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2Donks, then start an interesting thread about the subject then if you feel like it. Just don't use this one which is about watches not quality of mags.
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Who will spare me from this turbulent moderator?
The thread has not been hijacked. It has gone off at slight, but more interesting tangent. This is how conversation works in real life and is one of reasons that pprune is such a good site. When the thread gets boring, people will stop reading and it will die its own little death. It doesn't need intervention from any control freaks who think they know best.
If the original poster wants to put a reply asking people to get back to his topic, then fair enough. (Although what more can be said I don't know).
Yellow card indeed.
Now about that crap magazine....
The thread has not been hijacked. It has gone off at slight, but more interesting tangent. This is how conversation works in real life and is one of reasons that pprune is such a good site. When the thread gets boring, people will stop reading and it will die its own little death. It doesn't need intervention from any control freaks who think they know best.
If the original poster wants to put a reply asking people to get back to his topic, then fair enough. (Although what more can be said I don't know).
Yellow card indeed.
Now about that crap magazine....
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A reader did send me a email regarding the watch. I posted the remarks on page 1 of the thread.
I've also ordered another 200 watches - that's 420 in total.
If you need a watch it's a good offer. If you don't it's not. It isn't an act of desperation - it's an act of taking advantage of a great deal when it was presented. As I said earlier - Pilot doesn't need to gift subscriptions but this was too good to miss. No apologies for that!
As for comments about the mag - I prefer to hold focus groups and chat to people at clubs/events to find out views. It's more personable and easier to communicate those types of views one on one or in a group than via the written word from your home or office. I don't dismiss the comments but I would like to explore them further. Im at all the events (FLY/Aerofair/GVFW/PFA/PFA Scotland/Old Buckenham) and would love it if people came and gave feedback there.
I dread to think what new avaitors might think from reading this thread!
Please don't take that as dismissing your views - I value them- but I would like to explore them in more detail - Including the positive ones.
It's very subjective. Sometimes it can be very easy to think that the good old days were much better but having been down to the vaults and gone through copies from 1971 onwards I can't see it.
There are some real classic issues (YAK 18T on the front - 2001) is one of my favourites but when you go through them on mass I have to say that on balance I prefer Pilot as it is now. The Nanchang edition is a classic.
In the end we (magazines) either listen or die. Those that feel the need for improvement - please email me or call me. Maybe we could set up a Ppruners focus group?
I've also ordered another 200 watches - that's 420 in total.
If you need a watch it's a good offer. If you don't it's not. It isn't an act of desperation - it's an act of taking advantage of a great deal when it was presented. As I said earlier - Pilot doesn't need to gift subscriptions but this was too good to miss. No apologies for that!
As for comments about the mag - I prefer to hold focus groups and chat to people at clubs/events to find out views. It's more personable and easier to communicate those types of views one on one or in a group than via the written word from your home or office. I don't dismiss the comments but I would like to explore them further. Im at all the events (FLY/Aerofair/GVFW/PFA/PFA Scotland/Old Buckenham) and would love it if people came and gave feedback there.
I dread to think what new avaitors might think from reading this thread!
Please don't take that as dismissing your views - I value them- but I would like to explore them in more detail - Including the positive ones.
It's very subjective. Sometimes it can be very easy to think that the good old days were much better but having been down to the vaults and gone through copies from 1971 onwards I can't see it.
There are some real classic issues (YAK 18T on the front - 2001) is one of my favourites but when you go through them on mass I have to say that on balance I prefer Pilot as it is now. The Nanchang edition is a classic.
In the end we (magazines) either listen or die. Those that feel the need for improvement - please email me or call me. Maybe we could set up a Ppruners focus group?
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It's very subjective. Sometimes it can be very easy to think that the good old days were much better but having been down to the vaults and gone through copies from 1971 onwards I can't see it.
But there was excellent writing, and a high level of accuracy. Just to take one example, compare some of the old articles on short-field landings (by Alan Bramson and, I think, Neil Williams) with the rubbish that was published recently.
Alan Bramson's flight tests may have been a bit formulaic, but he'd clearly usually done more than just have a 30 minute jolly with the owner or test pilot, which seems often to be the case nowadays. The flight tests by Bob Grimstead are usually informative, but some of the others are dire. (To be fair, Pilot isn't the only offender here.)
