High Viz Jackets - Mandatory at GA Airfields?
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I've got a good idea.
Why not make aeroplanes carry flashing lights so people on foot can see them? We could also make them big so they're easy to see, and equip them with an audible warning device that makes a loud noise. We could restrict the speed at which they move on the apron as well. That should enable people to be aware of them.
CAP 642 is rightly concerned more with the danger of being run down by airside vehicular traffic.
Why not make aeroplanes carry flashing lights so people on foot can see them? We could also make them big so they're easy to see, and equip them with an audible warning device that makes a loud noise. We could restrict the speed at which they move on the apron as well. That should enable people to be aware of them.
CAP 642 is rightly concerned more with the danger of being run down by airside vehicular traffic.
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It isn't a CAA mandatory thing at GA airfields, sounds like the powers to be at Tollerton are saying that so no one gives them a hard time and blames the CAA instead. Bit sneaky.
At Booker we have one of the busiest GA ramps in the country yet we can use our own common sense and don't have to wear hi-viz jackets. So far no one has been run over, strange that!
At Booker we have one of the busiest GA ramps in the country yet we can use our own common sense and don't have to wear hi-viz jackets. So far no one has been run over, strange that!
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I really don't see an issue.
It is not hard to put on a hi-viz tabbard or jacket. It in no ways hinders your mobility.
If cost is you issue then don't but them from pilot supply stores. Go to an Army & navy type store where you wont pay the premium of "Pilot/Avaition Supplies".
Or if you are a total skin flint trawl the motorways and dual carriage ways, threre are always tabbards left on the hard shoulder by road workers. You never know you might even be able to collect enough odd shoes to make a few pairs for resale
It is not hard to put on a hi-viz tabbard or jacket. It in no ways hinders your mobility.
If cost is you issue then don't but them from pilot supply stores. Go to an Army & navy type store where you wont pay the premium of "Pilot/Avaition Supplies".
Or if you are a total skin flint trawl the motorways and dual carriage ways, threre are always tabbards left on the hard shoulder by road workers. You never know you might even be able to collect enough odd shoes to make a few pairs for resale
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I think you are missing the salient point that it's a matter of principle. It'll be hard hats next, like Bob the bloody builder.
The next phase of this will be, "it's not just for your safety but the safety of others". The poor idiot type van driver who knocks you down and has post traumatic stress disorder for the rest of his/her life. Also, think of the poor emergency walahs who might have to pick up the bits after you've passed through a rotating airscrew. Being made to feel like an irresponsible and self centred individual (not a "team" player) works amazingly efficiently these days.
I think you are missing the salient point that it's a matter of principle. It'll be hard hats next, like Bob the bloody builder.
The next phase of this will be, "it's not just for your safety but the safety of others". The poor idiot type van driver who knocks you down and has post traumatic stress disorder for the rest of his/her life. Also, think of the poor emergency walahs who might have to pick up the bits after you've passed through a rotating airscrew. Being made to feel like an irresponsible and self centred individual (not a "team" player) works amazingly efficiently these days.
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Steel toecap boots next maybe.
Once saw a chap in a microlight suit with flourescent top section told off for not wearing a hiviz vest !! (they then tried to sell him one at a vast price!)
Once saw a chap in a microlight suit with flourescent top section told off for not wearing a hiviz vest !! (they then tried to sell him one at a vast price!)
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A lot of this legislation has been introduced because of the "cover your 6 o'clock mentality" which has migrated from the USA.
That said, I really can't see the difficulty with this particular requirement, it probably stems from your inability to adapt to the real world...
See and be seen, what's the problem? 
That said, I really can't see the difficulty with this particular requirement, it probably stems from your inability to adapt to the real world...
See and be seen, what's the problem?
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Question - Why do airfields spend a lot of money on Health and Safety consultants creating missives about things like high-viz jackets.
Answer - Because its cheaper than being sued by an ambulance-chasing lawyer.........
(Now bracing myself for the inevitable backlash from all those lawyers using these activities to fund their flying habit!)
Answer - Because its cheaper than being sued by an ambulance-chasing lawyer.........
(Now bracing myself for the inevitable backlash from all those lawyers using these activities to fund their flying habit!)
