Doncaster Sheffield - New Class D Airspace
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Doncaster Sheffield - New Class D Airspace
AIC 269 (Yellow 269) outlines new Class D airspace, a significant amount of airspace!
So this is why the Northern 1:500,000 CAA chart has been delayed....
Now all they need is for someone to change those blown 13 Amp fuses in the primary radar, the secondary radar, the ATIS machine, the ILS for runway 02, the DME..... etc, etc.
So this is why the Northern 1:500,000 CAA chart has been delayed....
Now all they need is for someone to change those blown 13 Amp fuses in the primary radar, the secondary radar, the ATIS machine, the ILS for runway 02, the DME..... etc, etc.
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A lot of people will still be using the 1/2 mill south when routing via Gamston or to Netherthorpe. It'll be interesting to see how many busts they get in the first few months.
Still, it's not likely to cause problems to their 12 IFR movements unless your unlucky.
And don't use the map provided to find your way to Waddington!
Still, it's not likely to cause problems to their 12 IFR movements unless your unlucky.
And don't use the map provided to find your way to Waddington!
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
Now all they need is for someone to change those blown 13 Amp fuses in the primary radar, the secondary radar, the ATIS machine, the ILS for runway 02, the DME..... etc, etc.
Why do they need class D for only 12 IFR per day? Surely the figure must be higher than that or DAP would never have allowed it; airfields such as Humberside, Coventry, Norwich must be busier than this.
Don't forget it can be taken away as it was with Southend, Blackpool and Prestwick.
Don't forget it can be taken away as it was with Southend, Blackpool and Prestwick.
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It's sadly true. Just have a look at their website. About 12 aircraft coming in and out every day, and this is the summer season so it appears that includes charter. Huge swathes of Class D which I can't see a single justification for.
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Heard that Peels are claiming large operating losses at Doncaster, shades of Sheffield. Barton must also be on doggy ground as Peels make it increasingly difficult and costly to operate there, prelude to close it and turn it into an shopping mall a la Sheffield?
The extensive Class D airspace requirements seems totally unjustified unless they plan to take Heathrows overflow!
How can this be justified for so few flights?
The extensive Class D airspace requirements seems totally unjustified unless they plan to take Heathrows overflow!
How can this be justified for so few flights?
I can hardly belive this - there are many airports (the ones mentioned above, plus Blackpool, Inverness, ...) which have more public transport movements that Doncaster... what criteria are being applied? This seems ridicuous to me.
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And don't use the map provided to find your way to Waddington!
And if you're flying into Doncaster on a schedule from Europe, look out for a split-arse turn and dirty dive from FL110 when you get to 6nm from the field, cos they've designed the controlled airspace in such a way that it's impossible to do normal vectoring to a left base for 20.
Amazing it got past the gatekeepers.
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bloody hell-
Well we'll have see what happens when you request a transit then...
link here to the AIC
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...8_Y_067_en.pdf
Well we'll have see what happens when you request a transit then...
link here to the AIC
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...8_Y_067_en.pdf
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I think I already know...
...since this announcement all of my flights have told me to stay South and East/North and West, I suspect they are getting practice in for saying stay clear of controlled airspace. Somebody is going to have to help me with the procedure out of Sandtoft, however...
I remember the days of flying out of Sheffield straight through the overhead of Doncaster....
I remember the days of flying out of Sheffield straight through the overhead of Doncaster....
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I won't say where I work (but several of you will know), but we've many more commercial flights than Doncaster (although not quite as many passengers).
Unit management have been working (alongside and with the support of all of the airline, commercial and the majority of based and local private operators) for a lot longer than DSA to get a much smaller Control Zone.
Although we're hopeful of getting what we've requested within 12 months, there are no guarantees, how DSA got this one through is a total and utter mystery, as has been said, there's no justification for it at all under current DAP "goalposts".
I suspect that many other ATC units are asking the same questions and thinking the same thing.
Unit management have been working (alongside and with the support of all of the airline, commercial and the majority of based and local private operators) for a lot longer than DSA to get a much smaller Control Zone.
Although we're hopeful of getting what we've requested within 12 months, there are no guarantees, how DSA got this one through is a total and utter mystery, as has been said, there's no justification for it at all under current DAP "goalposts".
I suspect that many other ATC units are asking the same questions and thinking the same thing.
From the diagram, it looks like the S/VFR routes use the 'fly on the right of a line feature' rule. All of the VRPs are at least 5nm from the airfield. These will be more than adequate for maintaining separation from inbound traffic. (Unless you plan on flying 4nm orbits, of course... 
)Are you looking at the same plan as the rest of us?
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Niknak. Go on, give us a clue as to where the next chunk of Class D is going to be, and how you got the GA contingent to back the idea, or is it just home based GA who are in favour, rather than those who may have to reroute or negotiate a transit?
or is it just home based GA who are in favour, rather than those who may have to reroute or negotiate a transit?
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Any refusal for entry/transit of Class D that you genuinely believe is unwarranted and is controlled by NATS should be reported to the NATS safet department with an explanation. This should be done for anything that may impair safety, for example a last minute refusal. Whatever may be thought such matters will be investigated and reported back. For those units that are not NATS then report to DAP in the same way. WE HAVE TO STOP THE UNNECESSARY EXCLUSIVITY and it can only be done within the rules. So everyone get reporting PLEASE!
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Lurking123 I agree that is an irresponsible suggestion and clearly made in haste BUT let us not assume it is the GA pilot who is the antagonist please. Class D is open to all unless SAFETY dictates otherwise then CAT has priority. Of course all flight could file IFR flight plans with the appropriate turning point or waypoint inside the class D!