End result,welcome to qantas the virtual airline run by lap top managers.

any news on yesterdays meeting ?

Didnt think there were any more till after WYD week.

one more legal tidbit
 

If your manager refuses to put in writing that he will doc you 4 hours normal pay for engaging in industrial action if you do not work overtime after shift, fill in a stat dec and include all relevant information, list all people present, and have it signed by a JP.

......too easy!!

I would just like to add,
When I was with QF I had several, what they called talks,attitude adjustments,which I must say, they were total amateurish at this game, but on one occasion I was marched into a room with 2 dmm,s or as we now call them scabs,with my trustee union rep in toe and as the steam was still coming from these two idiots noses they were informed that we were going to record this meeting with a electronic recorder.
At this time a camera would of been handy to capture there very blank(what do we do now look) expressions on there faces as they had no idea as what to do. They asked for a break straight away and had to ring the next boss up the chain for guidance.This official talked was immediately reduced to a friendly chat and QF under no circumstance wanted the information taped.
Always tell them you want to record the meeting, they hate it, as they have no out if you bring up the context in future, and they also are put in a position where they won't threaten you.

MIT
 

what time do the boys at melbourne international finish at night, see the qf9 isn't sched to depart until 1.15am at the earliest, i thought they finish at 1? might be a good oppotunity for some spotting to see who's loyal or not and those who stay back.....

Recording Meetings
 

Dont know what the story is in NSW but in QLD it is legal to record a conversation as long as ONE party to the conversation (ie you) knows the recording is happening. You dont have to advise the other party that they are being recorded at all. Up here you'll find that 90% of the QLD police will record their conversation with you whenever they pull you up for speeding ticket etc and you will never know.

Reliability & flexibilities
 

Well done to all QF management.
QF these days seem to be consistently hovering around a dispatch reliability number of 50%
This could explain the company's interest in wanting two more meetings next week even though they say they won,t hold talks with groups taking industrial action.
I,m told the new financial year has renewed the companies enthusiasm for a resolution .
On another note. Did a Brissy dock Lame cop 4 hours pay docking for not entering a fuel tank ? This would be very ironic since the guys just voted in the flexibilities agreement .
Well done to Ame,s who rejected the document I bet Big Nose was shocked to learn you blokes also count

MIT
 

Not there so not exactly sure however as has happened in the past the MIT boys go home at 0100 as per shift, the respective DMM's round up any suitably endorsed 744 people from MDT and together with the MIT DMM, who looks after any deficiencies in LAP's, area famils. etc, they then depart the A/C.

One potential complication can be if the MIT DMM is not 744/MA endorsed and an avionics defect pops up as the MDT 744 boys are all mechanical.:E

Oh bugger!:D

Ame,s Stand Up And Be Counted!!!
 

CONGRATULATIONS BOYS FOR A FINE EXAMPLE OF UNITY TODAY! 80% VOTE AGAINST THE FLEXIBILITIES. Someone had to stand up and show these jokers that we mean business and wont be pushed around. brisbane managemnt are really smart standing down a LAME 2 days after getting their support for these flexibilities, and at that, a LAME who is a Team Leader of a workshop with militant AMWU AME,s, real clever Biff!! Have got to say though, if not for the fantastic work of AMWU delo,s like JS and SC this could nearly have got up, QF managemnet have to understand that flexibilities are not free, no one in their right Mind would agree to open up an agreement and put in their biggest bargaining chip for nothing, stop treating the AME,s like second class citizens, just because your IR manangers cant deal with more than one union at a time! MAINTAIN THE RAGE BROTHERS

4 flights didn't go tonight - 3 of them were 747s!!!

QF063 to JNB (744)
QF011 to LAX (744)
QF021 to NRT (A330)
QF577 to PER (743)

If those flights are full, that's well over 1300 pax!!!! I'm surprised the papers aren't making a bigger deal of this...

We are happy for papers to not be talking about these days where there are a large number of delays. It is almost as if this has now become a normal day and is no longer newsworthy.

"the circus"
 

QF Badboy, I honestly wonder if big nose even knows what day it is, he is a puppet with strings and wouldnt know how to manage a whore house. Dixons letter for commitment to A330,s aint ganna save this hangar, the only thing that will save it is to get rid of big nose and Biff and get some real managemnt in, the facility operates only for the fact of its great check co ordinators, LAMES and AME,s that keep it afloat and show " flexibilities" on a daily basis without having it shoved down their throught by some over paid, over the hill industrial relations consultant...

