IR groundschool Distance Learning
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IR groundschool Distance Learning
We're a group of PPLs looking to add a JAR IR to our licences
The first hurdle is the written exams and to tackle this we are approaching the major groundschool providers and see whether we can strike a deal which provides us with good study material, support and class room arrangements suitable for busy professional people.
To date about 12 people from the forums have expressed a serious interest and we hope to decide where we go over the next 2 weeks.
The members of the group are from a mixed back ground PPLs to ICAO IR holders.
There is strength in numbers and this also reflected in the fact that we have so far offers of discounts between 10 and 25% on the course costs.
We will have our own support forum at the Flyer Forum pages.
If you thought about doing the IR now may well be the time to sign up.
You can contact me via PM or email me at frankvoeten (at) hotmail.com
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The first hurdle is the written exams and to tackle this we are approaching the major groundschool providers and see whether we can strike a deal which provides us with good study material, support and class room arrangements suitable for busy professional people.
To date about 12 people from the forums have expressed a serious interest and we hope to decide where we go over the next 2 weeks.
The members of the group are from a mixed back ground PPLs to ICAO IR holders.
There is strength in numbers and this also reflected in the fact that we have so far offers of discounts between 10 and 25% on the course costs.
We will have our own support forum at the Flyer Forum pages.
If you thought about doing the IR now may well be the time to sign up.
You can contact me via PM or email me at frankvoeten (at) hotmail.com
Kind regards and festive greetings
F
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I have spent the last 2 weeks reading all the posts regarding the IMCr and Ir and the EASA plans for losing national ratings.
As an IMCr with 50 or so hours of instrument time I am not keen to lose this valuable asset and I am considering the PPL/IR route and have been looking at distance learning for the IR. I am impressed by the campaign to save the IMCr or have an EASA equivalent but I am not optimistic.
Much has been said about a possible reduction in the ground school requirement for PPL doing IR ground work including info on some of the IR ground school web sites.
I am not put off the IR by the flying time or hard work, but the ground school does seem time consuming and I cant see the relevance for us of knowing the colors on a an airbus FMS.
Do you have any sense when the ground school requirements might change for us. Would seem wise to wait if something is imminent.
As an IMCr with 50 or so hours of instrument time I am not keen to lose this valuable asset and I am considering the PPL/IR route and have been looking at distance learning for the IR. I am impressed by the campaign to save the IMCr or have an EASA equivalent but I am not optimistic.
Much has been said about a possible reduction in the ground school requirement for PPL doing IR ground work including info on some of the IR ground school web sites.
I am not put off the IR by the flying time or hard work, but the ground school does seem time consuming and I cant see the relevance for us of knowing the colors on a an airbus FMS.
Do you have any sense when the ground school requirements might change for us. Would seem wise to wait if something is imminent.
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Do you have any sense when the ground school requirements might change for us. Would seem wise to wait if something is imminent.
Serious though, I know that AOPA has put a lot of work into getting revised requirements for the groundschool/written stuff and that things may well change in due course.
However looking back on the amount of time that has passed and the various options that were going to become available 'in the near future' I have decided to crack on and get it over and done with.
Most people that have done the written stuff say that it is not particularly difficult more a matter of finding the time to do it and sit the exams.
If you have an IMC and a fair few hours of logged IFR time you could consider doing the FAA IR first. The writtens for that are not difficult and as far as the flying goes, in your particular case, you would only need the 3 hours brush up before the flight test so you can get signed off and the flight test itself to get the FAA IR.
You can then do the JAR writtens and for the flying you will only have to do the 15 hours conversion before you are eligible to do the test.
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Thanks. That is also my impression re reduction in requirements. I was considering the FAA IR but I can also forsee problems with N reg and that might mean suddenly finding completed FAA IR and not able to use that either
I think I will just get on with the IR and get through the writtens.
Will look out for the any info on the best distance learning option
I think I will just get on with the IR and get through the writtens.
Will look out for the any info on the best distance learning option
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IF there are any stragglers out there thinking about doing the IR groundschool, let me know.
frankvoeten (at) hotmail.com
We are about to sign on the dotted line, most likely with CATS at Cranfield.
Their package seems to fit the bill best and at a very attractive rate.
IF there are any stragglers out there thinking about doing the IR groundschool, let me know.
frankvoeten (at) hotmail.com
We are about to sign on the dotted line, most likely with CATS at Cranfield.
Their package seems to fit the bill best and at a very attractive rate.
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We are making a decision tomorrow on who to go with - but have managed to sort out a fantastic deal with 35% discount on the course work and 30% on the manuals -anyone else want to join in - 18 of us so far. Full details at the link above.
