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Well, actually, F3G, I couldn't agree more. I am inclined to get disruptive and obnoxious when asked to pay for booze. Nothing like a free drop or two to keep me pacified.
But, I disagree that all airlines suffer equally from the scourge of unwashed and unrefined SLF. There will always be exceptions on all carriers, but for the locos it is the norm.
But what I was trying to get at a while back, was that maybe there should be some sort of guidance or "training" as to how to be a passenger?
But, I disagree that all airlines suffer equally from the scourge of unwashed and unrefined SLF. There will always be exceptions on all carriers, but for the locos it is the norm.
But what I was trying to get at a while back, was that maybe there should be some sort of guidance or "training" as to how to be a passenger?
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I think you will find that the demographics of a planeload of ryanair passengers is 'superior' to that of the general population. Now I have no idea what 'superior' means, but I am sure you do.
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Perhaps we should be congratulating Ryanair for making people pay for booze thus making it far more likely that disruptive behaviour will occur. It is a coincidence that SXB dropped in to the conversation he was in business class, where booze is free, as it would be in the lounge?
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They are free when it suits your argument
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...19&postcount=4
However I would agree they are not free. However the approach that several legacy carriers takes by not charging at the point of delivery would possibly increase the possibility of a passenger being drunk on board, which is what you witnessed.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...19&postcount=4
However I would agree they are not free. However the approach that several legacy carriers takes by not charging at the point of delivery would possibly increase the possibility of a passenger being drunk on board, which is what you witnessed.
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At the risk of repeating myself for the sake of clarity:
I certainly didn't mean to stir up the hornet's nest of social classification and elitism, and I am in total agreement that "pond scum" (I have grown fond of that phrase...
) travel on all airlines.
However, a greater proportion will travel on the low cost airlines.
Slim_slag, absolutely not. Due to my location, I travel almost exclusively Ryanair, so if I consider you "pond scum" then I must also consider myself in the same bracket as well.... 
Regarding Ryanair threads in general, I disagree passionately with company policy in so many ways, and for so many reasons. However, my point is that company policy is not the "fault" of the cabin or flight crew.
Pax should accept that if they choose (or must) travel with Ryanair then they should be aware of the policies that exist, and not shout, scream, or otherwise be rude to cabin crew who have to enforce those policies. Those are the "pond scum" I detest - people who will lash out without knowing, or realising, the true facts of a given situation.
Yes, and I was under the impression that they still were on RYR. Obviously not...
True. However, in that case I would have expected (ha! How arrogant does that sound? "I would have expected..." Christ... 
) her to politely explain why she could not move. To be so nasty, and then make a nasty comment about the child, is completely out of order...
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I certainly didn't mean to stir up the hornet's nest of social classification and elitism, and I am in total agreement that "pond scum" (I have grown fond of that phrase...
) travel on all airlines.However, a greater proportion will travel on the low cost airlines.
I fly Ryanair a lot and think they are brilliant. Does that also make me 'pond scum' who deserves to be greeted at the door with a cattle prod?
What is it about these Ryanair threads?
What is it about these Ryanair threads?
Regarding Ryanair threads in general, I disagree passionately with company policy in so many ways, and for so many reasons. However, my point is that company policy is not the "fault" of the cabin or flight crew.
Pax should accept that if they choose (or must) travel with Ryanair then they should be aware of the policies that exist, and not shout, scream, or otherwise be rude to cabin crew who have to enforce those policies. Those are the "pond scum" I detest - people who will lash out without knowing, or realising, the true facts of a given situation.
You're missing the point FHA, special needs pax are preloaded and looked after on other airlines.
And the woman may have paid for the privilege of selecting that seat - perhaps she is claustrophobic or has some other reason she needed to sit there.
) her to politely explain why she could not move. To be so nasty, and then make a nasty comment about the child, is completely out of order...Cheers!
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Your link is splitting hairs.
In some cases maybe but generally I think not. The preparation for drunkeness on an aircraft seems to take place in the pay bars around the departure lounge and before arrival at the airport. I can't say I've noticed too many drunks staggering around the business class lounge.
For the two guys in question.... to become that drunk requires dedication and preparation and they must have been drinking hours before arriving at the airport. Maybe they shouldn't have been allowed on the plane but on a 03.55 departure all the passengers look red eyed and tired so if a drunk doesn't open his mouth he'll be able to board.
