BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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Oh yeah?
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MissM also states "No-one wants to strike..........."
On the contrary, my dear, the fact that certain people wanted very much to strike seems to me to be at the heart of this. The fact that those self same people haven't a clue what to do now makes it even more painful to watch.
MissM also states "No-one wants to strike..........."
On the contrary, my dear, the fact that certain people wanted very much to strike seems to me to be at the heart of this. The fact that those self same people haven't a clue what to do now makes it even more painful to watch.
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BA should actually start requiring university graduation as an entry level qualification (Before you bite, I can think of at least one flag carrier that mandates this). We're always hearing, after all, that the job is more difficult than we think.
In the current climate, I'm sure they would find an ample supply of unemployed graduates gnashing at the bit for a job.
And people with a better education may be better placed to understand the external factors that affect the well-being of their employer.
In the current climate, I'm sure they would find an ample supply of unemployed graduates gnashing at the bit for a job.
And people with a better education may be better placed to understand the external factors that affect the well-being of their employer.
It is also wrong to assume that those who do not have degrees would only vote for strikes.
I am sure that there are many unemployed out there without degrees who would want employment.
So many graduates out there these days, the degree has become what the A level was and the O level before that. If all it gives you is the elitist attitude you show then what a waste of four years and a large debt.
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johnowhiskyx - post 126
Apologies for going a little off thread, but I must correct you to the fact that Civil Service Pensions are free, they are not, it is little publicised but staff do make contributions, and there are 3 schemes operating, Classic, Classic Plus and Premium, and depending which scheme you are in determines what you pay in contributions.
Most Civil Servants around the country are youngsters not earning much more than £15K gross, and some not even that, they don't receive any perks, and have much the same difficulties to deal with each day as anyone else who has 'customers'.
Sorry to intrude on this thread, but having read a few references to free pensions in this debate, thought it time to enlighten - some of us were stupid enough to try and enhance our civil service pension by way of equitable life!!!!
Thank you for your indulgence.
Most Civil Servants around the country are youngsters not earning much more than £15K gross, and some not even that, they don't receive any perks, and have much the same difficulties to deal with each day as anyone else who has 'customers'.
Sorry to intrude on this thread, but having read a few references to free pensions in this debate, thought it time to enlighten - some of us were stupid enough to try and enhance our civil service pension by way of equitable life!!!!
Thank you for your indulgence.
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I don't believe ChicoG was showing an "elitist " attitude. Not at all.
Though I am not sure I agree with his/her proposal I can see that in certain circumstances it has merit for an employer.
I don't believe ChicoG was showing an "elitist " attitude. Not at all.
Though I am not sure I agree with his/her proposal I can see that in certain circumstances it has merit for an employer.
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BA should actually start requiring university graduation as an entry level qualification (Before you bite, I can think of at least one flag carrier that mandates this). We're always hearing, after all, that the job is more difficult than we think.
Some of the most rabid militants in our cabin crew are those who have such qualifications. They are paid similar salaries to those they would get with their qualifications elsewhere but for a vastly better lifestyle. They are very much overqualified for the actual job, often only intended to do it "for a couple of years after Uni" but stayed. They have no chance of promotion/change, with the result that several years on they are now thoroughly sick of being treated as just another steward/ess by the airline and passengers when they think they are something better.
They are often the ones who think that BA crew are the best in the world, that LGW crew are of a lower grade entirely and wouldnt deign talk to a loco crew member.
Cabin Crewing (or indeed piloting) does not require a degree level qualification. Many do have one and many make the best use of their talents with businesses etc outside BA. Most dont and are frustrated or just plain bored.
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It would be wise to look at the disputes in areas where a degree is held by a majority of employee's before making such an assumption however.
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The Divine 'Miss M'
Looking at the number and frequency of her posts on 'The Other Forum,' does anybody else share my suspicion that 'Miss M' is not a person, but a group or committee of Bassamentalists? The consistency in style could be accomplished by using an editor (unemployed Arts graduate, perhaps) to keep it all in kilter.
