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I'm not certain, but I believe the reason is that BA is operating flights with fewer CC than they would normally - this enables them to operate more flights than if they all had the usual complement of CC.
I'm not certain, but I believe the reason is that BA is operating flights with fewer CC than they would normally - this enables them to operate more flights than if they all had the usual complement of CC.
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Unite fact or fiction
More Unite Fact or Fiction via the Guardian website Once Again Unite The Union Gets The Facts Wrong Regarding The British Airways Strike - Flying With Fish
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack
why is is unlikely that there will be warm meals onboard ?
A cold meal can't be burned or spoiled (unless dropped).
I assume that in the time available for training volunteer crew, none of this was viable.
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My concern, as SLF and a commercial analyst, is the cultural behavious of BASSA. They are currently stomping up and down personalising their CEO as Hitler, and BBC are quoting that their best hope is that the board go right around Willie Walsh and re-start negotiations directly with the union.
It is frightening to me, the lack of commercial awareness these pampered people have. They are now actively trying to bring down their own company (and colleagues) and topple the CEO. Might I remind them the board hired Willie Walsh having read his CV as a tough negotiator and VERY tough with unions. This is the reason that the share price is holding up well.
Willie was hired to destroy the dead grip of BASSA that prevents management managing without deferring to the all powerful and pampered dinosaurs.
If you think BA ought to be paying over the odds for Cabin Crew simply because they always have done, then you're mad! Swissair anyone? Sabena? UnitedThe childish personalisation of these schoolkids with their employer on t-shirts as Hitler beggars belief. Add that to the Iwo Jima motif on the website and I genuienly wonder what a bunch of fruitcakes BASSA really are.
It is frightening to me, the lack of commercial awareness these pampered people have. They are now actively trying to bring down their own company (and colleagues) and topple the CEO. Might I remind them the board hired Willie Walsh having read his CV as a tough negotiator and VERY tough with unions. This is the reason that the share price is holding up well.
Willie was hired to destroy the dead grip of BASSA that prevents management managing without deferring to the all powerful and pampered dinosaurs.
If you think BA ought to be paying over the odds for Cabin Crew simply because they always have done, then you're mad! Swissair anyone? Sabena? UnitedThe childish personalisation of these schoolkids with their employer on t-shirts as Hitler beggars belief. Add that to the Iwo Jima motif on the website and I genuienly wonder what a bunch of fruitcakes BASSA really are.
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Telegraph: Late-night revelry of the BA cabin crews
An interesting article in the Telegraph yesterday...
Late-night revelry of the BA cabin crews - Telegraph
This isn't going to get public opinion on the side of CC
Late-night revelry of the BA cabin crews - Telegraph
This isn't going to get public opinion on the side of CC
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Originally Posted by fincastle84
We've just flown overnight TPA-LGW in J. It was about 2/3 full.
Despite landing 25 minutes late at TPA due headwinds, we were still airborne on time. Therefore I deduce that the Teamsters' union went out of their way to assist in a very speedy turn round.
The Captain set the tone for the flight by giving a rousing welcome to the pax & proudly announcing that the aircraft was crewed by a fully operational Gatwick crew, no volunteers required. He was also pleased to announce that we SLF were to receive a full meals service. This happened very speedily despite quite choppy clear air turbulence.
During the flight, surely a record at 7.5 hrs, I was able to have a lengthy chat with the purser about the present situation with Bassa. Time & space will not allow me to repeat the words used & opinion expressed; suffice to say that there is NO sympathy or understanding for or of Bassa's position.
Throughout the flight as always the service was both friendly & efficient.
One of our cases was unfortunately damaged at LGW during unloading. It was very quickly sorted out at the BA desk in the arrivals hall; a new one is on the way. Both BA staff members were totally scathing about the strike. They pointed out that they had taken their cuts a year ago so fail to see why LHR CC should be an exception. Again I won't repeat how they described grey haired CSDs!
As a result of our latest flight we are more than ever supportive of BA & the excellent crews & personnel. I cannot see any way in which Bassa & Unite can be allowed to bring down this great airline.
Despite landing 25 minutes late at TPA due headwinds, we were still airborne on time. Therefore I deduce that the Teamsters' union went out of their way to assist in a very speedy turn round.
