Uk Airport Chaos (hand wringing thread)
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How can banning hand baggage be as crippling as aircraft blowing up in mid air?
Because both occurences (note that these new aarrangements are causing severe delays) both stop the air transport system from functioning viably.
I am not comparing the severity of the events, just the severity of the consequences.
Got it now?
Because both occurences (note that these new aarrangements are causing severe delays) both stop the air transport system from functioning viably.
I am not comparing the severity of the events, just the severity of the consequences.
Got it now?
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Originally Posted by NVpilot
Score one for the good guys. 
can cause to our 'advanced' society!
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As far as is being reported, the threat was neutralised this morning. So as far as I can see this is all designed to remind the public how scared they should be, and that they mustn't question Tony's foreign policy/police state ID card scheme/immigration policy/insert contaversial scheme here
Talking of Tony, does anyone think it's a coincidence that he just managed to get to Barbados before all this happened?
And since he's away will the Deputy PM be handling things in his absence? God help us...
Talking of Tony, does anyone think it's a coincidence that he just managed to get to Barbados before all this happened?
And since he's away will the Deputy PM be handling things in his absence? God help us...
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The policy of no liquids appears to be especially relevant here, right down to 'no contact lens solution'. Sounds like the cretins hatched a plan involving liquid explosive, or liquid flammables. 
Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
Jimma
It may be an inconvenience for you, but for many business travellers, the inability to take a laptop in the cabin is somewhat more than that.
If this continues for long, it will have severe consequences for UK air travel, as the business community finds other ways to work around the blocker.
The impact on Ryanair and others will be interestng to observe, bye bye 20 minute turnarounds for the time being, methinks.
It may be an inconvenience for you, but for many business travellers, the inability to take a laptop in the cabin is somewhat more than that.
If this continues for long, it will have severe consequences for UK air travel, as the business community finds other ways to work around the blocker.
The impact on Ryanair and others will be interestng to observe, bye bye 20 minute turnarounds for the time being, methinks.
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Originally Posted by Ray Darr
This was just issued - at 0615z today... LHR Short-haul flights of 3 hours or less are prohibited UFN. A review will be taking place within 2 hours. What a mess...
Pity to the innocent travellers, the economy, and all crew and staff involved, but safety first.
Cheers,
R.D.
Pity to the innocent travellers, the economy, and all crew and staff involved, but safety first.
Cheers,
R.D.
I do feel for all my colleagues and all the passengers involved, but these measures are necessary, at least to discourage bad people from acting at this time.
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Good result,however I have lived with this type of theat most of my life and as our national security do a very good job they have to be lucky all the time and those Bas***ds only have to be lucky once.
Keep the good work up guys and its up to us to be very vigilant.
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Keep the good work up guys and its up to us to be very vigilant.
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Originally Posted by AfricanSkies
The policy of no liquids appears to be especially relevant here, right down to 'no contact lens solution'. Sounds like the cretins hatched a plan involving liquid explosive, or liquid flammables.
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How can banning hand baggage be as crippling as aircraft blowing up in mid air? Yes, there will be significant disruption for a while, but, as always, the aviation industry will work through it, sort out what needs to be done, and make it happen.
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Originally Posted by Jet II
so are the airlines going to remove all the bottles of Scotch, Vodka etc?
Banning duty free spirits would be a good thing anyway - imagine what damage a few bottles of burning spirits could do in a toilet ceiling. Pax could buy their spirits on arrival at duty free instead.
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You need to get your little Britain blinkers off, UK business people may have no chouice, but those from other countries do.
The UK relies on a lot of premium transfer traffic, who can reroute via AMS, PAR, FRA.
Do you think that those travellers are going to be attracted by (a) loads of hassle and (b) the news that somone had a serious plot to blow them up?
You need to get your little Britain blinkers off, UK business people may have no chouice, but those from other countries do.
The UK relies on a lot of premium transfer traffic, who can reroute via AMS, PAR, FRA.
Do you think that those travellers are going to be attracted by (a) loads of hassle and (b) the news that somone had a serious plot to blow them up?
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Originally Posted by Jinkster
I can understand it can be a problem however I cant see the business chappies among the world travelling by sea.....
I see BA hurting very quickly.
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
How can banning hand baggage be as crippling as aircraft blowing up in mid air?
Because both occurences (note that these new aarrangements are causing severe delays) both stop the air transport system from functioning viably.
I am not comparing the severity of the events, just the severity of the consequences.
Got it now?
Because both occurences (note that these new aarrangements are causing severe delays) both stop the air transport system from functioning viably.
I am not comparing the severity of the events, just the severity of the consequences.
Got it now?
When the skies are cleared of all air traffic for 3-4 days (as it was post 911 and would be if aircraft started to fall out of the skies) due to the hand baggage restrictions, I will concede you have a point.
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Dangerous contents of hand luggage
If "stuff" is dangerous in some way, how does it become safe by being put in the hold? Inability to carry car keys with remote controls will cause some grief too!
Banning duty free spirits would be a good thing anyway - imagine what damage a few bottles of burning spirits could do in a toilet ceiling. Pax could buy their spirits on arrival at duty free instead.
On the laptops issue, I have to say that my experience must be much better than everybody else's - I usually check everything in except for in-flight reading matter, my camera and my flying logbook and licences (if I'm travelling with them); I've yet to lose anything. But, for those who have had a problem, it's probably a very safe assumption that the level of police supervision of the checked-in baggage, during the current fun and games, will be really quite tight indeed!
In the meantime, I'm going to believe that this was genuine, necessary, the threat was real and that even if today wasn't the terrorists planned operational day, it had to be assumed that they might have a backup "go now" plan if part of the gang were rumbled. So, on that basis well done the good guys.
Now my own tiny note of discord. If these precautions have got to continue for long (which I hope isn't the case), please airlines could we have a decent supply of reading matter, pens and scribbling paper on board - or I'll go mad on a long trip!
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Politicians are making and controlling the news on this one and you can bet that Blair and the Labour Party are spinning this new threat in a fashion that suits their own agenda.
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When the skies are cleared of all air traffic for 3-4 days (as it was post 911 and would be if aircraft started to fall out of the skies) due to the hand baggage restrictions, I will concede you have a point.
The 9/11 aircraft did not explode in middair, to refresh your memory, they were flown into buildings killing many thousands, a completely different situation, that's why the US locked down the airspace.
You are making an illogical point and I am not going to waste anymore bandwith arguing with you.
BTW, Heathrow is now closed to incoming flights for your info.
The 9/11 aircraft did not explode in middair, to refresh your memory, they were flown into buildings killing many thousands, a completely different situation, that's why the US locked down the airspace.
You are making an illogical point and I am not going to waste anymore bandwith arguing with you.
BTW, Heathrow is now closed to incoming flights for your info.