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You cannot have "A" Cooncil Attendant:
I reckon you will need at least three, if not four, to provide a seven days a week service; cover for lunch, dinner and tea breaks; cover for training courses; and cover for summer holidays.
Then they will need a "cooncil bothy": with public inquiry and booking in/out room; private "mess room" for statutory 10-minute breaks; and a toilet. All with a good view of the airfield.
I don't think you get cooncil caravans.
Of course, with just one attendant, the airfield will be "unsafe" outside the hours of 10am till noon and 1pm until 4 (Mon to Thurs) and 10-12 on Fridays. Ie closed all weekends and evenings.
Oh, sorry, that's how the professionals in HIAL run Campbeltown!!
I reckon you will need at least three, if not four, to provide a seven days a week service; cover for lunch, dinner and tea breaks; cover for training courses; and cover for summer holidays.
Then they will need a "cooncil bothy": with public inquiry and booking in/out room; private "mess room" for statutory 10-minute breaks; and a toilet. All with a good view of the airfield.
I don't think you get cooncil caravans.
Of course, with just one attendant, the airfield will be "unsafe" outside the hours of 10am till noon and 1pm until 4 (Mon to Thurs) and 10-12 on Fridays. Ie closed all weekends and evenings.
Oh, sorry, that's how the professionals in HIAL run Campbeltown!!
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Hells bells taildragger.
Perfect for the job in question.
Chances I suspect cock all.
And you cannot have a singular council employee because of "health and safety rules" you can't even work on council property solo you must have a monitor in case you have a "stroke" in the bog and pass out. I have many a time dodged the two man rule about working for the pillocks in local goverment. Still billed for two mind.
Perfect for the job in question.
Chances I suspect cock all.
And you cannot have a singular council employee because of "health and safety rules" you can't even work on council property solo you must have a monitor in case you have a "stroke" in the bog and pass out. I have many a time dodged the two man rule about working for the pillocks in local goverment. Still billed for two mind.
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Yep and you can't lift anything heavier than a bag of sugar without a risk assement. If you ask about using a fire extinguisher that is obviously heavier than a bag of sugar you are obviously a piss taking unsafe self tappering person with no daddy.
You cannot work solo under council rules. Be it having a dump or watching the grass grow very very slowly.
They actually sent an email 2 years after a delivery I did questioning the artic I unloaded which was 25 tons of salt which I did myself. The other artic at a different site was delivered by a mate. I had on my paper work that the mate was my second man and he had me as his.
ABC then tried to chase me for two years about the delivery. The logistics company had no problem telling them who the drivers were and then washed thier hands because we were through drivers force. They are still more than likely sending letters out about it but I moved house. I really didn't understand what we were ment to do about it as I was never party to the delivery contract. I was never a employee of the logistic firm. But apparently I was completely illegal off loading 25 tonnes of salt by hand. As such there is no LAW banning this but pure council policy of two men and Salt is apparently dangerous goods and requires training and certs which i didn;t have.
They had obviously never heard of opening the curtains then reversing like hell jamming the anchors on and the load sliding off the back just as you go over two breeze blocks. The side exit unloading is best not seen by the police.
You cannot work solo under council rules. Be it having a dump or watching the grass grow very very slowly.
They actually sent an email 2 years after a delivery I did questioning the artic I unloaded which was 25 tons of salt which I did myself. The other artic at a different site was delivered by a mate. I had on my paper work that the mate was my second man and he had me as his.
ABC then tried to chase me for two years about the delivery. The logistics company had no problem telling them who the drivers were and then washed thier hands because we were through drivers force. They are still more than likely sending letters out about it but I moved house. I really didn't understand what we were ment to do about it as I was never party to the delivery contract. I was never a employee of the logistic firm. But apparently I was completely illegal off loading 25 tonnes of salt by hand. As such there is no LAW banning this but pure council policy of two men and Salt is apparently dangerous goods and requires training and certs which i didn;t have.
They had obviously never heard of opening the curtains then reversing like hell jamming the anchors on and the load sliding off the back just as you go over two breeze blocks. The side exit unloading is best not seen by the police.
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Something like this and they can let people work alone and double their efficiency.
On a serious note, flying to Mull sounds like something I would like to do, and if the airfield stays open for long enough I will try to find time to do so.