The Captain set the tone for the flight by giving a rousing welcome to the pax & proudly announcing that the aircraft was crewed by a fully operational Gatwick crew, no volunteers required. He was also pleased to announce that we SLF were to receive a full meals service. This happened very speedily despite quite choppy clear air turbulence.
During the flight, surely a record at 7.5 hrs, I was able to have a lengthy chat with the purser about the present situation with Bassa. Time & space will not allow me to repeat the words used & opinion expressed; suffice to say that there is NO sympathy or understanding for or of Bassa's position.
Throughout the flight as always the service was both friendly & efficient.
One of our cases was unfortunately damaged at LGW during unloading. It was very quickly sorted out at the BA desk in the arrivals hall; a new one is on the way. Both BA staff members were totally scathing about the strike. They pointed out that they had taken their cuts a year ago so fail to see why LHR CC should be an exception. Again I won't repeat how they described grey haired CSDs!
As a result of our latest flight we are more than ever supportive of BA & the excellent crews & personnel. I cannot see any way in which Bassa & Unite can be allowed to bring down this great airline.
How dare you come on here and present FACTS, and then start attacking baggage handlers as a side issue
Glad you had a good trip, mate - the CAT always happens during meal service, of course. Much smoother down at 5,000 ft
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L/S haul workloads
The one thing this debacle has brought to my attention is the disparity of the workloads between Long and Short Haul. I flew MIA-Edin the day before the strike began, the MIA-LHR leg was as normal. Lots of CC for the first hour or so then cabin dimmed and few CC in evidence; the CSD was never seen at all !
Contrast this on the connection up to EDI, a full (one hour delayed) a/c with minimum CC who work like the preverbial blue bottomed flies. A full hot breakfast and drinks service in a little over an hour! Magnificent !
Do the CC pay scales reflect the difference in work loads on the various routes?
Contrast this on the connection up to EDI, a full (one hour delayed) a/c with minimum CC who work like the preverbial blue bottomed flies. A full hot breakfast and drinks service in a little over an hour! Magnificent !
Do the CC pay scales reflect the difference in work loads on the various routes?
gsky - I was not defending Mc Whatever, the Disunited fellow. I was jusy trying to put in some balance about Scousers. (I worked there in IR in the mid 70s. I think that Confucius offered me interesting times).
McWhatever simply wants the publicity.
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(oh, no, I'm AO on here. My AZ slip must relate to your moniker)
McWhatever simply wants the publicity.
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(oh, no, I'm AO on here. My AZ slip must relate to your moniker)
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@ 4t2b ... exactly my regular experience.
LGW-JER, the guys & gals work their nuts off doing a full service on a sector of under 1 hour. Fantastic, efficient, cheerful.
LGW-MLA, faultless. Even with a delay due to 'unidentified package' the last time, 'Nigel' kept everyone informed.
LHR-IAD, the CC can't wait to get the main meal served and then ...... vanish.
I've developed a 'reputation' with the Mods for "slagging CC". Actually, I have always given credit where it's due. In my experience over the last few years, it's not due to LHR LH ... for some reason.
I'm only a paying J-class punter - my views frequently do not count, but my company's expenditure might.
LGW-JER, the guys & gals work their nuts off doing a full service on a sector of under 1 hour. Fantastic, efficient, cheerful.
LGW-MLA, faultless. Even with a delay due to 'unidentified package' the last time, 'Nigel' kept everyone informed.
LHR-IAD, the CC can't wait to get the main meal served and then ...... vanish.
I've developed a 'reputation' with the Mods for "slagging CC". Actually, I have always given credit where it's due. In my experience over the last few years, it's not due to LHR LH ... for some reason.
I'm only a paying J-class punter - my views frequently do not count, but my company's expenditure might.
Paxing All Over The World
My work regularly takes me to a venue where one of the staff is a retired BOAC CC (as he points out, in the days before trolleys and you walked up and down the aisle with a stack of trays loaded with china crockery, not plastic). His only observation was, "It all sounds like the disputes we had 25 years ago. You could not believe either side then - or now."
SpringHeeledJack
"Tightslot" has it pretty much on the nose...if you're on a 777 service, it may in part be crewed by "volunteers" - pilots, ground staff and the like. They have been fully trained in the safety aspects of the 777 but have not received the training that would allow them to use the ovens, handle hot food, etc. If it's any consolation the cold food we had on board yesterday was fine.