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21 signed up so far.
Not bad considering that the average of IRs issued to PPLs has been 9 for the last 2 years.
Signing up of course is not the same as having the IR stuck onto your licence but nevertheless.........
Not bad considering that the average of IRs issued to PPLs has been 9 for the last 2 years.
Signing up of course is not the same as having the IR stuck onto your licence but nevertheless.........
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which school did you sign up for?
I signed up for a school in Bournemouth - cost wasn't an issue really - but would really welcome some people near me to form a study group, go through materials together, to help provide the motivation to get through it all !
anyone near Gatwick?
I signed up for a school in Bournemouth - cost wasn't an issue really - but would really welcome some people near me to form a study group, go through materials together, to help provide the motivation to get through it all !
anyone near Gatwick?
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Not bad considering that the average of IRs issued to PPLs has been 9 for the last 2 years.
You have done well FD.
I wonder how many of your group want to be ATPs eventually?
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I wonder how many of your group want to be ATPs eventually?
I am currently starting the D.L. IR for my JAA PPL but since I'm in Greece and cannot travel there for the exams each time I won't be joining the group
I won't go ATPL, pure PPL intentions
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I wonder how many of your group want to be ATPs eventually?
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There is an argument (which I don't really believe myself) that a "commercial" license (i.e. CPL or ATPL) will be the only way to fly IFR in Europe one day, if the airline lobby get their often expressed wishes.
This would be a seriously dire scenario which would ground the vast majority of the existing private IR (both FAA and JAA licensed) pilots, and is one reason I did the FAA CPL/IR. However I don't believe EASA would allow it to happen, and it would breach ICAO anyway.
This however is the argument in favour of doing the CPL/IR exams, and doing the extra CPL flying which is about 10-20 extra hours and is 100% VFR stuff.
The JAA ATPL is unreachable for a private pilot because it needs multi crew cockpit time, but the exams are said to be nearly identical for the CPL and for the ATPL. Only the PPL/IR exam set has a slight "discount" off the ATPL set.
Neither the CPL nor the ATPL (whether FAA or JAA) has any meaningful legal value to a private pilot in Europe, because the privileges cannot be exercised unless employed by an organisation which has an AOC. It is possible for an individual (as the business owner) to get an AOC (typically for goods/mail transport) but I don't see many openings for that.
This would be a seriously dire scenario which would ground the vast majority of the existing private IR (both FAA and JAA licensed) pilots, and is one reason I did the FAA CPL/IR. However I don't believe EASA would allow it to happen, and it would breach ICAO anyway.
This however is the argument in favour of doing the CPL/IR exams, and doing the extra CPL flying which is about 10-20 extra hours and is 100% VFR stuff.
The JAA ATPL is unreachable for a private pilot because it needs multi crew cockpit time, but the exams are said to be nearly identical for the CPL and for the ATPL. Only the PPL/IR exam set has a slight "discount" off the ATPL set.
Neither the CPL nor the ATPL (whether FAA or JAA) has any meaningful legal value to a private pilot in Europe, because the privileges cannot be exercised unless employed by an organisation which has an AOC. It is possible for an individual (as the business owner) to get an AOC (typically for goods/mail transport) but I don't see many openings for that.
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Only the PPL/IR exam set has a slight "discount" off the ATPL set
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if you sent it to me then I am afraid that my inbox is still empty. If not then you could try Frank atthe email address in his first post or me at collectivefriction [@at] gmail.com
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GTS IR Module 1
Hi all,
I am afraid I saw your posts a bit too late. I am attending the consolidation week of Module 1 next week at Bournemouth. I come from Spain and donīt even have a place to stay yet!. I wonder if any of you has got luckier and could point me out some places available. Have you organized a study group? I am up for it. Also, since my budget has gone flying
, I will be on foot. I believe is a pain in the butt getting in and out of the airport, so I will be more than happy to share costs with anybody rich enough to have a car 
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And if you see a spaniard hitching in the middle of nowhere, please, take him along, he is a nice guy
Cheers
borjaracing at ono dot com
I am afraid I saw your posts a bit too late. I am attending the consolidation week of Module 1 next week at Bournemouth. I come from Spain and donīt even have a place to stay yet!. I wonder if any of you has got luckier and could point me out some places available. Have you organized a study group? I am up for it. Also, since my budget has gone flying
, I will be on foot. I believe is a pain in the butt getting in and out of the airport, so I will be more than happy to share costs with anybody rich enough to have a car .And if you see a spaniard hitching in the middle of nowhere, please, take him along, he is a nice guy
Cheers
borjaracing at ono dot com