Your link is splitting hairs.
However I would agree they are not free. However the approach that several legacy carriers takes by not charging at the point of delivery would possibly increase the possibility of a passenger being drunk on board, which is what you witnessed.
For the two guys in question.... to become that drunk requires dedication and preparation and they must have been drinking hours before arriving at the airport. Maybe they shouldn't have been allowed on the plane but on a 03.55 departure all the passengers look red eyed and tired so if a drunk doesn't open his mouth he'll be able to board.
To be honest, two drunk Russians is not that unusual. Unfortunately, the new young Russian mafia now fly Business Class - and still be drunk! They have no respect for anything or anyone.
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You're missing the point FHA, special needs pax are preloaded and looked after on other airlines.
Solution? We moved the curtain and found them six seats together so the children could be looked after.
Anyway, (rambling as ever) my point is that RYR certainly aren't alone in treating pax badly.
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You have my sympathy.....
Just as an alternative have you thought about taking the TGV ? I know Nimes is on their route network. The TGV has just arrived here in Strasbourg and I can now do the trip to central london in a shade over 6 hours, that's 6 hours from leaving my house to stepping onto the platform at London Waterloo. I've done the maths and it's quicker than going by air. A lot depends on whereabouts you need to be in London. It's also a lot less stressful as a journey. The days of me travelling to London airports have ceased. Permanently.
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I've been travelling around Russia since the 1990's and IMO there are a lot less drunken Russians around than there used to be. The problem is that more of them are travelling so they're more visible.
You have my sympathy.....
Just as an alternative have you thought about taking the TGV ? I know Nimes is on their route network. The TGV has just arrived here in Strasbourg and I can now do the trip to central london in a shade over 6 hours, that's 6 hours from leaving my house to stepping onto the platform at London Waterloo. I've done the maths and it's quicker than going by air. A lot depends on whereabouts you need to be in London. It's also a lot less stressful as a journey. The days of me travelling to London airports have ceased. Permanently.
Avman
I've been travelling around Russia since the 1990's and IMO there are a lot less drunken Russians around than there used to be. The problem is that more of them are travelling so they're more visible.
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Just as an alternative have you thought about taking the TGV ? I know Nimes is on their route network. The TGV has just arrived here in Strasbourg and I can now do the trip to central london in a shade over 6 hours, that's 6 hours from leaving my house to stepping onto the platform at London Waterloo. I've done the maths and it's quicker than going by air. A lot depends on whereabouts you need to be in London. It's also a lot less stressful as a journey. The days of me travelling to London airports have ceased. Permanently.
However, at £160 (220 Euros or so) each way - and Ryanair from Montpelier to Stansted being a total of 31 Euros return (I don't have check in luggage
) - even with transfers it works out cheaper...Although I do appreciate it is actually faster by train if you take into account check in and airport transfer times etc.
And I can take more than 15KG without being charged.
In fact, I can take more then 0KG without being charged
And the coffee is drinkable.
And I can carry deodorant and toothpaste in my bag without having to buy it in London for 1 night...
Hmmm....
Where's my cattle pr... sorry, credit card?
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Anyway, (rambling as ever) my point is that RYR certainly aren't alone in treating pax badly.
I will say it is not totally undeserved though.
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A possible saving of €300 is a powerful argument for taking RYR. On a business trip I would never entertain the idea of using them, period. On a leisure trip, where it was just myself, I would think about for a while and then pay the extra €300. If I were taking the whole family, four of us, then I would be faced with a difficult decision, €1200 is a significant amount of money.
Fortunately for me I don't have to make that decision as I live within driving distance of Strasbourg, Bale, Frankfurt and Stuttgart, in fact I can even transit CDG if necessary, plenty of alternatives exist. If I had to make that decision then I'd take RYR.
Good luck !
A possible saving of €300 is a powerful argument for taking RYR. On a business trip I would never entertain the idea of using them, period. On a leisure trip, where it was just myself, I would think about for a while and then pay the extra €300. If I were taking the whole family, four of us, then I would be faced with a difficult decision, €1200 is a significant amount of money.