Supporting the TU Boss
If any crew members lose a few pounds due to the strike, they'll be extremely pleased that their leader will not lose any money,........
Union boss Derek Simpson enjoys perks - Telegraph
Union boss Derek Simpson enjoys perks - Telegraph
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Have just seen the BBC news and could not believe the JUVENILE (no other word to describe it!) of the cabin crew at bedfont f.c.
Pig masks, underwear on a rope,hitler t-shirts,stupid childish songs and other ridiculous banners.
How are they supposed to be treated with any dignity and respect now or gain any ounce of public support?
Lost the plot??
I think so!!!!!!!!!!
However some may be brought back to earth tomorrow as reported on another thread that strikers who were due now avaialble for work tomorrow are being asked to report to the trsining centre (in civvies) where possibly they will be presented with take it or leave it contracts
Now that is when this becomes serious and not some stupid jolly!!
Pig masks, underwear on a rope,hitler t-shirts,stupid childish songs and other ridiculous banners.
How are they supposed to be treated with any dignity and respect now or gain any ounce of public support?
Lost the plot??
I think so!!!!!!!!!!
However some may be brought back to earth tomorrow as reported on another thread that strikers who were due now avaialble for work tomorrow are being asked to report to the trsining centre (in civvies) where possibly they will be presented with take it or leave it contracts
Now that is when this becomes serious and not some stupid jolly!!
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"Professional" Cabin Crew?
Some are, some aren't ... just like any other sector of society.
I agree it does little for the dignity of their working colleagues [pick a %ge] but that's the way of life in 'Modern Britain'.
Personally, I would have had serious thoughts about trying to take on WW in the current scenario by behaving like that ... but then I do have serious thoughts at times, so it would never have happened anyway.
I don't wish them ill, I just feel so sorry that they have strutted as 'professionals' in the company of those who actually are.
Some are, some aren't ... just like any other sector of society.
I agree it does little for the dignity of their working colleagues [pick a %ge] but that's the way of life in 'Modern Britain'.
Personally, I would have had serious thoughts about trying to take on WW in the current scenario by behaving like that ... but then I do have serious thoughts at times, so it would never have happened anyway.
I don't wish them ill, I just feel so sorry that they have strutted as 'professionals' in the company of those who actually are.
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Thanks for your red herring re the baggage handlers. They were even considerate enough to put the broken wheel alongside the suitcase!
My one regret is that as this forum is probably read by only a small percentage of BA CC my positive comments about our superb flight will not get to the people who really matter. The comments would help to counter balance some of the biased reporting from the Bassa Broadcasting Corporation.
Maybe a mod might allow them to be copied over to the other forum.
My one regret is that as this forum is probably read by only a small percentage of BA CC my positive comments about our superb flight will not get to the people who really matter. The comments would help to counter balance some of the biased reporting from the Bassa Broadcasting Corporation.
Maybe a mod might allow them to be copied over to the other forum.
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fincastle84 ... certainly don't ask me to cross-post that one. 
Actually, the broken wheel aspect says quite a lot for whoever was handling that bag. He cared enough to do that, which is nice. Well done!
Mods - would you accept one of us cross-posting that report?
Or do it yourselves?
Actually, the broken wheel aspect says quite a lot for whoever was handling that bag. He cared enough to do that, which is nice. Well done!
Mods - would you accept one of us cross-posting that report?
Or do it yourselves?
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More people view this forum than you might imagine fincastle84. However, I'll post a reminder in the close of play post on the CC Forum thread to try and ensure that those crew posting are aware.
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If you thought that the BBC was bad should have watched Sky - theirs was a disgrace and couldn't have been more pro BASSA if they tried,
In my opinion the BBC were more balanced
One critism of them all - check facts that BASSA hand out, eg 20 planes ins storage at CWL - not
Staff will use their coverage to help them make informed decissions in this dispute, and in this respect none of the broadcasters have covered themselves in glory
In my opinion the BBC were more balanced
One critism of them all - check facts that BASSA hand out, eg 20 planes ins storage at CWL - not
Staff will use their coverage to help them make informed decissions in this dispute, and in this respect none of the broadcasters have covered themselves in glory
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Have just seen the BBC news and could not believe the JUVENILE (no other word to describe it!) of the cabin crew at bedfont f.c.
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