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wanty 19th Jun 2008 11:25

New QF policy just released in private qf notes.

"Though shalt not :mad: up again" , till the next time. lol:ok:

up2us 19th Jun 2008 11:27

I hope everyone is letting Kevin Brown know how hard we are working. I wonder if he is bombarded with the truth he may rethink if has been getting told the truth by M.H and D.C etc..

Flugbegleiter 19th Jun 2008 11:29


Originally Posted by not4thefainthearted (Post 4190438)
As an outsider looking in and reading a lot of your posts, it seems that this dispute is not so much about money but about getting square with a management that can't relate to its employees without a rule book in one hand and a big stick in the other. Thank John Howard for bringing back pre conciliation/arbitration days. Is your federal secretary, the small union representative on the ACTU , bringing this to the governments attention.
Where's Julia Gilliard at the moment. I would think that the Labor party would be all over this dispute saying why this country needs a return to a proper Industrial system not one stuck in the 19th century.
Stick to it fella's this is about restoring a fair balance of power in the work place.

Spot on, not4thefainthearted. Just reading over the last few pages (100?) it is obvious that the 5% is really a minor issue. This dispute has happened because the staff have lost faith in the management. It is almost a mutiny. And fair enough, too!

But that leaves me questioning the following statement in the Bloomberg article posted earlier, quoting SP:


``It's about the money,'' Purvinas said. ``We are almost in agreement about work conditions but Qantas said they won't negotiate while we have action planned.''
It's not really just "about the money" now, is it? That is maybe something symbolic, but if you guys were all really happy and being treated well, with respect, as adults, then maybe the 2% difference wouldn't matter so much.

I still wonder what will happen if you get the 5%, but nothing else changes: Management stays the same, procedures remain the same, etc, etc. There really needs to be a total change of management to fix this problem. I sincerely hope that occurs.

wanty 19th Jun 2008 11:41

Board will revolt when QF shares touch $3.00
My prediction only.

I heard they are bringing T**mey in to run the show.Fair enough he killed Ansett quickly,but it is better than one nail at a time.

1me 19th Jun 2008 11:45

This whole scenario just gets better doesn't it? I don't understand why they hate us so much. It's not like we go out at the drop of a hat... rather we have bent over backwards for a company who thinks that we are the most overpaid scum of the earth.

10 years ago I could have easily seen myself retiring at this company. I would have gone more than the extra mile to help out.. But how things have changed! I can just about guarantee I will not be retiring at Qantas. I can also just about guarantee that the days of me going the extra mile to help the company out have just about faded into obscurity.

This once proud airline is all but bereft of integrity. The amount of expertise and experience that they have let walk (or more correctly; pushed) out the door is almost criminal. And yet they ride a reputation for safety that we, and our forebears, have created; all the while undermining the very foundation that they stand on.

I think it's great that we are finally doing something constructive. And while I don't always understand the reasoning for suggested action, I do trust the leadership of this executive and they have my full support. I am also glad to see that us LAME's are sticking together and not buckling under pressure from those who seek to devalue and belittle us.

I wonder how many phone calls KB has received this evening?

Millet Fanger 19th Jun 2008 11:51

wanty
 
Do you mean the Board is going to revolt tomorrow? The way the share price is falling, that's when it will be.

Can't wait!

wanty 19th Jun 2008 11:52

Purely and simply they hate us for this reason and this reason only.


We will not be kicked in the teeth or asked to bend over, look back and smile any longer.They see our actions as a threat NOT to shareholder interests,but as a THREAT to the bonuses they won't recieve, if spoils are shared with the people who helped create them, we the employees.

acslame 19th Jun 2008 11:53

Can someone post the "leaked email " for numbskull and all to see?

Next time a QF manager tells a lie to the public lets give 72hrs notice to the
company and name the manager and the statement as the reason why!!

Go slow? 4HRS for you KB.
130k a year ? 4HRS for you GD
Bugger campaign? well no 4HRS for you DH, that was actually the truth!

The turnstiles would be smoking the way management lie!
The ALAEA would need to notify when we were at work!

wanty 19th Jun 2008 11:56


Originally Posted by Millet Fanger (Post 4190580)
Do you mean the Board is going to revolt tomorrow? The way the share price is falling, that's when it will be.

Can't wait!


Look at QF sh... pr... over a fairly long period and you will see it hasn't been this low for a long time,call it support level. This breaks and all sorts of bells and whistles will blow in LARGE shareholder ears.
Watch the fireworks then.