Look back in your archives at the articles by Stephen Wilkinson, Bernard Chabbert (I hear a rumour that he may write for you again? Good news if true), Brian Lecomber, John Templeton Smith (much better at magazine articles than at thrillers), Neil Williams, James Gilbert.... You will have to admit that those "good old days" were better than today, and you may even feel that you could fill a few pages each month by re-printing classic articles from the past!
In order not to upset our moderator, can you tell me if the hands on the watch glow in the dark?
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I am sure they're great pilots but are there enough of them in the UK to support a printed magazine?
As I often rant on elsewhere, the whole GA scene in the UK is gradually going down the pan. Unless you are happy to see it degenerate to farm strip based operators only (which many people possibly are, having got their PPLs already), it cannot be sustained on the current declining trends. The magazines are still the highest profile pushers in this game (very very tiny % of UK pilots ever read the stuff here) so they ought to lead some sort of modernisation.
Modern planes, modern avionics, modern nav methods...
I am sure they're great pilots but are there enough of them in the UK to support a printed magazine?
As I often rant on elsewhere, the whole GA scene in the UK is gradually going down the pan. Unless you are happy to see it degenerate to farm strip based operators only (which many people possibly are, having got their PPLs already), it cannot be sustained on the current declining trends. The magazines are still the highest profile pushers in this game (very very tiny % of UK pilots ever read the stuff here) so they ought to lead some sort of modernisation.
Modern planes, modern avionics, modern nav methods...
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Pilot's short field landings piece
Three postings - haven't counted how many are from the same poster - criticise the short landings article. Just for the record, I edited it, and have operated a Pitts Special, J-3 Cub, Stampe and Tipsy Nipper from a 300-yard hillside strip for the last 18 years in all weathers, so perhaps I do know something about the subject. It was written primarily by James Allan. I showed it to several very experienced pilots for their comments, criticisms and corrections. This was a group effort from aviators with thousands of hours real hands-on experience, and a fine article, not 'rubbish'.
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For crying out loud chaps, just rein back will you? This whole thread is becoming ridiculous. Not only is it darting from subject to subject but it also seems to be bringing out the worst in everyone.
Strafer........your comments are pathetic. Nick Bloom wrote what I consider as an excellent article on short field techniques and if you applied some of what he said you wouldn't be requesting what you are in another thread.
The trouble with these forums is it gives everyone the chance to be anonomously vindictive and over "clever". If Pilot wishes to introduce a marketing scheme for its business then who are we to :
a. Criticize
b. Look a gift horse in the mouth.
c. Tell them how to carry out their business.
If you don't want the watch then bloody well give it to someone else. I don't know how many of the vindictive posters on this thread have their own business but I know that if they did, they wouldn't be so damn scathing about what Pilot are doing by making the offer.
If a newby entered this thread he would leave without a trace. Is that what we really want?
I started on this forum about four years ago (admittedly under a different guise) and it was a great place to come to of an evening. Full of friendly people giving helpful and witty advice. It now appears to be nothing but a gallows area for people who say the wrong thing at the wrong time.
I might annoy some for speaking my mind. Quite honestly, I don't give a
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BRL, can I suggest you freeze this thread before it gets out of hand.
Strafer........your comments are pathetic. Nick Bloom wrote what I consider as an excellent article on short field techniques and if you applied some of what he said you wouldn't be requesting what you are in another thread.
The trouble with these forums is it gives everyone the chance to be anonomously vindictive and over "clever". If Pilot wishes to introduce a marketing scheme for its business then who are we to :
a. Criticize
b. Look a gift horse in the mouth.
c. Tell them how to carry out their business.
If you don't want the watch then bloody well give it to someone else. I don't know how many of the vindictive posters on this thread have their own business but I know that if they did, they wouldn't be so damn scathing about what Pilot are doing by making the offer.
If a newby entered this thread he would leave without a trace. Is that what we really want?
I started on this forum about four years ago (admittedly under a different guise) and it was a great place to come to of an evening. Full of friendly people giving helpful and witty advice. It now appears to be nothing but a gallows area for people who say the wrong thing at the wrong time.