Something like this and they can let people work alone and double their efficiency.
On a serious note, flying to Mull sounds like something I would like to do, and if the airfield stays open for long enough I will try to find time to do so.
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Joking aside they really can't let anyone work solo under current rules.
And all round that area is cracking to fly there are plenty more strips outside ABC's control. As soon as you get into Highland region the issues you have seen on this thread disappear which is partly the problem as 20 mins up the road from Oban you can land at Plocton with zero bollocks and an honesty box and zero crap off the help in the community trumpton fire service with a combined IQ of less than 100.
Its have a word on Frequency have a look at the wind sock and then land and piss off to the pub. Turn up then next day walk to your aircraft and fly home.
And all round that area is cracking to fly there are plenty more strips outside ABC's control. As soon as you get into Highland region the issues you have seen on this thread disappear which is partly the problem as 20 mins up the road from Oban you can land at Plocton with zero bollocks and an honesty box and zero crap off the help in the community trumpton fire service with a combined IQ of less than 100.
Its have a word on Frequency have a look at the wind sock and then land and piss off to the pub. Turn up then next day walk to your aircraft and fly home.
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i did some work for a Scottish council where i ran a stage with some local bands. i had one raised stage, a generator and a PA system.
I've done this many times and the most i had to do in private venues is maybe 15 pages of paperwork mainly copies of insurance and and proof that the gear had their PAT certificates.
for the council event the paper work totaled 1576 pages, risk assessments, fire risk assessments, current first aid certificates, proof that the riggers had the work at heights certificates, the electrical gear had the pat certificates including all the cables, i had my current public liability certificate, i had my SIA card as i would be controlling access to the sound booth, i could go on for hours on what was required.
councils do not know how to run anything that has to either make money or provide a service.
Airports should not been run by them.
the way they would man a grass strip would require 4 men plus 1 supervisor and a admin worker to produce all the paperwork they would require for landing and take off's.
and remember they would expect you to be waring the correct hi-vis vest when outside your aircraft, low and behold if you had the wrong colour or design, expect a nice £100 fine and a requirement to undergo their airport training.
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I've done this many times and the most i had to do in private venues is maybe 15 pages of paperwork mainly copies of insurance and and proof that the gear had their PAT certificates.
for the council event the paper work totaled 1576 pages, risk assessments, fire risk assessments, current first aid certificates, proof that the riggers had the work at heights certificates, the electrical gear had the pat certificates including all the cables, i had my current public liability certificate, i had my SIA card as i would be controlling access to the sound booth, i could go on for hours on what was required.
councils do not know how to run anything that has to either make money or provide a service.
Airports should not been run by them.
the way they would man a grass strip would require 4 men plus 1 supervisor and a admin worker to produce all the paperwork they would require for landing and take off's.
and remember they would expect you to be waring the correct hi-vis vest when outside your aircraft, low and behold if you had the wrong colour or design, expect a nice £100 fine and a requirement to undergo their airport training.
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Having worked on the railway, London underground and the Channel Tunnel construction, I know a bit about Health and Safety in dangerous environments. In my experience Councils don't, they know about paper.
The regulations are simple and risk management based and impose a duty of care on BOTH employer and employee to behave responsible and respectively provide and use NECESSARY safety personal protective equipment.
Contrary to the view held by many councils risk management doesn't imply the elimination of risk, merely a sensible attitude to minimising it.
The risk at Glenforsa is the same as any other grass strip i.e. small and the number of things to pay attention to are few, since the responsibility for its safe use rests with the pilot not the operator. All the operator has to do is answer questions from pilots honestly and know the length and condition of the strip, if they can observe the weather that's a help too.
The regulations are simple and risk management based and impose a duty of care on BOTH employer and employee to behave responsible and respectively provide and use NECESSARY safety personal protective equipment.
Contrary to the view held by many councils risk management doesn't imply the elimination of risk, merely a sensible attitude to minimising it.
The risk at Glenforsa is the same as any other grass strip i.e. small and the number of things to pay attention to are few, since the responsibility for its safe use rests with the pilot not the operator. All the operator has to do is answer questions from pilots honestly and know the length and condition of the strip, if they can observe the weather that's a help too.
