) about piloting then it must have been fairly obvious you were a pilot.
If, as you say, he was a pilot, then he couldnt have been completely stupid, (after all he must have passed navigation, even if you can be stupid and pass air law) so he must have been taking the p***.
Now taking the p*** is definitely not sexist. I know some girls who are able to take the p*** a lot better than most men (carefully worded as not intended to suggest that one sex is any better, or should be better, or should be presumed to be better at taking the pi**).
So, I put it to you, he was doing just that, or, if he wasnt, he thought he was being clever, which he wasnt, unless of course he was fed up with people talking about flying and happened to choose you for a dig, in which case, respectfully, perhaps the whole group should have found something more interesting to talk about (says he with far too many posts on PPrUnE).
.. and so what did you say back to him?
If, as you say, he was a pilot, then he couldnt have been completely stupid, (after all he must have passed navigation, even if you can be stupid and pass air law) so he must have been taking the p***.
Now taking the p*** is definitely not sexist. I know some girls who are able to take the p*** a lot better than most men (carefully worded as not intended to suggest that one sex is any better, or should be better, or should be presumed to be better at taking the pi**).
So, I put it to you, he was doing just that, or, if he wasnt, he thought he was being clever, which he wasnt, unless of course he was fed up with people talking about flying and happened to choose you for a dig, in which case, respectfully, perhaps the whole group should have found something more interesting to talk about (says he with far too many posts on PPrUnE).
.. and so what did you say back to him?