Fortunately for me I don't have to make that decision as I live within driving distance of Strasbourg, Bale, Frankfurt and Stuttgart, in fact I can even transit CDG if necessary, plenty of alternatives exist. If I had to make that decision then I'd take RYR.
Good luck !
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Interesting discussion this.
According to Leo Hairy Camel, he was going to change the face of civil aviation forever with his particular brand of aviation and business model. But I am begining to believe that the excitement of Ryanair et al is showing the first signs of wearing thin somewhat.
I took an early flight out to Malaga last week on BA (Gerbil). It was interesting to overhear the reactions of customers, obviously making their first flight on BA, as they entered the cabin..commented on the leather seats...and had beakfast..and drinks. 'Much better' was the consensus of a hen party on its way to AGP for a good time - pity that my hotel was an hour and a bit further south !
The flight back was rammed, both Euro Traveller and Club Europe. Evidence that people want something more, I would suggest - and are prepared to pay for it, although amazingly having looked at prices beforehand (for a last minute trip admittedly), BA beat both FR and EZ.
I reckon, to corrupt an old quotation, that rumours of the death of full service carriers are greatly exagerated.
According to Leo Hairy Camel, he was going to change the face of civil aviation forever with his particular brand of aviation and business model. But I am begining to believe that the excitement of Ryanair et al is showing the first signs of wearing thin somewhat.
I took an early flight out to Malaga last week on BA (Gerbil). It was interesting to overhear the reactions of customers, obviously making their first flight on BA, as they entered the cabin..commented on the leather seats...and had beakfast..and drinks. 'Much better' was the consensus of a hen party on its way to AGP for a good time - pity that my hotel was an hour and a bit further south !
The flight back was rammed, both Euro Traveller and Club Europe. Evidence that people want something more, I would suggest - and are prepared to pay for it, although amazingly having looked at prices beforehand (for a last minute trip admittedly), BA beat both FR and EZ.
I reckon, to corrupt an old quotation, that rumours of the death of full service carriers are greatly exagerated.
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According to Leo Hairy Camel, he was going to change the face of civil aviation forever with his particular brand of aviation and business model. But I am begining to believe that the excitement of Ryanair et al is showing the first signs of wearing thin somewhat.
I took an early flight out to Malaga last week on BA (Gerbil). It was interesting to overhear the reactions of customers, obviously making their first flight on BA, as they entered the cabin..commented on the leather seats...and had beakfast..and drinks. 'Much better' was the consensus of a hen party on its way to AGP for a good time - pity that my hotel was an hour and a bit further south !
The flight back was rammed, both Euro Traveller and Club Europe. Evidence that people want something more, I would suggest - and are prepared to pay for it, although amazingly having looked at prices beforehand (for a last minute trip admittedly), BA beat both FR and EZ.
I reckon, to corrupt an old quotation, that rumours of the death of full service carriers are greatly exagerated.
I took an early flight out to Malaga last week on BA (Gerbil). It was interesting to overhear the reactions of customers, obviously making their first flight on BA, as they entered the cabin..commented on the leather seats...and had beakfast..and drinks. 'Much better' was the consensus of a hen party on its way to AGP for a good time - pity that my hotel was an hour and a bit further south !
The flight back was rammed, both Euro Traveller and Club Europe. Evidence that people want something more, I would suggest - and are prepared to pay for it, although amazingly having looked at prices beforehand (for a last minute trip admittedly), BA beat both FR and EZ.
I reckon, to corrupt an old quotation, that rumours of the death of full service carriers are greatly exagerated.
If I were making occasional trips to a destination I would absolutely take this line...
However:
A possible saving of €300 is a powerful argument for taking RYR. On a business trip I would never entertain the idea of using them, period. On a leisure trip, where it was just myself, I would think about for a while and then pay the extra €300. If I were taking the whole family, four of us, then I would be faced with a difficult decision, €1200 is a significant amount of money.
), I have to factor in cost.Off topic, but on point: I remember when I was conducting the Blood Brothers UK Tour in Dublin, and had a rehearsal for another show on one of my Sundays off in London. Due to copious amounts of post-rehearsal alcohol, I missed my Ryanair flight back to Dublin early on the Monday morning.
After several panic searches of websites, I found a flight back to Dublin from Heathrow with Aer Lingus. I was *amazed* at the increased level of service, but not the cost. It was £60 single - booked about 4 hours before I traveled
Aer Lingus was also the only website that allowed you to book for the *same day* - without having to call an extortionate phone line to book...