I think we should be told!
I think we should be told!
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MissM
I hope the posters on the other forum don't scare MissM away. She is the best weapon BA and working CC have in showing up the attitude and position of the stikers to members of the public.
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The Big Picture
After the drubbing that Unite has had in the meeja of late, thanks mainly to their inability to control the wayward BASSA, they now need a victory to satisfy their supporters and their bruised egos.
The Unions' reaction to tomorrows cuts in public spending will be all the more vindictive as a result.
Thanks a bunch, BASSA.
The Unions' reaction to tomorrows cuts in public spending will be all the more vindictive as a result.
Thanks a bunch, BASSA.
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The Unions' reaction to tomorrows cuts in public spending will be all the more vindictive as a result.
Fortunately the Bassa dispute has served to warn the British public just how malicious & stupid the union movement can be. Bassa have done us a great favour in preparing us for the march of the dinosaurs.
No doubt they will soon be joined by the rest of the rabble. Maybe I'll plan a vacation on some distant scented isle!
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Miss M : CC Forum-- How Genuine ?
I guess most of you also read the cc forum and will thus have read the offerings of Miss M, who is currently the major proponent of BASSA.
Having read all of the thread, I am astonished at how blatant a liar he/she is.
Many times this poster has been pulled up over either the amount of savings offered by BASSA or if they were permanent or not and he/she simply sails over them and drags up the same figures TIME AND TIME AGAIN at a later date ( as now see CC forum ).
He/she is apparently indoctrinated to full-cult level. KEEP your children at home.
Unusually her replies are reasonably literate - unlike most of the UNITE rubbish ( press-releases etc) - but even so, one gets the impression that there is a schedule of BASSA posters for MIss M, WWW, and from times past A lurker and others I have forgotten.
Irrespective of the background personae, until this poster acknowledges that the BASSA initial "savings proposal " was misleading" and offered nothing lke the savings required they are a BASSA Trolll.
Having read all of the thread, I am astonished at how blatant a liar he/she is.
Many times this poster has been pulled up over either the amount of savings offered by BASSA or if they were permanent or not and he/she simply sails over them and drags up the same figures TIME AND TIME AGAIN at a later date ( as now see CC forum ).
He/she is apparently indoctrinated to full-cult level. KEEP your children at home.
Unusually her replies are reasonably literate - unlike most of the UNITE rubbish ( press-releases etc) - but even so, one gets the impression that there is a schedule of BASSA posters for MIss M, WWW, and from times past A lurker and others I have forgotten.
Irrespective of the background personae, until this poster acknowledges that the BASSA initial "savings proposal " was misleading" and offered nothing lke the savings required they are a BASSA Trolll.
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Now there's a thought
HiFlyer14 in post 156 over on the other thread is wondering of Miss M is actually Lizanne Malone. That could explain a lot. 
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If it is Miss Malone, perhaps she can answer the oft repeated but not answered question about how many, if any, of the BASSA council actually went on strike and lost ST and income.
At the moment it sounds as if none of them did!
At the moment it sounds as if none of them did!
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Miss M
I think you are all seeing conspiracy theories where there are none.
As a non striking member of cabin crew for BA, I may not agree with Miss M's point of view but she comes across as pretty genuine to me. In fact, it's actually quite nice to have someone from the other side of the fence that doesn't just throw out the one liners and run.
But then again, what would I know with my inferior education!
As a non striking member of cabin crew for BA, I may not agree with Miss M's point of view but she comes across as pretty genuine to me. In fact, it's actually quite nice to have someone from the other side of the fence that doesn't just throw out the one liners and run.
But then again, what would I know with my inferior education!
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Lizanne Malone 'outed?'
I guess most of you also read the cc forum and will thus have read the offerings of Miss M, who is currently the major proponent of BASSA.
