Olympic Airpsace Restrictions
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I have a friend who lives in Gosport who are renting their house out to the Latvian (or some such) sailing squad for the duration, and are going on holiday. They are very interested, as thanks to the visiting sailing squad, a large chunk of their mortgage will be paid off!
So, maybe that's an idea. Where could I go for two months that I could fly undisrupted, and not have to take it all as leave....I wonder if I can convince work to send me to california for the summer!
So, maybe that's an idea. Where could I go for two months that I could fly undisrupted, and not have to take it all as leave....I wonder if I can convince work to send me to california for the summer!
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The thing which is really crap is that there is no way around the restricted zone to the east, because of D138. Unless one flies a long way out over the sea. How important is the western end of D138 in reality?
I wonder how closely VFR flight plans will be monitored. If they want waypoints and times at each WP listed, that will prevent sightseeing flights. What will be the flight plan format for this?
This is pretty drastic stuff, well OTT IMHO.
all flight plans must include accurate timings and waypoints, including waypoints if leaving or entering the zone.
This is pretty drastic stuff, well OTT IMHO.
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Squawk and maintain discrete transponder code as allocated by the appropriate control authority.
Circuit flying is permitted at airfields within the Restricted Zone without the need for a flight plan provided ac squawk a discrete transponder code.
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Well there's always God's country to the North! Although getting out of London with that jackboot stamped over the airspace might make things difficult to get out of there 
Whole thing sends a clear message to me. London's closed for business at that time. Stay away.
Will we have TRAs implemented for safety & security reasons at school sports days all over the country whenever they're on? I await with trepidation.
Whole thing sends a clear message to me. London's closed for business at that time. Stay away.
Will we have TRAs implemented for safety & security reasons at school sports days all over the country whenever they're on? I await with trepidation.
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Over reaction!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't you think that you are all over reacting? The map on the website has no indication of the restrictions that will be placed within the "restricted zone".
I can assure you that the civil servants inital idea was a total air excution zone within 50 miles of the Olympic site.............. untill it was pointed out that the closure of all the London airports might effect attendance numbers!
Fortunatly more wise persons have been consulted and the Military have put in place a person who flys light aircraft and understands GA flying to moderate the antics of the Civil Service idiots.
I expect that the Restricted zone will most likely require the same sort of clearance that you would expect in class C or D airspace with the addition of a flight plan.
I can assure you that the civil servants inital idea was a total air excution zone within 50 miles of the Olympic site.............. untill it was pointed out that the closure of all the London airports might effect attendance numbers!
Fortunatly more wise persons have been consulted and the Military have put in place a person who flys light aircraft and understands GA flying to moderate the antics of the Civil Service idiots.
I expect that the Restricted zone will most likely require the same sort of clearance that you would expect in class C or D airspace with the addition of a flight plan.
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It does say no airborne flight plans, which (if the RA is treated as CAS) means no flight, VFR or IFR, unless a written flight plan is submitted.
That's what the website says, anyway.
They may well relax it later to "radio contact required" which would make sense because it would deliver the same "known traffic environment" which is all this can be possibly about anyway. They want to be able to spot unknown radar returns ASAP.
That's what the website says, anyway.
They may well relax it later to "radio contact required" which would make sense because it would deliver the same "known traffic environment" which is all this can be possibly about anyway. They want to be able to spot unknown radar returns ASAP.
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The map on the website has no indication of the restrictions that will be placed within the "restricted zone".
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Sounds as Bad as the Winter Olympic Flight Restrictions last Year in Vancouver
This was the occasion of a $900,000,000 security spendfest
Crews operating within the Restricted area were required to apply months ahead for security clearances.
A number of floatplane operations were seriously impacted because security inspection of pax was required and many of the locations did not get a staffed security post; so, had to make an intermediate landing or shut down service.
Flight schools were effectively shut down. There are a number of lawsuits filed for business losses.
Crews operating within the Restricted area were required to apply months ahead for security clearances.
A number of floatplane operations were seriously impacted because security inspection of pax was required and many of the locations did not get a staffed security post; so, had to make an intermediate landing or shut down service.
Flight schools were effectively shut down. There are a number of lawsuits filed for business losses.
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N to S transit to the east
I am not sure if I am reading the map correctly but there seems to be a piece of clean Class A (FL055+) in the middle of D138, so it looks just possible to squeeze past, along the edge of the RA. You will clip a tiny piece of D136...
There is going to be an awful lot of traffic trying to squeeze through there, at various heights up to 4300ft.
I can't see why the RA extends so far to the east. Are they using Southend to ferry a load of people?
I feel sorry for the schools in the area.
Bin Laden must be jolly pleased, to have the decadent west running around in circles like this. Thie must be the best value for money operation he has ever done.
There is going to be an awful lot of traffic trying to squeeze through there, at various heights up to 4300ft.
I can't see why the RA extends so far to the east. Are they using Southend to ferry a load of people?
I feel sorry for the schools in the area.
Bin Laden must be jolly pleased, to have the decadent west running around in circles like this. Thie must be the best value for money operation he has ever done.
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It has to be said that actually the terrorists have won. The simple threat of 'something ' happening has lead the ar$e covering beaurocrats to try and shut down the airspace!
Given that they are already warning of a 'limited service' within the restricted area it looks pretty likely that this is a very topical challenge to 'my names Dave' talk about beaurocrats killing business.
Given that they are already warning of a 'limited service' within the restricted area it looks pretty likely that this is a very topical challenge to 'my names Dave' talk about beaurocrats killing business.
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So if you are a student, reading this and training anywhere within the zone whatever happens dont plan any solo or QCX during the period of exclusion!
Do these restrictions actuallys erve any purpose?
I have always thought if you had evil intentions, from anywhere around the zone you would be over the stadium in not very many minutes - realistically is there much chance of your being intercepted and "dealt" with? I wonder?
Do these restrictions actuallys erve any purpose?
I have always thought if you had evil intentions, from anywhere around the zone you would be over the stadium in not very many minutes - realistically is there much chance of your being intercepted and "dealt" with? I wonder?
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I spoke to someone in the know about this, and "capacity restriction" was specifically mentioned. Apparently they are expecting thousands of extra flights due to rich oil barons, heads of state etc. visiting. So in other words, expect a lot of disruption.
Never seen such a bizarre overreaction to something that should be so innocuous.
Smithy
Never seen such a bizarre overreaction to something that should be so innocuous.
Smithy
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I think there is something seriously wrong when citizens are prevented from going about their legitimate business. This seems a gross over-reaction to the situation.
Perhaps we should also recall that it was, in my opinion, the actions of the western world in invading Iraq which have made the world a much more dangerous place.
I wonder how the French would have reacted to similar swathes of restricted airspace?
Perhaps we should also recall that it was, in my opinion, the actions of the western world in invading Iraq which have made the world a much more dangerous place.
I wonder how the French would have reacted to similar swathes of restricted airspace?