AME,s stand up
 

Congrats to all AME,s today for the fantastic result on the flexibilities vote, 80% voted against the resolution! we all know the management have done a fantastic job of building the trust amongst the boys in the last few weeks, especially by standing down a LAME for a genuine safety issue!! Great job by the AMWU delos for presentation, JS, SC,
Who knows, we might all be bargaining together at the end of the year if the ALAEA EBA is still being fought, strength in numbers...

Big Nose cannot understand why the flexi**** was voted down. Here's a few reasons.

1)There was sweet FA in it for sheeties, composites, painters and planning personnel.

2)He was expecting to open an EBA and to put the flexi**** clause into it. He would not give a guarantee that when the time came to start negotiating the next EBA, he would not have more **** sandwiches.

3)THE DAY BEFORE THE VOTE HE DOCKED THE LEADING HAND OF THE SHEETIES FOR REFUSING TO GO INTO A FUEL TANK.

Some more points.

1)LAME's voted yes to the flexi**** because they were offered type course training spots.

2)Sparkys voted yes (only just by a few votes) because the were offered a couple of training spots (less that what mech AME's were offered I may add)

BOTH these two groups have EBA's that are under negotiation and have been for over 18 months. Maybe members of their unions are fed up with the buggery on the part of the company in their negotiations.

Bet those unions that said yes will expect something in return. They have this opportunity because they are negotiating. Sadly, the AME's don't have that opportunity. Bet the company gives them more **** sandwiches. These managers are pathetic and never learn from their mistakes. By offering them nothing the big nose has started a war with the AME's now. I don't think they will be too friendly when they start talking about their next EBA. Even more people taking PIA perhapps?

100%
 

nas 1801, your spot on with your comments, these jokers have been pulling our chain since november 2006, about 2 months after settling the AME,s EBA, qantas come back asking for these flexibilities, they have had ample time to put on the table a fair dinkum offer for the AME,s to accept this "**** sandwich". they thought they had it sorted cause of the amount of contractors in the place and because the LAME,s voted it up. They were wrong!!! their worst vice against them is their reputation, THEY LIE. They have done the AME,s over with their RDO,s since the last agreement, forcing them to take them on mid week days while the LAME,s get free pick whenever they like. as you pointed out, they offered nothing for the other trades, unfortunately for them this makes up the majority numbers, They deserve everything they get. also to be noted is the IR management cancelled all meetings scheduled for next week for the classification review cause of a dispute with the boys in tullamarine about P.E,s which is nothing to do with the BNE boys, bad move qantas.... that put the icing on the sandwich

KEEP THE RAGE

Don't tire of the battle, maintain focus and resolve, the enemy is waiting for you to drop your guard, he sees you sleeping on watch and senses that you think the battle has been long and you are wanting to rest, he will never rest because he is fighting for his life, you need to reform your ranks and make a new charge at the enemy when he is not expecting it.

The battle is not won yet

I see little to no new comments being posted and hope that this is not a reflection of the sentiment of the the majority. Time is definitely on your side but don't sleep on the job.

Victory is at hand.

Vorsta,
I am so pissed with these lying pack of ***ts
that I want to just hit the grass.
My resolve is now 100% up on what it was
when this started.
I look at management now with pure hatred!

MAINTAIN the RAGE
is now my life motto when it comes to QF

Hey Vortsa, do you have music with that battle cry?:rolleyes:

No time for words just choose sides
No fear cause no one can hide
No room to keep this inside
I'm on the front line yelling out the battle cry

I'm sick of waiting and hearing this instigation
It's time to take over the station (and get y'all pissed off)
It's like my patience it's worse then the situation
So I keep a straight face and scream (all you all get lost)
It's not society nah, can't beat sobriety
Something inside of me is keeping me down
It's cause you lie to me and take away my privacy
I used to stay quiet but look at me now


(No!) I won't calm down
(No!) I won't put my fire arm down
(Hell no!) We're either leaving here or fightin'
Or we're writin' some new rules and I'm doing the writin'
Who are you to govern me, how could you govern
If you got no f#ck!n' love for me
I see the love but I don't see it's brotherly
Ya love to rape me, hate me, smother me
So I'm gonna be steppin' with my Armageddon
Weapon I'll wet 'em and let 'em
Step again Armageddon weapon will wet 'em step again


I used to stay quiet but look at me now
I could have sworn I heard the battle cry
I thought I heard the battle cry
I could have sworn I heard the battle cry