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The risk at Glenforsa is the same as any other grass strip i.e. small and the number of things to pay attention to are few, since the responsibility for its safe use rests with the pilot not the operator. All the operator has to do is answer questions from pilots honestly and know the length and condition of the strip, if they can observe the weather that's a help too.
Having got their teeth into it, well you know the Gobment authorities, bit difficult to extract yourselves. They view it as tantamount to operating Heathrow, only thing missing are thousands of passengers, and of course, thousands of large jets. Other than that, they attempt to run it the same.
Issue is, those that wish to pop into a small grass strip, on a whim, well, not quite there yet. Last year, a friend, on landing at Perth, from Glenforsa, was asked to call the council. David had reported him for taking off without calling him up on the walkie talkie. A flagrant disregard of A/G procedures. Not joking....
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Man, there are some real glass half empty types on this thread. 
How about a bit of relief that the field stays open, and a bit of encouragement for the councillors who took that decision.
I'd hate to see the reaction if the decision had gone the other way, although I suspect that even if ABC gave away free Avgas, some on here would find reason to criticise....
How about a bit of relief that the field stays open, and a bit of encouragement for the councillors who took that decision.
I'd hate to see the reaction if the decision had gone the other way, although I suspect that even if ABC gave away free Avgas, some on here would find reason to criticise....
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How about a bit of relief that the field stays open, and a bit of encouragement for the councillors who took that decision.
10.5 million of public funds and still counting. Everyday it mounts up further, and everyday everyone pisses about the edges. You don't get it do you Scottish PPL......
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Oh, I get it OK. There are a few characters who have their own particular agenda to follow in this small part of the aviation world...
I'm just glad the council didn't spend the money on a tram network, or something equally useful, and I dont have to dodge the potholes at Oban any more now it's had a bit of investment
I'm just glad the council didn't spend the money on a tram network, or something equally useful, and I dont have to dodge the potholes at Oban any more now it's had a bit of investment
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My memory is that the RAF did the resurfacing cos they were running Hercs in and out a few years back..is that correct??
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Dear Scottish_PPL,
Let me be positive:
Here is my relieft that the sun rose today.
Here is my relief that all the cooncillors in Scotland who have power over airfields - and that amounts to a fair few airfields! - have decided not to close them.
Eh? I should thank cooncillors for keeping open a community asset that is in their care and trust? Really?
OK. I just thought keeping these airfields going was their job. You know, that day-to-day thankless task that we all do to pay the bills. The sort of thing that keeps our roads pot hole free!!
And unless we work for the banks and collect massive bonuses for **** all, we only get thanked when we do something special.
Nothing special about all this!
Let me be positive:
Here is my relieft that the sun rose today.
Here is my relief that all the cooncillors in Scotland who have power over airfields - and that amounts to a fair few airfields! - have decided not to close them.
Eh? I should thank cooncillors for keeping open a community asset that is in their care and trust? Really?
OK. I just thought keeping these airfields going was their job. You know, that day-to-day thankless task that we all do to pay the bills. The sort of thing that keeps our roads pot hole free!!
And unless we work for the banks and collect massive bonuses for **** all, we only get thanked when we do something special.
Nothing special about all this!
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Oh, I get it OK. There are a few characters who have their own particular agenda to follow in this small part of the aviation world..
I await enlightenment
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Oh, I get it OK. There are a few characters who have their own particular agenda to follow in this small part of the aviation world...
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The minutes of last week's council meeting are now available here. Not a lot of new info but it says:
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A report summarising a review carried out on the operations at Glenforsa Airfield was considered.
Decision
The Committee agreed:-
i. The recommendation at 2.1 in the report;
ii. To amend the recommendation at 2.2 in the report as follows, further analysis of the strategic and economic importance of Glenforsa airfield will require to be carried out, including consultation, prior to making a considered decision on whether model 4 could be taken forward in the long term to secure a safe and sustainable future.
iii. That a further report come to both the March Business Day and April Area Committee providing updates on progress.
Decision
The Committee agreed:-
i. The recommendation at 2.1 in the report;
ii. To amend the recommendation at 2.2 in the report as follows, further analysis of the strategic and economic importance of Glenforsa airfield will require to be carried out, including consultation, prior to making a considered decision on whether model 4 could be taken forward in the long term to secure a safe and sustainable future.
iii. That a further report come to both the March Business Day and April Area Committee providing updates on progress.