I would imagine that they would only have CVR on that year model if anything. The more current model B200/250 are starting to be equipped with ADAS and FAST that will give the aircraft the big brother capabilities of what your mate is talking about.

Don't shoot me because I know little about turbo props.....how would a multiple bird strike affect the engines?

Watching the ATSB press conference and hearing this was a little off-putting, it does seem like a hugely broad (and in this context) irresponsible statement to make.

This video shows the orignal dashcam footage and continues a little later showing the plume of smoke.
Looks like the driver has proceeded straight at the lights and into DFO then u-turned to head back out and catch the plume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilYVNRO0reQ

A PT6 has a few twists and turns plus a mesh inlet screen before you get to any real critical areas so from an engine point of view there shouldn't be much of an issue.

I don't think you can question the video. No aircraft should be flying across Bulla Rd at that height.....

Take a look at the attached. it's taken from Google Maps. it's roughly the same location the footage was taken.

"clearly visible"

if it wasn't for that big high wall completely blocking view

Maybe got fueled with petrol by mistake?

Turbines can run on "petrol".

Yes will run, but will be way down on power unless fuel density slection has been changed. When you run a turbine on petrol fuel flow increase is large.

Those dash cams usually have a wide angle view 140° so comparing the car footage with a google earth image the field of view is more narrow approx 70°. I presume the footage has been cropped then enlarged giving the poorer image quality. It is possible the smoke was captured but edited out. Car cams film continuously.

One report says the Kingair underwent some level of maintenance only 5 or 6 hrs prior to the fatal flight. Could there be a clue here?
I've know I've seen an article that stated if you are going to have mechanical failure, it will be within a short time after the wrench-benders have been at it.

Not putting any particular blame on wrench operators overall, I personally believe they are 99.99% hard-working and conscientious people - but we are talking human intervention in the nuts and bolts of a machine, and with that, comes the possibility of human error.

I have never forgotten the story of the mission aircraft in PNG that went down with all hands due to an in-flight engine fire - and it was caused by the engineer failing to properly tighten a fuel fitting, because he was distracted by a phone call in the middle of tightening the fuel line.

Maybe. Maybe not. From the video the aircraft doesn't appear to stall. Nevertheless, provided the correct airspeed is maintained, this could be consistent with one engine inoperative, both engines inoperative, partial power loss, or a combination of the three. In other words we'll just have to wait for the report to find out, but nothing I've seen we preclude a misidentification. Thoughts?

Very well done Ben Morgan, that was an excellent interview :D


It makes me sick when I hear the government and airfield operators crapping on about how airfields are all about safety and the commercial developments have all been approved by the ATSB and CASA, blah, blah, blah....
Well the chickens have come home to roost now haven't they. These poor peoples fates were sealed years ago by the greedy developers, and government officials who have allowed seemingly unfettered development to occur, and continue to occur at airfields all over the country.


Its pure speculation as to whether the outcome would have been any different if the DFO wasn't there, but it certainly didn't help!


Clearly something went drastically wrong, and at the absolute worst possible time either just at or after the point of rotation. Speculating further on the cause is probably a waste of time, so hopefully those investigating can get to the bottom of it, and do a decent job of the report this time.


Ps I trust the poster at #114 sees fit to acknowledge Ben Morgan's effort this time after the pasting he gave him on an earlier effort! Credit where credit's due as they say!

Incorrect on every count. From the aircraft's training manual,

Toruk Macto
 

You can watch it here. Good interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDlI5IsSHw0

If you are a journalist reading this thread do some due diligence on the how the people responsible for our aviation infrastructure have been squeezing blood from a stone in the name of greed and profit.

The squeeze isnt just at Essendon and it has been happening since the first airfield was built. The Partenavia crash years ago off Runway 26 at Essendon killed 4 children their mother and grandmother.

DFO should never have been permitted where it is.

Tullamarine's original plans for two runways have been sold out to developers and the squeeze is on there too.

What about a crash off either 34 at Sydney? How will that go?



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Yes, what would happen if a Jumbo crashed into a kindergarten..??
CAsA have expressed grave concerns as to this event for years... and that only related to a PA 32.!
Fear not, the "Regulator" will stop this happening.

