ATC: Right turn in final.. for faster plane behind??
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat
Just a couple of weeks after the publication of an accident report, taking the original post at face value we have some other ATC unit doing exactly the same thing. Don't ATC read accident reports like wot pilots do then??
Originally Posted by Saab Dastard
I doubt that many pilots / ATCOs read accident reports outside of their own country.
Safety Recommendation 2007-037
The Civil Aviation Authority should amend MATS Part 1 so that, with the exception of issuing instructions to go‑around, controllers shall not issue instructions that would require an aircraft in the final stages of approaching to land to deviate from its expected flight path unless exceptional overriding safety considerations apply.
The Civil Aviation Authority should amend MATS Part 1 so that, with the exception of issuing instructions to go‑around, controllers shall not issue instructions that would require an aircraft in the final stages of approaching to land to deviate from its expected flight path unless exceptional overriding safety considerations apply.
may well be reflected in the next amendment of CAP 493 MATS Part 1, which I understand is due for publication in November 2007. As this is still several months away, it has been suggested that it should also be reflected in an ATSIN in the meanwhile.
So, encouraging news ...
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I doubt that many pilots / ATCOs read accident reports outside of their own country.
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Originally Posted by Jumbo Driver
As this is still several months away, it has been suggested that it should also be reflected in an ATSIN in the meanwhile.
Here is the ATSIN (112) which introduces the prefix "Student" and also offers guidance to ATS Units with regard to the handling of student pilots by ATC. There is also AIC 83/2007 (Pink 123) on the use of the "Student" callsign prefix, which can be viewed here (you will need a UKAIS User Name and Password - but registration is free).
CAP 413 (Radiotelephony Manual) and CAP 493 (MATS Part 1) will both be amended appropriately, in due course.
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ATC: Right turn in final .. for faster plane behind ??
Further to my previous post ... and with particular relevance to this thread ... the most significant (and welcome) change is tucked away in para 6 of ATSIN 112, which reads:
So, such a tragic incident as happened at Southend last year - or one similar to that from sternone which prompted this thread - should now be very much less likely to occur.
JD
6 Instructions to pilots on final approach
6.1 For all pilots, the final approach represents an increased period of flight deck workload. Unusual situations and emergencies during this period can be particularly demanding for the pilot.
6.2 Therefore, with the exception of instructions to go-around, instructions shall not be issued to aircraft in the final stages of approaching to land that would require it to deviate from its expected flight path unless exceptional and overriding safety considerations apply.
6.1 For all pilots, the final approach represents an increased period of flight deck workload. Unusual situations and emergencies during this period can be particularly demanding for the pilot.
6.2 Therefore, with the exception of instructions to go-around, instructions shall not be issued to aircraft in the final stages of approaching to land that would require it to deviate from its expected flight path unless exceptional and overriding safety considerations apply.
So, such a tragic incident as happened at Southend last year - or one similar to that from sternone which prompted this thread - should now be very much less likely to occur.
JD
