I shall divorce her.....
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I shall divorce her.....
Tonight I came in from work at about 7pm. I walked to the fridge, reached for a cold Carling, went to the drawing room, picked up the newspaper and opted for a quiet five minutes.
Enter her ladyship.....
Wife :"Darling, I've got something to show you that you're going to love".
Mono: "Oh, yes. What's that then darling?" (Slurp on beer)
Wife: "It's a really lovely photo"
Mono: "Oh not of the fathers race in sports day I hope?" (Slurp on beer)
Wife : "No, look at it. Isn't it great".
Mono is handed said photo.....
Mono: (choking on last slurp) "What the ****** is this?!" as he glares at the aerial shot of his house.
Wife: "Oh it was a really sweet guy who popped round and told me that he wanted to show how nice the house looks from the air so he took a photo. He said he hired a plane specially to do it and he only wanted £30".
Mono: "Did you get his number darling or a business card (Biting beer can)
Wife: "No but I asked him to take one of your parents house as the picture was so good".
Mono: "OK darling that's a really nice thought".
I dont know who you are or where you are from. If you even dare come round again I really will deposit your zoom lens where a flash is required.....
Enter her ladyship.....
Wife :"Darling, I've got something to show you that you're going to love".
Mono: "Oh, yes. What's that then darling?" (Slurp on beer)
Wife: "It's a really lovely photo"
Mono: "Oh not of the fathers race in sports day I hope?" (Slurp on beer)
Wife : "No, look at it. Isn't it great".
Mono is handed said photo.....
Mono: (choking on last slurp) "What the ****** is this?!" as he glares at the aerial shot of his house.
Wife: "Oh it was a really sweet guy who popped round and told me that he wanted to show how nice the house looks from the air so he took a photo. He said he hired a plane specially to do it and he only wanted £30".
Mono: "Did you get his number darling or a business card (Biting beer can)
Wife: "No but I asked him to take one of your parents house as the picture was so good".
Mono: "OK darling that's a really nice thought".
I dont know who you are or where you are from. If you even dare come round again I really will deposit your zoom lens where a flash is required.....
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You tight git.
Your thirthy quid goes towards keeping a fATPL holder in house and home and your wife obviously appreciates that an aerial view is beautiful and worth some money!
Just think how much cheaper an aerial picture is than a divorce, the money of which would only go to those rich legal folks.
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You tight git.
Your thirthy quid goes towards keeping a fATPL holder in house and home and your wife obviously appreciates that an aerial view is beautiful and worth some money!
Just think how much cheaper an aerial picture is than a divorce, the money of which would only go to those rich legal folks.
FD
Oh the presentations are fine, Mrs.G and I had a lovely weekend in a posh hotel for nothing last weekend in exchange for sitting through an hours sales pitch. I'm hoping to get enough of these freebies to eventually get blacklisted by the companies - but certainly not buying one.
A colleague of mine, who has his own runway once took great delight in pointing out to an aerial-photos salesman the hangar and end of the runway in the top of the photo. Then bought the picture anyway, because it was far better than any he'd taken himself.
G
A colleague of mine, who has his own runway once took great delight in pointing out to an aerial-photos salesman the hangar and end of the runway in the top of the photo. Then bought the picture anyway, because it was far better than any he'd taken himself.
G
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I bought one for the same reason - with the up and down drafts you get in a steepsided valley I've just never managed to fly low enough to get a good shot of my house. Just being able to fly doesn't mean you're a good aerial photographer, especially in the mountains.
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Gengis, glad to hear that your experience has been better than those horror stories I keep hearing.
If things become too pressured during a sales presentation, you could always try telling them that you'd love to sign up but first have to get permission from your Trustee in Bankruptcy ... that might put them off.
If things become too pressured during a sales presentation, you could always try telling them that you'd love to sign up but first have to get permission from your Trustee in Bankruptcy ... that might put them off.
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In the 25 years I've lived in this house I've had 3 blokes turn up at the door offering me photos of the house.
Two of them were brilliant and one was a bit iffy but they make an excellent photographic record of nearly a quarter of a century of our house.
