Goodwood rip-off!!!
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Are you kidding Wombat?
The price you pay for something is rarely linked to what it's worth to you!
That kind of black and white statement avoids the point entirely. My willingness to pay £1.30 for a litre of diesel in no way represents what I think that litre is worth. I have no choice but to pay whatever they charge.
The price you pay for something is rarely linked to what it's worth to you!
That kind of black and white statement avoids the point entirely. My willingness to pay £1.30 for a litre of diesel in no way represents what I think that litre is worth. I have no choice but to pay whatever they charge.
You do have a choice about paying £1.30 for diesel. You can choose not to buy diesel. The fact that you continue to buy it means that it's worth it to you, and that you prefer it to the alternative, which is not driving so much.
Example: If the price of diesel was such that it cost you twice as much to drive to work as you could earn in a day then you could give up work and be better off. In this case the price would be higher than what it was worth to you, which you would prove by refusing to buy.
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Think laterally. Take all the seats out and get in for nothing.
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The price you pay is always what it's worth to you, otherwise you won't pay it.
It may be well worth it to you to pay BA £1,000 to get to a meeting in Germany at 12 hours notice, but you may not consider the flight good value for money given that the same flight a week earlier was £250.
Moreover, value to most is a moveable feast. If you pay to watch a cricket match and England win after a close battle that runs through out the day you may well consider the price you paid for the ticket was worth it to you, but if they slaughtered the opposition after two and a quarter hours you might well not!
As it usually the case you are in a much better position to judge whether it was worth paying the price after you received the service rather than before.
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As it usually the case you are in a much better position to judge whether it was worth paying the price after you received the service rather than before.
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But in this case it seems fairly clear cut - you pay "x" and you get to land your aeroplane. You have, in advance, all the information you need in order to decide whether you think it's worth it.
Clearly you pay X to land your aircraft AND the "privilege" to fly into the show ground - other wise Goodwood would charge you the normal landing fee. (Has got me thinking whether the landing fee includes the entry fee or not this year - when I last went the entry fee was in addition to).
Once you have come out of the show ground you might or you might not decide you didnt get value for money for the extra privilege for which you paid.
As I said earlier personally I didnt think the event was worth the entry fee - but then clearly I am in a very small minority.
Poppy-cock...
I think Fuji-Abound is on the right track talking about value for money. That is the point, not whether you're forced to pay over the odds for something.
IMHO you can talk about supply and demand economics until you're blue in the face, but we all know what constitutes a rip-off. Doubling the price while your costs remain stable in order to double the profit... is greed.
I think Fuji-Abound is on the right track talking about value for money. That is the point, not whether you're forced to pay over the odds for something.
IMHO you can talk about supply and demand economics until you're blue in the face, but we all know what constitutes a rip-off. Doubling the price while your costs remain stable in order to double the profit... is greed.
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Goodwood are quite right to charge whatever they like. Everyone can choose whether to go or not. If no-one went the price would be reduced.
This is VERY simple market economics.
The choices are -
1. Don't go
2. Go by bus/train/car and pay less
3. go, but moan about how much it costs and ruin your enjoyment
4. go, and enjoy it (and maybe fill your seats, as suggested)
also maybe...
5. fly in, but take a two seater
This is VERY simple market economics.
The choices are -
1. Don't go
2. Go by bus/train/car and pay less
3. go, but moan about how much it costs and ruin your enjoyment
4. go, and enjoy it (and maybe fill your seats, as suggested)
also maybe...
5. fly in, but take a two seater
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Surely the point has been missed. Big businesses will always pay "top dollar" prices for quality corporate entertaining opportunities. The same goes for landing charges, so that they can impress their clients and potential clients by flying them into the event as well. They can set the expenses against tax, recover the VAT and get new business as well. So if Goodwood can sell all or most of the tickets and landing slots to businesses, to permit the attendance of those who don't know or care where they are so long as it is exclusive and they are plied with copious quantities of expensive food and wine, that must make good commercial sense. If, in addition, that keeps the hoi poloi (another word for those who are genuinely enthusiastic about vintage motor vehicles and aeroplanes) out, surely that makes it better still. It's what corporate entertaining is all about. Just like a test match I once attended, as the guest of a large accountancy firm. Only one other person and I ventured out onto the balcony to watch the cricket. The rest remained in the corporate hospitality suite eating and drinking. But then, why did they need to do so when the television was on in the suite and it was showing the cricket! Perhaps Goodwood needs to enhance its corporate appeal by the addition of corporate hospitality suites with close circuit televisions showing all that is going on outside, so that the guests of the big businesses don't need to drag themselves away from the food and wine to venture outside! Now do I hear someone suggesting that I might be a tad cynical?
