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I don't think you need worry about a committee at the aeroclub again. Indeed the aeroclub as it was will cease to exist.
I am informed that nobody has approached the administrators suggesting a rescue package under option 1. One reason being that they cannot even establish the amount of the debt, such is the mess.
However at least 4 parties have expressed an interest under option 2, to buy the assets, take over the lease and form new companies. I wish them every success.
I am informed that nobody has approached the administrators suggesting a rescue package under option 1. One reason being that they cannot even establish the amount of the debt, such is the mess.
However at least 4 parties have expressed an interest under option 2, to buy the assets, take over the lease and form new companies. I wish them every success.
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Met Office.
OK mate! - Elia Golfin's proposal which I suppose comes under option 2.
I understand this to be currently in the hands of the administrators, RMT.
jwforeman.
You obviously haven't heard!
Please read ALL the postings in this thread from No.1
Committee's - no way.
Hold Foxtrot.
Do I look like a Rupert? Maybe shouldn't have asked you that BUT, and for the record it's Roderick...
Mum was a teacher in the early 60's....
Cheers gang
MRG
Met Office.
OK mate! - Elia Golfin's proposal which I suppose comes under option 2.
I understand this to be currently in the hands of the administrators, RMT.
jwforeman.
You obviously haven't heard!
Please read ALL the postings in this thread from No.1
Committee's - no way.
Hold Foxtrot.
Do I look like a Rupert? Maybe shouldn't have asked you that BUT, and for the record it's Roderick...
Mum was a teacher in the early 60's....
Cheers gang
MRG
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noiseabatement:
Yes, I'm still 'with you'. The only time I've not been 'with you' was that time you took me jumpseat to Thailand and...... well, lets not get into that here. (you still owe me £50 by the way)
newcastlepilot:
Its been eight words in two posts, not nine.
(but I'm still not worthy of you)
topjet (Roddy):
Thanks for not only keeping us all up to date with the Elia thing, but for your obvious hard work in trying to save the club. As you are an ex committee member who, I think, feels some sort of obligation to members to do now what you couldn't do before because of these 'brick walls', you are obviously going all out to keep us all flying. I know you have devoted a lot of your own time in collating information for possible take-overs and have been very much involved in over-seas correspondence at your own expense. Your professionalism in meetings with the airpport authority was also noted when others about you lost their cool and you have tactfully shared all this information with us. I just hope all your effort has not been in vain big fella. If it all comes together there will be a lot of people due you a beer. (not me though, you still owe me a pint from 4 weeks ago according to the chart on the back of my tab packet).
urdy gurdy:
I would be obliged if you would pass on my thanks to Anth. and all his staff (Kate, Michael, Tyler, Mal, Paul, et-all) for their hard work and excellent service over recent times, this has been appreciated. Hopefully we will all enjoy more 'Glasgow Manhattans' together in times to come.
MuBeta:
Next time I ask one of your pals out for a drink, tell her to say 'OK', or 'I'd love to', or something along those lines. Thanx.
HF(A):
The "deep water" thing gave you away.
Lastly, happyeater:
Bet you never expected all this when you made that first post all those weeks ago, eh?
Yes, I'm still 'with you'. The only time I've not been 'with you' was that time you took me jumpseat to Thailand and...... well, lets not get into that here. (you still owe me £50 by the way)
newcastlepilot:
Its been eight words in two posts, not nine.
(but I'm still not worthy of you)
topjet (Roddy):
Thanks for not only keeping us all up to date with the Elia thing, but for your obvious hard work in trying to save the club. As you are an ex committee member who, I think, feels some sort of obligation to members to do now what you couldn't do before because of these 'brick walls', you are obviously going all out to keep us all flying. I know you have devoted a lot of your own time in collating information for possible take-overs and have been very much involved in over-seas correspondence at your own expense. Your professionalism in meetings with the airpport authority was also noted when others about you lost their cool and you have tactfully shared all this information with us. I just hope all your effort has not been in vain big fella. If it all comes together there will be a lot of people due you a beer. (not me though, you still owe me a pint from 4 weeks ago according to the chart on the back of my tab packet).
urdy gurdy:
I would be obliged if you would pass on my thanks to Anth. and all his staff (Kate, Michael, Tyler, Mal, Paul, et-all) for their hard work and excellent service over recent times, this has been appreciated. Hopefully we will all enjoy more 'Glasgow Manhattans' together in times to come.
MuBeta:
Next time I ask one of your pals out for a drink, tell her to say 'OK', or 'I'd love to', or something along those lines. Thanx.
HF(A):
The "deep water" thing gave you away.
Lastly, happyeater:
Bet you never expected all this when you made that first post all those weeks ago, eh?