Having read all of the thread, I am astonished at how blatant a liar he/she is.
Many times this poster has been pulled up over either the amount of savings offered by BASSA or if they were permanent or not and he/she simply sails over them and drags up the same figures TIME AND TIME AGAIN at a later date ( as now see CC forum ).
He/she is apparently indoctrinated to full-cult level. KEEP your children at home.
Unusually her replies are reasonabaly literate - unlike most of the UNITE rubbish - but even so, one gets the impression that there is a schedule of BASSA posters for MIss M, WWW, and from times past A lurker and others I have forgotten.
Irrespective of the background personae, until this poster acknowledges that the BASSA initial "savings proposal " was misleading" and offered nothing lke the savings required they are a BASSA Trolll.
Having read all of the thread, I am astonished at how blatant a liar he/she is.
Many times this poster has been pulled up over either the amount of savings offered by BASSA or if they were permanent or not and he/she simply sails over them and drags up the same figures TIME AND TIME AGAIN at a later date ( as now see CC forum ).
He/she is apparently indoctrinated to full-cult level. KEEP your children at home.
Unusually her replies are reasonabaly literate - unlike most of the UNITE rubbish - but even so, one gets the impression that there is a schedule of BASSA posters for MIss M, WWW, and from times past A lurker and others I have forgotten.
Irrespective of the background personae, until this poster acknowledges that the BASSA initial "savings proposal " was misleading" and offered nothing lke the savings required they are a BASSA Trolll.
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...................You also claim that the rest of us "enjoy" the achievements of BASSA. Wrong again. In the last 20 years or so, all the key agreements - long range agreement, midfleet, BEP 97, CSD talks, have all been negotiated by CC89/AMICUS. BASSA have either been on strike over them or refused to sign the relevant documents, even though they operate on them.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue this "debate" when one side of it merely insists on repeating, parrot fashion, infathomable, unjustified statements.
Miss M..... Malone, I presume? Could that explain why you're so concerned about the Professional Cabin Crew Council? PCCC – Professional Cabin Crew Council
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...................You also claim that the rest of us "enjoy" the achievements of BASSA. Wrong again. In the last 20 years or so, all the key agreements - long range agreement, midfleet, BEP 97, CSD talks, have all been negotiated by CC89/AMICUS. BASSA have either been on strike over them or refused to sign the relevant documents, even though they operate on them.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue this "debate" when one side of it merely insists on repeating, parrot fashion, infathomable, unjustified statements.
Miss M..... Malone, I presume? Could that explain why you're so concerned about the Professional Cabin Crew Council? PCCC – Professional Cabin Crew Council
Roger.
Well Miss M has now denied that she's Ms Malone, but one might question her honesty given that she again repeated the £10 million saving lie in the same post. (Edit: in the official thread, not her post above)
Interesting that she posts nearly every afternoon until very late at night (UK time). Can't be working much at the moment. I wonder if she could be a BA CC off on long term sick based somewhere with a suitable timezone for her posts such as in the US? (perhaps LA?)
Interesting that she posts nearly every afternoon until very late at night (UK time). Can't be working much at the moment. I wonder if she could be a BA CC off on long term sick based somewhere with a suitable timezone for her posts such as in the US? (perhaps LA?)
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Originally Posted by Mariner9 
Well Miss M has now denied that she's Ms Malone.........
Well Miss M has now denied that she's Ms Malone.........
And you could be Mr Walsh?
"You are Lobby Lud and I claim the Daily Herald prize of £10"!
[Explanatory note for les jeunes:
'Lobby Lud' was a man hired by a daily newspaper to prowl along the promenades of British seaside resorts. A "photoshopped" picture of him appeared in the paper.
If someone went up to him, carrying that day's edition of the newspaper, and challenging him with the exact words quoted above, he/she would be rewarded accordingly.
Many men were startled to be accosted in that manner.]