During this time we've extended the house , trees have been chopped down and new ones in their place, driveways have been enlarged, houses have been built in in-fill plots next door::a real evolution.
I kinda wish , looking back that I could have had a photo every two or three years.
So/ you sad git, think forwards, buy the photo and do the same every few years and get a permanent living record of 'down your way'.
And keep a pilot in work.
Edit: Oh and I forgot to say the photos are light years ahead of any sad efforts I've tried to take from 1500 ft overhead.
Two of them were brilliant and one was a bit iffy but they make an excellent photographic record of nearly a quarter of a century of our house.
During this time we've extended the house , trees have been chopped down and new ones in their place, driveways have been enlarged, houses have been built in in-fill plots next door::a real evolution.
I kinda wish , looking back that I could have had a photo every two or three years.
So/ you sad git, think forwards, buy the photo and do the same every few years and get a permanent living record of 'down your way'.
And keep a pilot in work.
Edit: Oh and I forgot to say the photos are light years ahead of any sad efforts I've tried to take from 1500 ft overhead.
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From the report, the Tornado was doing "IAS of 434 kt". I don't think that an incoming projectile with the frontal area of a Tornado would have been visible to the Cessna pilot, so whether he was taking pictures at the time is IMHO immaterial.
In reality this could happen to anybody. A 100kt plane with a human observer in it cannot take avoiding action in time against another one, head-on, doing 400kt. It was the Tornado pilot's fault, if anybody's.
So this example proves exactly nothing at all.
As for taking pictures while flying, I once filmed the entire coast of Spain from Malaga to Alicante while flying alone (on autopilot). Perfectly safe. I could have stuck the camera onto the window with suction cups.
From the report, the Tornado was doing "IAS of 434 kt". I don't think that an incoming projectile with the frontal area of a Tornado would have been visible to the Cessna pilot, so whether he was taking pictures at the time is IMHO immaterial.
In reality this could happen to anybody. A 100kt plane with a human observer in it cannot take avoiding action in time against another one, head-on, doing 400kt. It was the Tornado pilot's fault, if anybody's.
So this example proves exactly nothing at all.
As for taking pictures while flying, I once filmed the entire coast of Spain from Malaga to Alicante while flying alone (on autopilot). Perfectly safe. I could have stuck the camera onto the window with suction cups.
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This is a well-known case. He had been recorded aparently flying illegally low in the past. he had just been banned from one club, this was his first flight as PIC from his new club. He had almost certainly been taking photographs while at the controls, as the only pilot, seriously degrading his flying. He was doing aerial work without a CPL. He was operating at low level in an area where a lot of fast movers fly at low level. He did not request a FIS, though he had been briefed that one was available. These circumstances killed not only him but the two crew of a Tornado.
If you take the occasional photo, fine, although filming a whole coast I suspect you degraded your lookout. Fly low if you need, or even for fun. Don't do both together. If you are flying low you should be doing nothing but looking out of the window, and occasionally glancing at the engine instruments and DI if necessary. It's a dangerous environment, especially in a low-level corridor.
I am not sure how you blame it on the Tornado crew, operating legally and in compliance with normal aviation practice. He was not doing so.
This is a well-known case. He had been recorded aparently flying illegally low in the past. he had just been banned from one club, this was his first flight as PIC from his new club. He had almost certainly been taking photographs while at the controls, as the only pilot, seriously degrading his flying. He was doing aerial work without a CPL. He was operating at low level in an area where a lot of fast movers fly at low level. He did not request a FIS, though he had been briefed that one was available. These circumstances killed not only him but the two crew of a Tornado.
If you take the occasional photo, fine, although filming a whole coast I suspect you degraded your lookout. Fly low if you need, or even for fun. Don't do both together. If you are flying low you should be doing nothing but looking out of the window, and occasionally glancing at the engine instruments and DI if necessary. It's a dangerous environment, especially in a low-level corridor.
I am not sure how you blame it on the Tornado crew, operating legally and in compliance with normal aviation practice. He was not doing so.
