'Bog' standard Ryanair

[PAXboy]

On a forthcoming trip to Berlin - where my fare is to be paid by others - I suggested Air Berlin from Stanstead even though it is an awkward drive to get there and no direct train service. My hosts suggested to go Out on AB and Back on Ryan, in order to get the best blend of schedules and cost for themselves. I agreed the total cost of the fares.

When I booked, I booked with BA from LHR. There is a slight increase in cost for me and I shall gladly pay that from my own pocket - even though it will come out of my fee for the trip. Had they agreed to AB on both sectors, then I would have used them but I will not go on FR.

Yes, I know that BA has it's own problems (Glasgow maintenance thread etc.) as they chase down the dark alleyway trying to catch the shadowy figure of MoL, but I would rather have problems with BA than with FR.

[slim_slag]

Originally Posted by 10secondsurvey

I just cannot believe that intelligent people actually pay good money to fly with Ryanair

Here we go again, putting down people who choose to spend their own money how they want. Plenty of clever people choose to fly FR and their is no need to insult their intelligence for doing so.

[Skyflier]

Originally Posted by The Real Slim Shady

Oh dear, cheap tickets, on time service, modern aircraft.........no bog paper??
I went to Rome last week: £75 return. On time. Read my book, had a glass of wine. No worries.
Got off. Came home 3 days later.On time.

I went the week before, £72 return - stayed four days midweek, on time, read a newspaper that was provided, had several glasses of wine, two coffees, a sandwich and a cake each way - on AZ, LHR-FCO.

[bealine]

Plenty of clever people choose to fly FR and their is no need to insult their intelligence for doing so.

I would argue that point!

There have been so many reported incidents where Ryanair has compromised safety that "clever" people avoid Ryanair with the proverbial 24 foot bargepole!

[slim_slag]

What, reports like you read on anonymous bulletin boards which appear to be from pissed off employees who think they aren't paid enough? Come on. Channel 4 recently tried to find juicy stuff on Ryanair and came up with nothing, you should have called them with your tips, it would have made the programme at least half interesting. The reports you need to take notice of come from organisations like the NTSB or the AAIB. There have recently been some very critical ones come out of the latter. Pots and Kettles .......

[bealine]

I assure you, slim slag, these reports have nothing to do with bulletin boards and everything to do with the CAA!

There have been numerous occasions when the CAA has issued warnings to Ryanair over its scant regard for aviation safety. (Unfortunately, because FR is Irish registered, the CAA only has limited powers, and nothing so far has been serious enough to ground them.)

One of the most serious instances involved Ryanair pilots regularly crying wolf over falsely declaring "low fuel" warnings in order to jump the queue for landing, putting other aircraft and passengers at risk.

Indeed, slim slag, you either have a short memory or selective memory when it comes to the Channel 4 documentary - there were heaps of safety breaches, including fatigued crews flying (when at a legacy carrier they would legitimately have stood down from flying duty). However, none so serious as to warrant grounding!

The success of Ryanair has nothing to do with O'Leary's business acumen, but everything to do with Osama Bin Laden and bringing the legacy carriers to their knees after 09/11!

I hope I am wrong, but most of us at the "legacy" carriers feel the same way - Ryanair is not a safe or secure airline.

[Rwy in Sight]

A couple of issues bealine here. I remember an CEO or something similar of a loco to state that one accident would put them straight out of business and it was their interest not to have one - far more than an established carrier. Having said that I understand that small stuff (slightly tired crews and jumping a queu (sp?) would /might lead to a major issue.

About the thread could the lack of toilet paper might be a cost cut idea as not to have to empty the toilets so often?

Rwy in Sight

[bealine]

Rwy in Sight - I concede that it is not in the interests of the LoCos to have any major incidents. Equally, there is a major difference between cutting and controlling costs, which EasyJet, SouthWest, Air SouthWest etc do and cutting safety margins which Ryanair frequently attempts to do! (Including, at the moment, trying to persuade Boeing to reduce the 737 maintainance recommendations!)

I wouldn't have thought RYR could cut the toilet emptying service any more than they have already! The "honey wagon" is only called out when absolutely necessary as it is - and it won't be pressed into service at all if O'Leary gets his 25 minute turnarounds!

[Rwy in Sight]

Bealine thank you for your input.


Isn't there a cost associated with carrying a day's worth of sewage around instead of emptying after 2 or 4 sectors when the a/c returns to its base?