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Ihave a two-tone hi-viz with some fish-net pockets (no lie). It's 3 sizes too small and i love wearing it with a pair of speedo's (nothing else). Oh apart from the stiletto's.
Give me a few minutes I will go to the apron and get ATC to take a photo so that i can post it here.
Is that normal.
Give me a few minutes I will go to the apron and get ATC to take a photo so that i can post it here.
Is that normal.
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If you can get that girl when you buy one, I'll be ordering one up right away
JamesTKirk
Perhaps you should mention that to your AME at your next medical.
If you can get that girl when you buy one, I'll be ordering one up right away
JamesTKirk
Perhaps you should mention that to your AME at your next medical.
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I luv 'em.
Just a few more weeks and I can put mine on and hide in the rape field next to my strip when the wife wants me to do something around the house.
Just a few more weeks and I can put mine on and hide in the rape field next to my strip when the wife wants me to do something around the house.
Two big dangers on GA airfields:
Propellors
Avgas
Propellors can't recognise Hi Viz jackets and are more likely to get caught up with a loose garment therefore High Viz Jacket is a Safety Hazard
Hi Viz jackets are nylon, flammable, and stick to the skin in a flash fire. They also generate static so should not be worn near Avgas. again, High Viz Jacket is a Safety Hazard
Why doesn't someone report this Safety Hazard to the HSE and get them banned from GA Airfields?
Propellors
Avgas
Propellors can't recognise Hi Viz jackets and are more likely to get caught up with a loose garment therefore High Viz Jacket is a Safety Hazard
Hi Viz jackets are nylon, flammable, and stick to the skin in a flash fire. They also generate static so should not be worn near Avgas. again, High Viz Jacket is a Safety Hazard
Why doesn't someone report this Safety Hazard to the HSE and get them banned from GA Airfields?
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About 8 years ago during a turn-around at Gatwick a BA hostess lost a bet. Her forfeit was to run around the outside of the B737 in her bra and nickers.
To her relief the skipper objected, he said she wasn't allowed to run around outside wearing only her bra and nickers. He went into the cockpit retrieved a hi-viz tabard, returned to the cabin and told her to wear the tabard whilst she ran around the aircraft in her underwear.
To her relief the skipper objected, he said she wasn't allowed to run around outside wearing only her bra and nickers. He went into the cockpit retrieved a hi-viz tabard, returned to the cabin and told her to wear the tabard whilst she ran around the aircraft in her underwear.
A ba hostess in bra and knickers.....??
Presumably the captain's action in making her wear a yellow road-digger's coat was to stop some do-gooder coming up and saying "You poor old thing - did you forget something when you left the home today?"
Only kidding - I did once know a most delightful ba #1. And when I say 'know'.........
Presumably the captain's action in making her wear a yellow road-digger's coat was to stop some do-gooder coming up and saying "You poor old thing - did you forget something when you left the home today?"
Only kidding - I did once know a most delightful ba #1. And when I say 'know'.........
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niknak
perhaps if the vests improved safety rather than a tic box mentality to safety.
Adapt to real world .........that is fine ....but only if it is sensible.
Incidence at Blackpool a few years ago, a child was nearly hit by an a/c near the refuellers hut. Result everyone had to wear Hi Vis .It would have no difference to that incident , But hey H&S guru provided solution but not to the real problem.
perhaps if the vests improved safety rather than a tic box mentality to safety.
Adapt to real world .........that is fine ....but only if it is sensible.
Incidence at Blackpool a few years ago, a child was nearly hit by an a/c near the refuellers hut. Result everyone had to wear Hi Vis .It would have no difference to that incident , But hey H&S guru provided solution but not to the real problem.
My brother was telling me a good story about a pilot colleague of his. Got off a plane in a big U.K. airport, full uniform with four gold bards but no high-viz jacket. Was immediately accosted by a member of ground staff and asked 'sir, are you flight crew or passenger' (if he was flying he had to wear it, if he was positioning as passenger he didn't).
He paused, looked dumb, and whispered "what's the right answer".
He paused, looked dumb, and whispered "what's the right answer".
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Don't know of anyone getting run over by an aircraft, but have seen plenty of reports of folk walking into props or being sucked into jets.
Simple solution - paint all a/c dayglo yellow & let the crew wear whatever!
Simple solution - paint all a/c dayglo yellow & let the crew wear whatever!