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Hey,
I don't want to be the cause of unwanted speculation or rumors, but I could swear one of Newcastles (old?) planes just flew over my house. I didn't get a chance to see the regestration, but it looked like one of them..............probably not!
John.
I don't want to be the cause of unwanted speculation or rumors, but I could swear one of Newcastles (old?) planes just flew over my house. I didn't get a chance to see the regestration, but it looked like one of them..............probably not!
John.
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definitely no school aircraft flying, but several private aircraft N95TA, Jet Provost G AY and G BH the PA 28 from Northumbria, have all been up today.
Sorry
definitely no school aircraft flying, but several private aircraft N95TA, Jet Provost G AY and G BH the PA 28 from Northumbria, have all been up today.
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Ladies/Gentleman
Bigstu.
Thank you for those kind words of support.
Yes, it has been a difficult time recently, negotiating with the correct people, long phone calls overseas, long dialogue with RMT etc but for doing this I ask for no thanks.
Yes, I do feel I should do what I can to save the club and believe me - I will squash any of the slugs on the way that hindered my work whilst serving on the committee. Constructive criticism I can accept but not the innuendo and utter piffle that was thrown in my direction. A PPRUNER once said to me that he didn't think I was doing a good job on the committee, so after taking stock I resigned for other reasons but that was a contributary factor. Since then this particular person has been extremely straight and frank with me about how things were badly run and I have only 100% respect for him. I told him what I have told all of you - others outside still tried to run our club.
While serving we were constantly hindered by an ex chairman who simply thought he had a god given right to still run a club in which his actions played a major part in it's demise, he simply would not let go and even to this day he skulks around perveying his self centred arrogance to those who care to listen.
If this man is questioned by any authority over his actions and the truth be known then I will feel very happy indeed.
I strongly believe that justice will be done and all the individuals who thought they were untouchable will sink with the flotsam and jetsam that surround them.
I sincerely hope that Elia Golfin's proposal gets the nod, it will annoy others if it does but only true, loyal and honest members would wish him success.
Thanks
MRG
Bigstu.
Thank you for those kind words of support.
Yes, it has been a difficult time recently, negotiating with the correct people, long phone calls overseas, long dialogue with RMT etc but for doing this I ask for no thanks.
Yes, I do feel I should do what I can to save the club and believe me - I will squash any of the slugs on the way that hindered my work whilst serving on the committee. Constructive criticism I can accept but not the innuendo and utter piffle that was thrown in my direction. A PPRUNER once said to me that he didn't think I was doing a good job on the committee, so after taking stock I resigned for other reasons but that was a contributary factor. Since then this particular person has been extremely straight and frank with me about how things were badly run and I have only 100% respect for him. I told him what I have told all of you - others outside still tried to run our club.
While serving we were constantly hindered by an ex chairman who simply thought he had a god given right to still run a club in which his actions played a major part in it's demise, he simply would not let go and even to this day he skulks around perveying his self centred arrogance to those who care to listen.
If this man is questioned by any authority over his actions and the truth be known then I will feel very happy indeed.
I strongly believe that justice will be done and all the individuals who thought they were untouchable will sink with the flotsam and jetsam that surround them.
I sincerely hope that Elia Golfin's proposal gets the nod, it will annoy others if it does but only true, loyal and honest members would wish him success.
Thanks
MRG
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Think you'll find that the GBMUT action was from a couple of their group who were nearly killed because the engineer put the bolt in the wrong way round on the nose grear, didnt check cycle the gear and didnt't connect the ASI proerly after servicing. SB thought it was an assasination plot!
See AAIB report for further info, but you could seee why they might want to sue aero engineering!
See AAIB report for further info, but you could seee why they might want to sue aero engineering!
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Pretty certain only one of the original GBMUT group invovled in the N96TA group.
Perhaps Noise should contact Sir J of the yard in person for his comments!!!
We'll organise a club visit to Belmarsh afterwards!!!
Maybe Sir J would even lend us his A/C for the trip?
Perhaps Noise should contact Sir J of the yard in person for his comments!!!
We'll organise a club visit to Belmarsh afterwards!!!
Maybe Sir J would even lend us his A/C for the trip?
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Any truth in the following re the above
"it was leased to the club for training "
Comments ?..................
That is why it is on the field ..
Roger that "Roddy " !!!!
"it was leased to the club for training "
Comments ?..................
That is why it is on the field ..
Roger that "Roddy " !!!!
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GBMUT no longer on the field, taken away by salvage experts to the South somewhere for re-furbishment after the gear up landing last year.