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The show is getting bigger and better every year, this costs money, the landing charges per seat (including ticket fee) is going to reflect that. I daresay it's also a way to quelle demand as I bet there are more aircraft wanting to fly in than there are slots available.
It's possible to get in for free this year (as it is every year) courtesey of The Times Online. Ask for free tickets and you shall receive.
Complaining about trade stands etc. is just bizarre; every show of this ilk does exactly the same. Go to Hickstead yesterday - how many horse-related business do you think have trade stands around the show ground?
Personally I think it's an excellent event. I love the diversity of the machinery on display and in action, I love wondering up the hill to the rally stage and the top paddock and there's simply no other event of its type in the UK that gives you the kind of access and experience that you can get at the FoS.
It's possible to get in for free this year (as it is every year) courtesey of The Times Online. Ask for free tickets and you shall receive.
Complaining about trade stands etc. is just bizarre; every show of this ilk does exactly the same. Go to Hickstead yesterday - how many horse-related business do you think have trade stands around the show ground?
Personally I think it's an excellent event. I love the diversity of the machinery on display and in action, I love wondering up the hill to the rally stage and the top paddock and there's simply no other event of its type in the UK that gives you the kind of access and experience that you can get at the FoS.
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Was this £50/seat charge imposed last year also? I was intending on flying in with three people in a PA28 this time round, I don't think I'd get it off the ground with four on board and sufficient fuel! Did this charge include the entry into the event as well?
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We flew in for free on 1st May, 'The Ultimate Fly In'. We have since received free tickets for the F of S. Balance that out against the original post and the marketing model gets very interesting. If I use the ticket, I won't be going by air.
I don't fly in anywhere without a good idea of the landing fee. When it represents any measurable proportion (say 1/1000) of the worth of my 2 seater it's time to go elsewhere. Incidentally a 'free' landing invariably means one spends as much or more elsehow, which is as it should be, perhaps....
I don't fly in anywhere without a good idea of the landing fee. When it represents any measurable proportion (say 1/1000) of the worth of my 2 seater it's time to go elsewhere. Incidentally a 'free' landing invariably means one spends as much or more elsehow, which is as it should be, perhaps....
Also got my Free ticket for the Friday FOS, just for dropping by and landing at the May day Fly-in.
Excellent initiative by Goodwood and one that they should continue.... after all I will be spending cash at the event at the very least on Food and drink.
Unlikely that I will fly in, .......... however I will avoid the queues by Motorbike
Excellent initiative by Goodwood and one that they should continue.... after all I will be spending cash at the event at the very least on Food and drink.
Unlikely that I will fly in, .......... however I will avoid the queues by Motorbike
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Makes entertaining reading, this thread!
Of course, you don't have to attend at all, let alone in an aeroplane. I may well go but by surface transport and will remember well my first visit to the circuit.
I flew - as a passenger - in a Tiger Moth from Panshanger to the Whit Monday race meeting in '58 or 9. Fantastic value as we went dct and straight across central London except for a circuit round the Crystal Palace TV mast. No landing fee and we were straight in to the paddock and members enclosure.
Those very definitely WERE the days!
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Of course, you don't have to attend at all, let alone in an aeroplane. I may well go but by surface transport and will remember well my first visit to the circuit.
I flew - as a passenger - in a Tiger Moth from Panshanger to the Whit Monday race meeting in '58 or 9. Fantastic value as we went dct and straight across central London except for a circuit round the Crystal Palace TV mast. No landing fee and we were straight in to the paddock and members enclosure.
Those very definitely WERE the days!
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FOS is a bit over-rated IMHO, so woouldn't consider paying the inflated landing fees.
The Revival meeting on the other hand is still value for money even at the increased prices.
Incidentally, how much is it to land on the Thursday and depart on the Friday?
If Thursday fee is usual one then I think my a/c may fail to start on Thursday evening!
The Revival meeting on the other hand is still value for money even at the increased prices.
Incidentally, how much is it to land on the Thursday and depart on the Friday?
If Thursday fee is usual one then I think my a/c may fail to start on Thursday evening!