Rwy in Sight

[PAXboy]

Rwy in Sight

... of a loco to state that one accident would put them straight out of business and it was their interest not to have one.

Indeed that is so, no one sets out to have a prang - but prangs do occur. I think it is correct that, in the early days of a carrier, then a prang would finish them - but RYR is now big enough that they could easily survive a prang, even a hull loss with all on board. Their 'cheap' fares and the law of averages will keep them in business even after that happens.

[slim_slag]

Oh bealine, you do like sailing close to the wind. I don't believe you for a minute. But even if Ryanair do what you claim, I bet the pilots know exactly how much usable fuel they have on board when they ask ATC for priority handling. Pots and kettles?

[bealine]

Safety Investigation at Ryanair

15 February 2006

The French government is reported as saying that it would consult with civil-aviation authorities in Ireland and the United Kingdom over allegations made in a television documentary that Irish airline Ryanair Holdings PLC has been lax in respecting safety rules.

The Transport Minister said he asked the French civil-aviation authority DGAC to get in touch with its Irish and U.K. counterparts on the matter.

The documentary alleged Ryanair has been guilty of lapses in safety standards and that its staff is overworked and undertrained. Ryanair has rejected the allegations.

Source: The Wall Street Journal, 15 February 2006

Investigations are continuing

[CARR30]

Perben asked the DGAC to follow up on the Channel 4 documentary 7 months ago "d'avoir un échange de vues rapide avec les autorités irlandaises et britanniques de l'aviation civile sur la prise en compte par cette compagnie (i.e. FR) des normes de sécurité".
Given the weakness of the Channel 4 case and the minister's request for 'vues rapide', I think we can assume that "investigations are continuing" - not

[blueplume]

As brupax said, most passengers seem to turn into animals as soon as they set foot on an aircraft. Doesn't matter wheteher they paid tuppence-haypenny or £100 to fly, they treat the a/c and staff like ****. We all know that seat-back pockets are actually provided to hold information cards and puke bags, not mountains of crap the pax produce. I have had passengers hand me full puke bags demanding that I take them. I told them what they could do with it and to grow up. Pax behave like children because they think that they don't need their brain anymore because the crew will do all the thinking for them and keep them safe and warm and fed. Like babies really. Amazing what people ask for and expect. They forget that they pay to be transported from A-B out of the wind, the rest is provided out of common courtesy and a requirement for a certain amount of crowd control.

[10secondsurvey]

Blueplume

I'm thinking you didn't mean to post this here? Maybe in Cabin crew/Jetblast?

But anyway, as you have posted, do let us know which airline you work for, so we can all avoid it.

[Avman]

Hopefully blueplume works for RYR. He/She and the idiots that fly RYR fully deserve each other!!!

Edited to insert blueplume iso of 10secondsurvey

[CARR30]

Avman
Why accuse '10secondsurvey' of being deserving of the company of 'idiots', just for pointing out that 'blueplume' may have been posting on the wrong forum?
Not only that, but surely all 35 million of last year's RYR passengers can't all have been idiots.
This is becoming unnecessarily rude.

[Avman]

My full apologies to 10secondsurvey. In my haste I used the wrong name. My "rude" remark was intended for blueplume! Let me quantify why I think people flying RYR are idiots. It's because I firmly believe that by supporting RYR they're not contributing to cheaper air travel, but they are contributing to bringing a once proud and professional industry to it's knees and eliminating the enjoyment of air travel. If I wanted to travel by bus at bus prices, I'd get a bus - not want to fly in one! Mrs Avman is a former FA and she provided a service, including taking barf bags off sick pax.

[Globaliser]

Originally Posted by blueplume

They forget that they pay to be transported from A-B out of the wind, the rest is provided out of common courtesy and a requirement for a certain amount of crowd control.

Yes, blueplume, please do tell us which airline you work for.

The airlines that I choose to fly on provide cabin crew services (including removal of used sick bags) as part of their promised product, not out of the mere courtesy of those they employ.

[CARR30]

So there we have it. Not only are the millions of RYR passengers 'idiots', they turn out to be as gormless as the the millions of paupers who use busses.
How we all long for the glory days of the national flag carriers, when oiks simply couldn't afford to get airside.
I'm sure we'll all be a lot happier when the great unwashed get back on their bikes.