SB = Special Branch
Not sure whether legal action ever went ahead, or whether settlement was made by aero-engineering insurers, but legal action was threatened, by Sir J and GP I think.
Engineer at the time was Paul (cant) remember his surname might have been Thompson.
Don't think GBMUT was ever leased out for training, but I think it was often loaned to club instructors to renew ratings.
GBMUT no longer on the field, taken away by salvage experts to the South somewhere for re-furbishment after the gear up landing last year.
SB = Special Branch
Not sure whether legal action ever went ahead, or whether settlement was made by aero-engineering insurers, but legal action was threatened, by Sir J and GP I think.
Engineer at the time was Paul (cant) remember his surname might have been Thompson.
Don't think GBMUT was ever leased out for training, but I think it was often loaned to club instructors to renew ratings.
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Apparently KLs PhD was in organic chemistry, where he developed a process for modiying Avgas into Avtur.
Almost certainly he will have been filling up the JP from the club bouser then as well as making the aero club pay the landing fees.
Well that accounts for the 200K debt then!!! Phew glad we sorted that one out.
After the windmill was destroyed, Snowball was no longer to be found and Napoleon was seen to be drinking in the farmers dining room with his pretorian guard of pigs around him. Meanwhile the other animals froze outside. It was obvious that Snowball had been the enemy within all the time.
So all animals are equal, but ...some are more equal than others.
Shortly afterwards the Jolly Green Giant from Florida turned up, waved his magic wand, and drew out his big fat cheque book and everything was fixed in a puff of smoke. All the members of the aero club made friends again and became one big happy family, living happily ever after.
Almost certainly he will have been filling up the JP from the club bouser then as well as making the aero club pay the landing fees.
Well that accounts for the 200K debt then!!! Phew glad we sorted that one out.
After the windmill was destroyed, Snowball was no longer to be found and Napoleon was seen to be drinking in the farmers dining room with his pretorian guard of pigs around him. Meanwhile the other animals froze outside. It was obvious that Snowball had been the enemy within all the time.
So all animals are equal, but ...some are more equal than others.
Shortly afterwards the Jolly Green Giant from Florida turned up, waved his magic wand, and drew out his big fat cheque book and everything was fixed in a puff of smoke. All the members of the aero club made friends again and became one big happy family, living happily ever after.
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Dear Members:
nacker barslob:
Don't be so pesamistic although your poetry skills are alarmingly
good!
From what I have heard Mr Golfin's proposals will be for the better of our club. As a PPRUNER quoted yesterday it will only be the nasty people who won't back a good plan quite simply because their grip on our club will be finally loosened and they will all drift off into their own cesspits.
Good Luck
BB
nacker barslob:
Don't be so pesamistic although your poetry skills are alarmingly
good!
From what I have heard Mr Golfin's proposals will be for the better of our club. As a PPRUNER quoted yesterday it will only be the nasty people who won't back a good plan quite simply because their grip on our club will be finally loosened and they will all drift off into their own cesspits.
Good Luck
BB
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Folks.
Just had the funniest telephone conversation with "noiseabatement" - he has so much information about the club from years ago when all the cockroaches started to bleed the place he doesn't know which way to turn, he;s already spoken to RMT but another call wouldn't go amiss.
Hold Fox - YES MATE, everything crossed!
Roderick is a cool middle name
Cheers
M
Just had the funniest telephone conversation with "noiseabatement" - he has so much information about the club from years ago when all the cockroaches started to bleed the place he doesn't know which way to turn, he;s already spoken to RMT but another call wouldn't go amiss.
Hold Fox - YES MATE, everything crossed!
Roderick is a cool middle name
Cheers
M
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If RMT sent out a 'synopsis update' to all members along with a 'contact us if there is anything that you would like to add' section then that may prompt additional responses?
At the meeting held on 09/12 I was sitting next to two older gents who didn't realise that they weren't attending a bog-standard AGM. They were really shocked when Mike & Linda explained the purpose of the meeting.
There will be a lot of members who don't access the internet let alone know of pprune, there must be someway letting them have their say?
PD
At the meeting held on 09/12 I was sitting next to two older gents who didn't realise that they weren't attending a bog-standard AGM. They were really shocked when Mike & Linda explained the purpose of the meeting.
There will be a lot of members who don't access the internet let alone know of pprune, there must be someway letting them have their say?
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I'm sorry to say this but the members have no say in what happens to the club under option 2. The club ceases to exist and the administrators are legally obliged to take the offer which returns the most funds to the creditors.
It will be up to the buyers of the assets and lease (with the agreement of the airport) what happens next, but neither the existing members nor any crerditors will have any claim on the new business.
