When would you wrest control?

[englishal]

Darn, well that told me didn't it! Enjoy yourselves chaps, no WRESTING of control amongst yourselves!

Anyway I didn't 'question' I was simply recalling various posts you made in the past, as I thought you were a CRE. Nothing wrong with being a CRE or CRI, I might do my CRI this summer, and a friend of mine is a CRI.

I would say though that if someone (I am not refering to you bose, so no need to feel the need to attack me to defend yourself....) constantly gave the impression in their online posts that they were a space shuttle pilot, who was head of the ICAO, when in fact they were no more than a PPL, then I would question their integrity, especially if they are giving 'advice' to new pilots. Bullsh*t sticks for a long time....and there are a lot of Walter Mittys in aviation.

Still never mind, Barcli can I come for a ride in your 'girly' Christen Eagle instead sometime? ....

[MIKECR]

Cheers for info. Didnt really know much about the dornier apart from a parachute club in the UK used them. I didnt realise either they had approval to carry out ratings on them. I thought these things were all east european registered. I have a friend who flew the turbolet 410 and ended up in deapest darkest Romania somewhere for the TR course. The dornier looks interesting though....and yes I imagine it would take suitable training to get the landing attitude/technique right.....as with any new aircraft type of course. Out of curiosity bose-x - how much do you charge for a rating on these things? Im assuming its all carried out in a/c too hence im thinking it may be quite expensive?? I dont imagine of course you have 'speculative' customers doing the rating just for the fun of it.

[Pace]

Fuji and Pace, I will arrange with you via PM as I think it would make an interesting human factors experiment. Al I am sorry but you don't get to question someones integrity and then come and play. And barcli, well...... We need to get red of that sexual tension first old boy...

Bose

I will sincerley look forward to meeting you and the Offer stands on the Citation as a gesture from me.
Somehow I have a feeling the Citation will be a lot easier

Pace

[S-Works]

Anyway I didn't 'question' I was simply recalling various posts you made in the past, as I thought you were a CRE

Yes Al, I am a CRE, I am also an FE and if I pass next month I will be an FIC as well. I also hold a CRI (SE/ME) and an unrestricted FI. I hold a JAR FCL CPL/IR and both JAA & FAA Class 1 medicals (issued by Flying Dutch). I also hold an FAA CPL ASES,ASEL,AMEL, Instrument.

I am Head of Training at a UK FTO & TRTO. The UK CAA obviously felt I met the requirements of the post. If you really want to know more please PM me and I will send you a copy of the approval certificate.

Of course now I am going to be accused of willy waving by answering your question.

I dont imagine of course you have 'speculative' customers doing the rating just for the fun of it.

MIKECR, yes it is all done in the aircraft with a minimum in flight time of 10hrs followed by 10hrs of line training. It is a specialised aircraft and pilots come to us for training who are going to be out flying the aircraft. There is no reason why we would not train someone who was self funding but unless you have a job to go to it probably is a lot of money to spend.

Anyway the personal attacks aside this has made for an interesting discussion with some very polarised views. So I have contacted Pace and will be taking him in the Dornier and will do an article for GA Magazine on it as a human factors experiment.

[MIKECR]

Yeah cheers I thought that was probably the case. I have a friend who's keen on doing some parachute flying if he can get it. This sort of thing would be right up his street. You need any para drop pilots at your club?

[S-Works]

Yeah cheers I thought that was probably the case. I have a friend who's keen on doing some parachute flying if he can get it. This sort of thing would be right up his street. You need any para drop pilots at your club?

We are not a club. We provide aircraft and pilots to a number of different locations. If he has 500hrs tailwheel and 1000TT with a JAA CPL/IR then get him to send me a CV.

[englishal]

The Cessna Caravan may be a better bet for your friend. Speak to GiJoe.

Bose, no need to justify, I am well aware of your experience and I believe you.

[MIKECR]

Yeah i meant club for want of a better word as presumably its para/skydive clubs here in Blighty that the aircraft are flying. The chap I refer to isnt your typical hour builder airline aspirer.....he doesnt do autopilots! He's more into GA type stuff hence I asked about the rating and also the price. He has all the tickets CPL/MEIR etc and nearly 3000 hours...mostly in SET caravan and porter. Last seen in the arse end of Asia but last I heard from him he was wanting back to UK.

[S-Works]

Mike, If he has 500 tailwheel then get him to send his CV. Can't promise anything but we have another aircraft coming on line this year that will go out on contract. Cant be guaranteed to be in the UK.

We are an AOC operator and lease aircraft and pilots into various organisations not a parachute club.

The smaller clubs often run their own aircraft, but the bigger business clubs use external providers with high performance aircraft. It is all about cycle times and max altitude!

[MIKECR]

hmmm....interesting. Sounds just the sort of thing he'd be into. I'll pass it on next time he sticks his head above radar and decides to grace us with his presence.

Oh and apologies for steering the thread away chaps! Back to taking control in emergencies and MCC CRM and all that good stuff!

[Saab Dastard]

Dear oh dear, another thread bites the dust.

You guys have to learn to get along with each other!

SD