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Got a PM off someone on my return home just now. Here it is....
The next PM from another poster was a reply to something different and ended with this,
Overall I think we do a good job here. I can take the stick that I get now and again, part of the job isn't it. When I do "Silence People" as quoted above I get jumped on from everyone who doesn't agree on here. This has happened a few times in the past and so the forum is more or less managed better by means of this, learning curve and all that. If you lot don't agree with a descision I/we make you certainly don't hold back when letting me know!!
Anyhow, I am tired now, it's been a long day and coming home to be called a Tosser deserves a ban I think........
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I think you and your train set should get a grip. You try and silence people all the time and it drives people away. I know someone hwo is writing a forum as we speak to rival this one and i cant wait!
I think you and your train set should get a grip. You try and silence people all the time and it drives people away. I know someone hwo is writing a forum as we speak to rival this one and i cant wait!
I don't know how you manage to keep up with it all but thank you for your work as overall the site is a great place.
Anyhow, I am tired now, it's been a long day and coming home to be called a Tosser deserves a ban I think........
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Has it ever been considered to have a Forum specifically for discussion of accidents and incidents? Perhaps with sub-Forums for Condolences, Fixed wing vs Rotor, ....... whatever??
Accident related threads seem to pop up in all sorts of Forums and it would be more user friendly if they were all in one "box".
I'm sure in discussing there matters our main focus is to try to learn from others mistakes and to keep ourselves informaed. This would be a whole lot easier if it was all in one place.
Probably been asked and answered before ???
Di
Accident related threads seem to pop up in all sorts of Forums and it would be more user friendly if they were all in one "box".
I'm sure in discussing there matters our main focus is to try to learn from others mistakes and to keep ourselves informaed. This would be a whole lot easier if it was all in one place.
Probably been asked and answered before ???
Di
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The idea of a separate place to post accidents has merit. It could have its own set of "guidelines" for posters, which would tend to equallize the content of posts. If posts or threads popped up elsewhere, they could be moved in to the new place if they qualified, or moved into PPRuNe's black hole if they do not!
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The idea of a separate place to post accidents has merit. It could have its own set of "guidelines" for posters, which would tend to equallize the content of posts. If posts or threads popped up elsewhere, they could be moved in to the new place if they qualified, or moved into PPRuNe's black hole if they do not!
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Had a quick look at a number of accident related threads.
Sure there are heaps on Rumours & News - about half of the current threads on Rumours & News are accident related.
But I also see in a sample of 30 accident related threads I looks at:
20 were in DG&P - General Aviation & Questions
5 were in Rotorheads
2 were in DG&P Reporting Points
2 were in Private Flying
Also, there were quite a few threads duplicated that had to be merged because they were started in different forums (another good reason for having one place for all of these)
Perhaps the MODERATOR could advise if this can be given some thought? (If this had not been already given thought in the past)
Thanks,
Di
Edited to add: I wonder how many threads are scattered around that should be in R&N also........
Sure there are heaps on Rumours & News - about half of the current threads on Rumours & News are accident related.
But I also see in a sample of 30 accident related threads I looks at:
20 were in DG&P - General Aviation & Questions
5 were in Rotorheads
2 were in DG&P Reporting Points
2 were in Private Flying
Also, there were quite a few threads duplicated that had to be merged because they were started in different forums (another good reason for having one place for all of these)
Perhaps the MODERATOR could advise if this can be given some thought? (If this had not been already given thought in the past)
Thanks,
Di
Edited to add: I wonder how many threads are scattered around that should be in R&N also........
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Got a PM off someone on my return home just now. Here it is....
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I think you and your train set should get a grip. You try and silence people all the time and it drives people away. I know someone hwo is writing a forum as we speak to rival this one and i cant wait!
Is it just me but isnt posting a private message on the forum a bit sad?
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I think you and your train set should get a grip. You try and silence people all the time and it drives people away. I know someone hwo is writing a forum as we speak to rival this one and i cant wait!
Is it just me but isnt posting a private message on the forum a bit sad?
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Anybody can set up and host another PHP-BB forum; that's the easy bit. It's been done a few times; almost nobody will go there.
Accident discussion should not be suppressed because that is how one learns. The AAIB reports come out a year later when almost everybody had forgotten about it, and by the time the text has been agreed between the various parties concerned, the report is likely to be pretty bland.
For example I can recall one fatal accident in which IMHO a major factor was really negligent engine maintenance, but the report did not blame the maintenance company at all. This helps nobody. Such companies should be named and shamed - probably by PM to avoid getting sued.
Accident discussion should not be suppressed because that is how one learns. The AAIB reports come out a year later when almost everybody had forgotten about it, and by the time the text has been agreed between the various parties concerned, the report is likely to be pretty bland.
For example I can recall one fatal accident in which IMHO a major factor was really negligent engine maintenance, but the report did not blame the maintenance company at all. This helps nobody. Such companies should be named and shamed - probably by PM to avoid getting sued.
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Really silly to say almost nobody will go there. You could have said that about this forum started?
A succesful forum is based on good admins, good mods, good atmosphere and good place to talk.
This used to be like that. Now the mods think its too big to get hurt so talk to people like ****.
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A succesful forum is based on good admins, good mods, good atmosphere and good place to talk.
This used to be like that. Now the mods think its too big to get hurt so talk to people like ****.
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Now the mods think its too big to get hurt so talk to people like ****.
The mods are volunteers though. And human too. If you talk trash to them, you can be pretty sure to be replied in kind. Or get banned altogether.