Let's not get carried away.......it's impossible to have empty paddocks for miles around airports.......accident will happen......

Yep, that's exactly what I thought when I saw it. It's not the accident aircraft at all. Fooled lots of people, it seems.

Nice to see the TV 'journalists' were keeping busy pestering passengers at Essendon Airport today....do they stop people in car parks in the days after a fatality on the roads to ask what their thoughts are on driving home?

Dashcam footage is from on Bulla Road looking North, Not on Tullamarine freeway looking West.
See this longer version. Very enlightening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilYVNRO0reQ

I think you guys are the ones that have been fooled. :ooh:

That footage is the real McCoy. It is certainly NOT of an aircraft on final to RWY 35.

The visual distortions by the dash cam have changed the apparent angles and distances, that is all.

At the beginning of 0ttoL video the car is positioned here travelling North.

Unless you are talking about a completely different video, there is no way the aircraft in the ones posted on here is making an approach to 35.

As the previous poster says, the vehicle is traveling NNW on Bulla Rd (Heading about 330-340). You can see the Tulla freeway pass underneath at about the 14 second mark. The 35 threshold would be just to the left of and beyond the yellow RSEA Safety building in the distance.
The lack of definition of the aircraft gives it the visual impression it is travelling perpendicular to the vehicle but as has been pointed out earlier, it is actually tracking SE and struck the roof of DFO on a heading of about 120.

10 out of 10 for Ben Morgan! :D

Media coverage from this angle needs far more exposure than it gets...!

Journalists, it's an opportunity to make some politicians and developers squirm. It is a nationwide issue and the spotlight has been flicked on by this event - get out there and ask some hard questions!

Remember the complaints about the turbulence caused in the touchdown area of 35 at YSCB by the stonking big hangar placed in wrong place? Solution? Just put a warning in ERSA! I suppose it is, at least, a hangar, with a legitimate function on an airport. But it was positioned in the wrong spot, so as not to take up valuable office carpark space.

I reckon the DFOs built on what used to be open space within the boundaries of YSCB will provide a good arrestor hook for a jet with a catastrophic engine failure and blown tyres. Let's hope the DFO at YSCB is as empty as the one at YMEN if that happens.

Hearing the DFO is owned by ex casa chap.???

Just curious, but does anyone here know what the DFO building was used for prior to the sale of the the airport to private owners?

DF.

It was open space. There was no building.

That's the point.

When DFO was even considered no one gave the plans to aviation industry.
First question that pops to mind is, what about the mechanical turbulence it would
produce in a strong south wester when 26 is in use. It would rock you
around during the approach and flare.

It was built as a DFO as far as I'm aware.
Certainly didn't exist when I was there as a controller in the 90's.

don't think so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Factory_Outlets

You do what the operators of YSCB did: Put a warning about it in ERSA!

Fact is that so far as the operators of these privatised airports are concerned, the runways and the aircraft are just an irritant they'd prefer not to have to deal with as it distracts from their main game: property development.

It's like any major Airport in Australia, a shopping centre with the occasional Aircraft movement.....
Aircraft operations take a back seat to shops in the terminal....

Are you absolutely 100% sure about that? I have been told otherwise.

DF.

From Wiki,Great business model, not.

I'm a 100% sure there were no buildings in that location in 1945.

What years are you talking about, DF? Are you suggesting there were substantial buildings in that location before privatisation?

Desert Flower.. If there was infrastructure in that location years ago..was it 'aviation' infrastructure or 'non-aviation' infrastructure?

One of the reasons airport operators / airport leasing companies in Australia are able to convince external entities to 'invest' in property development 'on-airport' (or within the confines the airport boundary) is that they are not required to pay state or local government taxes and rates..why?..because the airports are leased from the Commonwealth, that is they are on 'Commonwealth land', so are exempt from local and state taxes/rates which the the surrounding land, immediately adjacent to the airport are subject to.

Recall there was a small compound in that area on what was the old extension of Bulla Rd.
I can't recall what it was for - airport maintenance type equipment maybe.
They were only small buildings. Still not the sort of thing you would want to hit but nothing like the massive DFO complex.


Found something here from 1996. Taken from the 08 end.

Fairfax Photos - Aerial shot of Essendon Airport,