July 4 approaching.:ok:

UP D Date 19th Jun 2008 12:04

'Oh dear', you can hear MH sigh, if only I'd made the big Dick redundant when I had the chance, only a few short months ago during my roster debacle.......:ugh:

UP D Date 19th Jun 2008 12:18

Maybe they could make him a CSM!!!!:ok:

PerBro 19th Jun 2008 12:22

Perbro
 
"CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE........."
CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.........."
LOVE THAT ONE,WELCOME TO PERTH KENNETH!
WATCH OUT DONT WANT TO GET CAUGHT WITH OUR
PANTS DOWN DO WE?

BUGGA:sad:

Anulus Filler 19th Jun 2008 12:27

You don't get a nickname like BIG DICK from not being one. Everyone knows that this bloke can F@ck up a game of tic-tac-toe!:sad:

Long Bay Mauler 19th Jun 2008 12:43

M said KG is a what????
 
http://www.royandhg.com/clubbuggery/rhg6.jpg

Collando 19th Jun 2008 12:45

Management
 
You know they live in a different world those managers,

A self delusional world that says to them when they look in the the mirror that they are actually great managers and that the only problem that they have is the childish rabble they call the workforce, who maintain a culture that they are not responsible for,but a fine tuned business none the less, with world class MROs, world class equipment, perfect working environment, not quite enough managers though, but there the best ones we could find,for the least amount of money. And all that for no training although we did go bushwacking but funnilly enough I cant remember an amazing thing about it or what they were trying to teach us!!!!!

We are a Godsend to our shareholders. Who wants to buy us?????? for a small fee to the QANTAS executive It can be arranged.Im sure its in everybodys interest, dont worry about the $100 million plus that we owe in fines for illegal and improper price fixing deals, it was nothing to do with us here at the top. And I know the share price is lower than it was 8 years ago and its dropped 40% and we pay sh*t dividends but we're good, really.........Honest.......dont you trust us ? why not?

Dont worry about the engineers either, we intend to hold them down untill there completely buggered, and their small grievence of 2% is swept away,after all its not about the money its about control and we cant let them have any control over us with those things they call licences.

If only we could buy CASA completely this would all be over.

wanty 19th Jun 2008 13:02

Let me tell you a story bout a tird named dick,
He ruled from the top and was considered a :mad:,
Had his own company which he tried to flog,
Sale went south and down the river like a log,
Silly old marg got tossed aside,
He said it don't matter I'll take it in my stride,
Theres always next year,I'll still be here,
What about the workers,they'll buy me a beer,
Where oh where can I hide now,
Whats that,whats that,problems overseas??,
Toss them 60 mill,go away please,
Oil,oil,oil, prices too high,
Thats it,thats it,gotta run with that,
Everyones to blame except the fat cat,
3%,3%,3% can't give any more,
To give 5%, will leave me poor,
Don't listen to Steve and the wook they'll restore your pride,
Listen to me I'll take you for a ride,
Please don't listen to your execuuu tive,
With you doing that we can't divide,
Listen to us, you must abide,
Take a good look at our big sticks,
We hand them out, to all our ass licks,
Come and get a taste of my bonUUs,
It's big it's huge it's of whopping size,
Don't you complain,you'll get ya payrise,
Tow the company line or we'll dock your pay,
**** we lost in court today, ok you've had your say,
Aircraft,aircraft stacked against the fence,
Shareholders money flushed down the drain,
It don't matter, I'll feel no pain,
You'll live in squaller,but I'll be in spain,
Country icon I turned to ****,
Suppose it don't matter,I got my bit,
Companies in shambles,companies a mess,
Where oh where can I go next

Long Bay Mauler 19th Jun 2008 13:55

Australia Decides...............
 
http://by104w.bay104.mail.live.com/a...AA06590C756A0|

ejectx3 19th Jun 2008 14:11

Please can we see the leaked email?

Toolpants 19th Jun 2008 14:11





Join Date: Mar 2005

Location: Sydney
Posts: 239
Whats the buggery story all about for those of us who are only able to follow this circus via pprune??






An e-mail was leaked that was between Management.

One of the little YES men that management is using to do their dirty work was mentioned. Management themselves “M” refer to him as a scab.

They talk about escalating the dispute, docking peoples pay and what it will take to cause a walk out. They then say (and I quote) “Staying with a buggery campaign always a option.... Dick”

BTW. I think Dick is the manager's name and not a tool for the buggering but I’m not sure.

D.P. Gumby 19th Jun 2008 15:08

Assclown
 
http://www.v7n.com/forums/attachment...d-assclown.jpg

Insert Executive/Managers Name into the Award


EVERYONE OF THEM HAS QUALIFIED


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