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DrongoDriver 20th Feb 2017 21:16

Air Ambo Incident - Essendon 21/02/17
 
An Air Ambo plane has just gone down off the end of 17 into the DFO. Fingers crossed for all onboard.

josephfeatherweight 20th Feb 2017 21:18

Crash at YMEN
 
Just hearing news of an accident at YMEN - apparently Air Ambulance King Air.
May have hit shops. Doesn't look good... Thoughts to those involved.

Pearly White 20th Feb 2017 21:20

King Air down at Essendon?
 
ABC Radio reporting black smoke from DFO and witnesses claiming they have seen an air ambulance, possibly a King Air, crash immediately after takeoff.

Car RAMROD 20th Feb 2017 21:20

EN crash?
 
Mods delete please, other threads started.

Pilotette 20th Feb 2017 21:23


Originally Posted by Car RAMROD (Post 9682510)
Mods delete please, other threads started.

Reports are an Air Ambulance Kingair with 5 POB into the DFO, not good!

Sunfish 20th Feb 2017 21:26

Media reports came in about 5 min ago. Tullamarine freeway closed. Images with lots of black smoke suggests something bigger than a warrior:(

compressor stall 20th Feb 2017 21:26

https://twitter.com/JimmyTraffic has some "info"

Car RAMROD 20th Feb 2017 21:28

Bloody hell.

There's differing reports as to whether it's an ambo or a charter/non ambo plane.

Opso92 20th Feb 2017 21:32

Reports of engine failure at around 100ft D: D:

Desert Flower 20th Feb 2017 21:42


Originally Posted by Car RAMROD (Post 9682521)
Bloody hell.

There's differing reports as to whether it's an ambo or a charter/non ambo plane.

They're saying now it wasn't an air ambulance, it was a charter aircraft on its way to King Island. I'm thinking it could be ZCR.

DF.

Car RAMROD 20th Feb 2017 21:42

Ambulance Vic have stated its not their aircraft.

DJ737 20th Feb 2017 21:43

Possibly VH-ZCR

Pilotette 20th Feb 2017 21:43

Yeah that's what they're saying now DF and that the pilot called MAYDAY engine failure. Terrible

logansi 20th Feb 2017 21:52

Yes appears to be VH-ZCR from FlightRadar24. I was at MEL, clearly audible and visible explosion - thought it was a commercial out of here at first.

RodH 20th Feb 2017 21:52

Five-passenger plane crashes near Melbourne's Essendon Airport - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

fujii 20th Feb 2017 21:58

200 metres from my front door and pointing approximately in my direction.

Car RAMROD 20th Feb 2017 22:05

Trying to find the video again but in one of the aerial clips I've seen there was a part that looked like a King Air horizontal stab. But only very little remaining of it.

The Australian now reporting 5 confirmed dead :(

DrongoDriver 20th Feb 2017 22:11

ZCR which went in. Looks like engine failure after takeoff, yaw to the left then cartwheeled in. No survivors unfortunately.

SenZubEanS 20th Feb 2017 22:21

They are not saying confirmed, they are saying feared. Im sure we can all draw the final conclusion but lets not go making incorrect statements on the matter.

jack11111 20th Feb 2017 22:32

ABC (Australian) News Radio wall to wall coverage at this time.

Ixixly 20th Feb 2017 22:33

SenZubEanS, news reporting that Police have confirmed 5 casualties unfortunately.

Absolutely tragedy, hearts out to all those affected. And to all those affected never be afraid to put your hand up and count yourself out for the day, you're only human and this sort of thing can hit home pretty hard for us all, look after yourselves.

logansi 20th Feb 2017 22:33

Most channels do, defiantly the largest air incident in Melbourne in a while.

Car RAMROD 20th Feb 2017 22:34

Sen, it probably shows how the 'instant news' we have today may not always be correct.
The Aus's twit feed says "the Victorian government has confirmed...."