I might annoy some for speaking my mind. Quite honestly, I don't give a
.BRL, can I suggest you freeze this thread before it gets out of hand.
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Come on
You have had your say and others should have the same opportunity as you. They may be unreasonable, they may be making comments which are based on nothing other than prejudice. Ultimately the public view of a magazine is reflected in its circulation which is reflected in its advertising revenue, which is reflected in whether it goes bust or not. The only thing the posters here appear to have done wrong is to post in a thread which the moderator wishes to keep on the topic of watches and off the topic of magazines.
This subject raises its head every now and again and some posters make worthwhile comments. If it lets off a bit of steam then everyone continues to purchase whichever mag they want what is the problem other than Sam and others getting piXXed off (including me getting in a similar state in the past).
The fact that Nick Blooms piece was criticised then praised only demonstrates that some people can see the value of good advice and others can't. That I am afraid is the way of the world. We all have different knowledge levels and most of us think we know it all. The real experts are those who know that they dont know it all and I firmly put myself in the category of not knowing enough. I don't recall any flying article publishing advice which was as dangerous as the walking magazine which printed a walk which went over a cliff!.
Still haven't seen much about that bloody watch though!. And I can't offer any comments as I was shown one briefly but have since been unable to get my hands on one. Maybe I can convince Sam to lend me one and I will write a review of it here (STRONG HINT).
Come on
You have had your say and others should have the same opportunity as you. They may be unreasonable, they may be making comments which are based on nothing other than prejudice. Ultimately the public view of a magazine is reflected in its circulation which is reflected in its advertising revenue, which is reflected in whether it goes bust or not. The only thing the posters here appear to have done wrong is to post in a thread which the moderator wishes to keep on the topic of watches and off the topic of magazines.
This subject raises its head every now and again and some posters make worthwhile comments. If it lets off a bit of steam then everyone continues to purchase whichever mag they want what is the problem other than Sam and others getting piXXed off (including me getting in a similar state in the past).
The fact that Nick Blooms piece was criticised then praised only demonstrates that some people can see the value of good advice and others can't. That I am afraid is the way of the world. We all have different knowledge levels and most of us think we know it all. The real experts are those who know that they dont know it all and I firmly put myself in the category of not knowing enough. I don't recall any flying article publishing advice which was as dangerous as the walking magazine which printed a walk which went over a cliff!.
Still haven't seen much about that bloody watch though!. And I can't offer any comments as I was shown one briefly but have since been unable to get my hands on one. Maybe I can convince Sam to lend me one and I will write a review of it here (STRONG HINT).
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I opened my own business in 1990.
During that time I have never given any type of 'freebie', except for a Christmas card. I trade throughout Europe and the USA and have survived two downturns by understanding what my customers wish to buy and providing it - and listening very carefully to feedback, especially when it hurts and then acting upon it.
Now please tell me what else you know about my business?
I opened my own business in 1990.
During that time I have never given any type of 'freebie', except for a Christmas card. I trade throughout Europe and the USA and have survived two downturns by understanding what my customers wish to buy and providing it - and listening very carefully to feedback, especially when it hurts and then acting upon it.
Now please tell me what else you know about my business?
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I've got a Breitling with incorporated ELB: I am waiting for the donkey to quit so I can at least use it properly. And that is the watch part.
Regarding the mags I first read Pil*t in 1975 and have done so on and off until a couple of years ago when I subscribed. I liked it in the old days and after some unhappy issues last year it is now improving.
I also buy Fl*er when I manage to get hold of it (not easily found at all news agents in Italy).
I think that what is missing in both mags (with a couple of exceptions) are good pilot writers. Pil*t is taking a bigger bashing because of its history and because in the past it had good writers that are probably lacking on the market nowadays.
My one liras worth.
AE
Regarding the mags I first read Pil*t in 1975 and have done so on and off until a couple of years ago when I subscribed. I liked it in the old days and after some unhappy issues last year it is now improving.
I also buy Fl*er when I manage to get hold of it (not easily found at all news agents in Italy).
I think that what is missing in both mags (with a couple of exceptions) are good pilot writers. Pil*t is taking a bigger bashing because of its history and because in the past it had good writers that are probably lacking on the market nowadays.
My one liras worth.
AE