Good luck !
Martin
I reckon, to corrupt an old quotation, that rumours of the death of full service carriers are greatly exagerated
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Heh heh SXB, I disagree, but isn't splitting hairs what it's all about 
If you people don't want to fly Ryanair then that is fine by me. One has noticed that airlines charge more for seats when they have fewer of them available. This isn't new of course, was invented by the legacy lot. So you all run along and fly BA or EI or LH or whoever and leave lots of FR seats available for 1p.
Have you noticed the new headline fares now include extras? They are quoting fares 'from £10' which is the same as the government tax. So you can now get a seat which doesn't include PSC, wheelchair levy, or even the price of a ticket. Rather good value methinks, the only people making money are the government and they are the ones who deserve the money the least.
If you people don't want to fly Ryanair then that is fine by me. One has noticed that airlines charge more for seats when they have fewer of them available. This isn't new of course, was invented by the legacy lot. So you all run along and fly BA or EI or LH or whoever and leave lots of FR seats available for 1p.
Have you noticed the new headline fares now include extras? They are quoting fares 'from £10' which is the same as the government tax. So you can now get a seat which doesn't include PSC, wheelchair levy, or even the price of a ticket. Rather good value methinks, the only people making money are the government and they are the ones who deserve the money the least.
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If you open up airline travel to 'the masses', then 'the masses' are going to fly
Curiously enough, that is more or less exactly what the Duke of Wellington said when the first passenger trains were introduced in the 19th century.
He was quoted as being against them on the grounds that the common people would want to travel, and that might lead to revolution. Substitute "pond scum" for "the common people" and it all begins to sound very familiar!
Allegedly, the Duke changed his mind completely when his financial adviser steered him into railway shares from which he subsequently made a lot of money ....
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Curiously enough, that is more or less exactly what the Duke of Wellington said when the first passenger trains were introduced in the 19th century.
He was quoted as being against them on the grounds that the common people would want to travel, and that might lead to revolution. Substitute "pond scum" for "the common people" and it all begins to sound very familiar!
Allegedly, the Duke changed his mind completely when his financial adviser steered him into railway shares from which he subsequently made a lot of money ....
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You're missing the point FHA, special needs pax are preloaded and looked after on other airlines.
And the woman may have paid for the privilege of selecting that seat - perhaps she is claustrophobic or has some other reason she needed to sit there.
Without knowing the facts, you are judging prematurely, for example I could conclude from your expressed view that you are an intellectual lightweight, incapable of expressing yourself with resort to bad language, who doesn't think things through and exhorts violence as a solution.
I doubt that that is fair comment and neither is your post.
Ooooh!! Handbags at 20 paces.
I'm just a passionate guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.
Firmament posted a heartfelt comment having been clearly disturbed at what he/she saw, or more to the point, heard. Even if she did book that seat for a reason, the bets are off when she passed comment on the child.
As for the guarded insult: well I could conclude that you are a pompous arse with an innate superiority complex.
I doubt that is fair comment either but thanks for letting let us know who the real 'lightweight' is.
If this gets me barred, it's been worth it!
Firmament, you are right: the Cabin Crew do have a thankless task.
You're missing the point FHA, special needs pax are preloaded and looked after on other airlines.
And the woman may have paid for the privilege of selecting that seat - perhaps she is claustrophobic or has some other reason she needed to sit there.
Without knowing the facts, you are judging prematurely, for example I could conclude from your expressed view that you are an intellectual lightweight, incapable of expressing yourself with resort to bad language, who doesn't think things through and exhorts violence as a solution.
I doubt that that is fair comment and neither is your post.
Ooooh!! Handbags at 20 paces.
I'm just a passionate guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.
Firmament posted a heartfelt comment having been clearly disturbed at what he/she saw, or more to the point, heard. Even if she did book that seat for a reason, the bets are off when she passed comment on the child.
As for the guarded insult: well I could conclude that you are a pompous arse with an innate superiority complex.
I doubt that is fair comment either but thanks for letting let us know who the real 'lightweight' is.
If this gets me barred, it's been worth it!
Firmament, you are right: the Cabin Crew do have a thankless task.