Victa Bravo 20th Feb 2017 22:56

Can someone discuss the OEI characteristics of a B300 with 5 on board. What's its performance like? Particularly on TO

tartare 20th Feb 2017 23:02

I have the same question.
Not drawing conclusions or speculating - just asking.
EFATO at 100 feet scenario in a twin turboprop like the Kingair- would have thought that'd be a nightmare situation...

440 20th Feb 2017 23:03

Ok if it was ZCR then it was a B200 not a B300. Even at MTOW the B200 would perform very well OEI. No problems meeting the climb gradients required using SL ISA. Not sure of the conditions during the departure but my assumption is that they would not have been too extreme and therefore I would contend that the B200 would have no trouble climbing out OEI in those conditions.

A B300 would do even better.

Both have autofeather systems and rudder boost, all to reduce pilot workload.

Noeyedear 20th Feb 2017 23:05

Performance
 
With the dead engine's propeller feathered and the gear up, there should be plenty of performance.

Given the phase of flight, the gear may have still been down at the point of failure, so its then speculation as to whether it was selected up and whether the auto-feather worked.

Have a google of "Advance Airlines" "Sydney" "Auto feather". They don't go too well with a windmilling prop.

Sincere condolences to all.

john_tullamarine 20th Feb 2017 23:06

Some B200 info for those interested. Not the POH but it has some info.

Car RAMROD 20th Feb 2017 23:10

S/E performance of a B200 (did you mean to say 200? Or was it actually a 300?) is quite good.

Max weight they'll fly away on 1 with a failure without a struggle.

A bit does depend on whether or not the takeoff is conducted with or without flap, and at what point the failure occurs.

Testing the memory, but the FAR 25 (?) performance numbers, on a fully-equipped Raisebck machine you can lose one at V1 and climb away.

Brutus 20th Feb 2017 23:10

Would it be true to say that when flying the King Air, there is a difference between liftoff speed and take off safety speed?

I seem to recall there is a short period of time after takeoff when a King Air is vulnerable to engine failure as it is below Vmca (Vtoss?). I believe this is mitigated by fitment of rudder-boost, but not totally alleviated.

Can anyone elaborate?

Condolences and thoughts to the families involved.

compressor stall 20th Feb 2017 23:13

B200 Performance.
 
Don't wax too lyrical about B200 performance.

I haven't run the numbers or know the conditions, but it is possible that there was not enough runway to stop at which point there not enough airspeed to get anywhere. It's a certification thing. Plenty of info out there.

MickG0105 20th Feb 2017 23:21

Not suggesting there's any link or relationship but Aircraft Accident Investigation Report into crash of Beech Super King Air 200 VH-AAV after left engine failure on take-off can be found here for those interested.

david1300 20th Feb 2017 23:21

News reports saying 5 golfers on the way to King Island. What a very sad event, and thoughts with all the families affected.

PoppaJo 20th Feb 2017 23:22

Having a look at the pics appears that we're heading down the highway? Bulla Rd would be an issue in a large twin due to the trees and lightpoles, I was always advised to head down the freeway if you couldn't make a turn onto 08.

http://i68.tinypic.com/v4vskl.jpg

Ixixly 20th Feb 2017 23:26

Poppa, I get the feeling the poor guy didn't have much of a chance to do anything unfortunately.

jack11111 20th Feb 2017 23:31

METAR's, please.

dogcharlietree 20th Feb 2017 23:32

If the news reports are correct re a wheel being found on the freeway, then I respectfully suggest that the gear may still have been down. RIP.

RU4Real 20th Feb 2017 23:34

Just watching News24 and overhead camera shots of roof appear to show tin roof with propeller strikes.
I could be wrong.
How very sad for all involved.
My heart goes out to all affected by this

david1300 20th Feb 2017 23:34

Channel 9 has an "aviation expert" from Monash University (sounded like they gave the name as Prof Greg Bamber) prattling on about the King Air being a "single engine aircraft" :ugh::ugh:

desmotronic 20th Feb 2017 23:41

METAR YMEN 210030Z AUTO 23005KT 200V270 9999 // SCT035 18/08 Q1021
RMK RF00.0/000.0


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