It will be up to the buyers of the assets and lease (with the agreement of the airport) what happens next, but neither the existing members nor any crerditors will have any claim on the new business.
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Met office.
You are correct in what you say under section 2.
However, Elia Golfin genuinely has the members of the club at heart, it has made him sick at what has happened and how we have been treated over the years.
His ultimate goal would be to run a members club for the most important people which ARE the members, make no mistake - he wants to bring back the "feel good factor" to our club, make it THE place to fly and socialise. Of course it will be run as a business, that fact has never been hidden, perhaps if it had been run as a business in the past and not as a gravy train then we probably wouldn't be in this mess now.
AR the bar manager has just finished an in depth business plan for the social side and without the interferance of a committee & Barry Lawson it will be a winner.
Good financial planning and back up is a very important factor in a proposal of this magnitude so I would guess there would be some changes but who would mind changes to make something a success?
I haven't seen Elia's mission statement, financial statement or full business plan but parts of that have been disscussed in depth and the areas which need the most attention and the areas which need less attention.
So please don't think that if Elia Golfin is the new owner then things will drastically change, we will be flying for a rate which maybe less than what we have been used to for a while and that must be good news.
If a guy has a sound plan that will save our club then that must be good whether for business, pleasure or whatever.
A major point in this proposal was negotiating a new and on going lease with the airport, I do not know exactly what the terms are but I gather it is long term.
Mark my words, the members will be the first people Elia will discuss anything with instead of instigating something which has nobodys approval, we have seen the results of that policy.
I myself have seen over the years people come and go, people who have just got fed up with the way things were run but as we all know now, making a noise about it or writing a letter to the committee about it was a complete waste of time.
I will never forget at a monthly committee meeting a letter was read out from a member who I knew personally and was friendly with. The points made in the letter were 100% valid points which deserved a reply a certainly some points could have been followed up for the good of the club - the reply from messers Coulson, Todd, Lawson was, and I quote "file it" - that letter was taken away by ex treasurer K. Todd and never discussed again. I mentioned this to the member who said to me why do I waste my time - needless to say how correct he was.
A new owner with plans, no committee - oh how I wish.
Thanks
M
You are correct in what you say under section 2.
However, Elia Golfin genuinely has the members of the club at heart, it has made him sick at what has happened and how we have been treated over the years.
His ultimate goal would be to run a members club for the most important people which ARE the members, make no mistake - he wants to bring back the "feel good factor" to our club, make it THE place to fly and socialise. Of course it will be run as a business, that fact has never been hidden, perhaps if it had been run as a business in the past and not as a gravy train then we probably wouldn't be in this mess now.
AR the bar manager has just finished an in depth business plan for the social side and without the interferance of a committee & Barry Lawson it will be a winner.
Good financial planning and back up is a very important factor in a proposal of this magnitude so I would guess there would be some changes but who would mind changes to make something a success?
I haven't seen Elia's mission statement, financial statement or full business plan but parts of that have been disscussed in depth and the areas which need the most attention and the areas which need less attention.
So please don't think that if Elia Golfin is the new owner then things will drastically change, we will be flying for a rate which maybe less than what we have been used to for a while and that must be good news.
If a guy has a sound plan that will save our club then that must be good whether for business, pleasure or whatever.
A major point in this proposal was negotiating a new and on going lease with the airport, I do not know exactly what the terms are but I gather it is long term.
Mark my words, the members will be the first people Elia will discuss anything with instead of instigating something which has nobodys approval, we have seen the results of that policy.
I myself have seen over the years people come and go, people who have just got fed up with the way things were run but as we all know now, making a noise about it or writing a letter to the committee about it was a complete waste of time.
I will never forget at a monthly committee meeting a letter was read out from a member who I knew personally and was friendly with. The points made in the letter were 100% valid points which deserved a reply a certainly some points could have been followed up for the good of the club - the reply from messers Coulson, Todd, Lawson was, and I quote "file it" - that letter was taken away by ex treasurer K. Todd and never discussed again. I mentioned this to the member who said to me why do I waste my time - needless to say how correct he was.
A new owner with plans, no committee - oh how I wish.
Thanks
M
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The obvious reason for the lack of "new" facts is the also the source of the current predicament:--- secrecy in the management of the club over the years.
I agree that an update of the state of play by RMT would be welcomed by members.If RMT could also tell us what they have uncovered so far it could help some members recall what they may have hitherto thought to be irrelevant memories of decisions made and policies invoked by committees over the years.
I agree that an update of the state of play by RMT would be welcomed by members.If RMT could also tell us what they have uncovered so far it could help some members recall what they may have hitherto thought to be irrelevant memories of decisions made and policies invoked by committees over the years.