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Beıng an admınıstrator of a forum wıth only a few hundred members I fully apprecıate what the mods have to go through... I have just deleted a small portıon of a thread to prevent ıt gettıng ugly and boy am ı sufferıng !!!!
Crashes are emotıve topıcs, especıally when a fatality is ınvolved. One of the recent accıdents had a frıend of mıne kılled, ı hated the speculatıon regardıng ıt, then agaın when ıt ıs an accıdent that ıs removed from me my morbıd senses go looking for ınformatıon.
It ıs a dıffıcult tıght rope for the moderators to walk, gıve them a bıt of slack lads, they do a resonabely balanced and good job of thıs sıte and they have earned my respect.... then ı am talkıng when wearıng a moderators hat too !!
Jon
Crashes are emotıve topıcs, especıally when a fatality is ınvolved. One of the recent accıdents had a frıend of mıne kılled, ı hated the speculatıon regardıng ıt, then agaın when ıt ıs an accıdent that ıs removed from me my morbıd senses go looking for ınformatıon.
It ıs a dıffıcult tıght rope for the moderators to walk, gıve them a bıt of slack lads, they do a resonabely balanced and good job of thıs sıte and they have earned my respect.... then ı am talkıng when wearıng a moderators hat too !!
Jon
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Jonkil,
Its the attitude that starts arguments. The "you need us more than we will ever need you" stinks. You must see that.
Also i have had posts of mine deleted for just disagreeing with a mod. Thats not fair in any way shape or form.
I have been a mod of a busy forum for the last 9 years and can honestly say i have had to delet posts but always pmd the person and explained why and never had a bad attitude towards them.
Thats the difference.
Its the attitude that starts arguments. The "you need us more than we will ever need you" stinks. You must see that.
Also i have had posts of mine deleted for just disagreeing with a mod. Thats not fair in any way shape or form.
I have been a mod of a busy forum for the last 9 years and can honestly say i have had to delet posts but always pmd the person and explained why and never had a bad attitude towards them.
Thats the difference.
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Having had the odd (some very odd ) posts deleted, I just carry on.
No offence taken if my literary efforts are not up to par.
Agreed, there is a mutual dependancy, management V "audience".....apart from the advertisers, this Forum can be loosely classed as "entertainment" As such, it's not life or death,- like the Telly, -don't like what's on?- go elsewhere.
I dont think "shunts/prangs " or "bleeding hearts" would quite make the Fluffist grade as sub-fora,-perhaps that's why I am not part of the management
The Forum appears to attract a broad spectrum of personalities,all with a common interest in Aviation. The fact that the title suggests
"Exclusive Pilots' Club", is disproved as the various categories of sub-fora are perused.
Debate is usually intelligent and decorous....the Mods appear to maintain that (though some spats are quite entertaining)
Those wishing to exit , will note the door was open when they arrived.....it's still open for your departure.
bye!
) posts deleted, I just carry on.No offence taken if my literary efforts are not up to par.
Agreed, there is a mutual dependancy, management V "audience".....apart from the advertisers, this Forum can be loosely classed as "entertainment" As such, it's not life or death,- like the Telly, -don't like what's on?- go elsewhere.
I dont think "shunts/prangs " or "bleeding hearts" would quite make the Fluffist grade as sub-fora,-perhaps that's why I am not part of the management
The Forum appears to attract a broad spectrum of personalities,all with a common interest in Aviation. The fact that the title suggests
"Exclusive Pilots' Club", is disproved as the various categories of sub-fora are perused.
Debate is usually intelligent and decorous....the Mods appear to maintain that (though some spats are quite entertaining)
Those wishing to exit , will note the door was open when they arrived.....it's still open for your departure.
bye!
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My comment about nobody going there was based on a number of forums which I have seen pop up and after months nearly the only posts were from the bloke who started it, trying to get some discussion going.
I could start a pilot forum tomorrow but who would go there? And being a mod is a tricky job, with some of the abusive characters around.
On the UK GA scene you have flyer and pprune, and there is the little ukga one whose members are mostly from Cardiff and Sherburn
Then there is pplir.org which is very good but also small. I think that's about it, for mainstream GA. There is the AOPA forum (almost nobody on it), the LAA forum (slightly more busy) and doubtless more specialised ones for e.g. gliding which is a big enough scene.
The mods here (private flying) are IMHO very good. I once got banned for posting some naughty URL as a joke but that was done by the sysadmin (some nameless person somewhere behind the scenes). The mods elsewhere on pprune are pretty aggressive though.
I could start a pilot forum tomorrow but who would go there? And being a mod is a tricky job, with some of the abusive characters around.
On the UK GA scene you have flyer and pprune, and there is the little ukga one whose members are mostly from Cardiff and Sherburn
Then there is pplir.org which is very good but also small. I think that's about it, for mainstream GA. There is the AOPA forum (almost nobody on it), the LAA forum (slightly more busy) and doubtless more specialised ones for e.g. gliding which is a big enough scene.The mods here (private flying) are IMHO very good. I once got banned for posting some naughty URL as a joke but that was done by the sysadmin (some nameless person somewhere behind the scenes). The mods elsewhere on pprune are pretty aggressive though.
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Now the mods think its too big to get hurt so talk to people like ****.
The mods are volunteers though. And human too. If you talk trash to them, you can be pretty sure to be replied in kind. Or get banned altogether.
When people talk about the moderators "on this site" they should be careful not to generalise. BRL is our main moderator, and I think have a very good balance on the forum. I don't frequent the other forums here, and moderation there may be different. But there is no need to tar all moderators with the same brush. BRL's moderation is light in the extreme, which is a good thing.
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