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IO540, I think some others have summed it up quite nicely:
Hanging out of the window taking photos of the ground is, at best, bad airmanship. At worst, you are breaking the most fundamental Rule of the Air.
Hanging out of the window taking photos of the ground is, at best, bad airmanship. At worst, you are breaking the most fundamental Rule of the Air.
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Hanging out of the window taking photos of the ground is, at best, bad airmanship. At worst, you are breaking the most fundamental Rule of the Air.
As long as one is not flying low in busy airspace and spending minutes setting up a shot then where is the problem?
Do you ever look at ground fetures to check your position, ie. map to ground and ground to map possibily for a minute or so you have not looked for traffic.
Why do some of you winge moan and quote rules every time someone does anything other than fly A - B at 2000 ft
Taking photos (usually very bad ones) of friends property etc, is a nice thing to do and people like to see their home from the air.
Most people will still buy a good one anyway, I have.
Tony
With regard to your comment about not spotting other traffic because it is too fast, sorry but it is not true, unless you don't look out, in which case relative speed is largely irrelevant.
At a closing speed of 7.5 nautical miles per minute, the Tornado would have been about a mile away just 8 seconds from impact. A Tornado head-on at a mile has an angular size of about 1/1000: in other words it's like trying to spot a stationary penny from about 30 ft away.
The biggest threat to GA is from tabloid-readers who have no understanding of risk and its implications for transport safety. The second biggest threat is from pilots who believe they are superhuman, and will continue to protest that they are superhuman all the way up to the point that their rights to fly are finally taken away by regulators who realise that they are not.
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If you are that worried about midairs, then please do yourself a favour and stop flying.
How many midairs per 1000 crashes?
I enjoy looking at the ground, its how I fly when I fly the Rallye, no GPS, just Roads (and the odd road sign), Roundabouts, Rivers, Railways and all that.
Do you never look at the ground?
If you are unluckey enough to have a 500 knot jet on the nose your F....d anyway. And if he is up your arse what are you going to see.
Sorry about this thread Mono, but, back to the wife. The alternative would probibly be worse, so you might as well keep her and like the rest of us just keep on saying YES DEAR.
The Sun has just come out so I'm off flying.
Tony
If you are that worried about midairs, then please do yourself a favour and stop flying.
How many midairs per 1000 crashes?
I enjoy looking at the ground, its how I fly when I fly the Rallye, no GPS, just Roads (and the odd road sign), Roundabouts, Rivers, Railways and all that.
Do you never look at the ground?
If you are unluckey enough to have a 500 knot jet on the nose your F....d anyway. And if he is up your arse what are you going to see.
Sorry about this thread Mono, but, back to the wife. The alternative would probibly be worse, so you might as well keep her and like the rest of us just keep on saying YES DEAR.
The Sun has just come out so I'm off flying.
Tony
I think, without wishing to get drawn into too deep, that there's a difference between an approach to flying which mitigates risk as far as is possible, and wanton risk-taking - no prizes for guessing which side of the fence I think the gent in the Cessane falls on.
Given that, I think Tony R's comments are unwarranted.
Anyhow Mono - I'm still expecting my first engine failure - respect for getting it down and living to tell the tale.
Given that, I think Tony R's comments are unwarranted.
Anyhow Mono - I'm still expecting my first engine failure - respect for getting it down and living to tell the tale.
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Don't be so tense, chaps. Check Tony's posts here and you'll see that he's also a pilot of long and varied experience, and he's not advocating reckless photo-flying such as that which led to the demise of the Cessna bloke and two unlucky Tornado guys. Anyway, you are missing the serious points in this thread, which are:
(1) Monocock almost cashed his chips this week but survived the pilot's worst nightmare, an EFATO, so well done him;
and, even worse,
(2) his missus is spending his lordly inheritance on mere baubles and frippery. Alas, for the demise of the landed gentry!
(1) Monocock almost cashed his chips this week but survived the pilot's worst nightmare, an EFATO, so well done him;
and, even worse,
(2) his missus is spending his lordly inheritance on mere baubles and frippery. Alas, for the demise of the landed gentry!