Yes, we are, and that's why I SUPPORT the action of the LAMEs. We would have taken action if we still had the industrial strength to, but unfortunately, we no longer do. And look at the results of having no industrial strength: New flight attendants now have the privilege of working higher hours for less money, as well as a host of other benefits. Some were critical of us signing off on our EBA, but the only alternative would have been industrial action which we would have lost, anyway.

WE DO SUPPORT YOU! 100% And it has already cost me real money. We do cop some pretty nasty abuse in these situations, but I am a big picture kind of person, so it doesn't sting too much. If you guys cave in, and this was all in vain, I'll never talk to you again.

And what do you suggest, oh wise one??? Huh?

Yes, they are. But if simply withdrawing overtime and working within the company's rules are all it takes to cause such a mess, then can't you see that the problem is not with the LAMEs, but with the management. H245 should never have been closed down. That was like ripping the heart out of this airline. I still can't believe it had such little press. At least these guys are making a noise.

I think you will find that another union or organisation has put that website together. I'd say so if it was ours or if we paid for it.

Acars747
 

Quote by Acars747 from May 2006 in another thread:

He seems to post during EBA negotiations....mmm, I wonder why?

This is the person telling the LAME's to think of the other employees in QF, and how they are hurting them......

Enough said about Acars 747

Well, well ACARS,after all your "I care for all employee's" dribble
I see you just like to bash anyone in dispute with the company.

Well you have everyones attention, how about you tell us how
to change QE managements destructive path.
I would love to be doing things differently but I am all out of ideas.

So lets hear it.

Thnx for the offer frozo but I'm more than happy with the way our little campaign is going. Maybe a bit further down the track when we step things up I will reconsider your offer.

Debate.
 

Quite right PAF but as I said it would appear that you are abdicating that I and many other QE LAME's should accept a real wage cut against CPI.

I doubt very much that you would accept me and others suggesting you should do the same over the next 5 to 10 years just for the shareholders sake. :ok:

Just keep on keeping on guys. No need to escalate any further. No need to go slow. Green guides still getting bigger. More aircraft approaching 110%. Just reassure the public that we are just busy with our familys and havent got time to do overtime at the moment. Surely thats not unreasonable! :ok:

attn FedSec.
 

I overheard a brother today saying he cant understand how Dixon keeps saying that if he gives us the 2% extra it will cost the company 360 mill in the 3rd year. FedSec can you run the numbers as Dixon has said this last week as well. I know there is 1600 Lames and our increase May have a follow effect to some other unions in their EBA claims,however I'm sure as hell a lot of Qantas 33000 employee's are salaried staff, contract staff even executive staff who bargain their own rises which is probably more than 5% & have nothing to do with our claim. For Dixon to say this,he is implying if some sections receive 5% all will. I wish he would be that fair to all employee's with regard to the percentages he gives execs!. So please fedsec clear this up with the media,Even better get the media to challenge his rants.I would love to hear his response to this. I am sure @ some point the big insto's will tell him to pull his head in if they knew the real figures and how little it would cost to give the Lames 'the extra 2 %'.
On a brighter note GD's wife unfortunately left for the states 1 1/2 hrs late yesterday

Dixon's 360 mill statements? Why would we bother challenging the numbers? He has said if it flows on to all employees it would cost that. If we do some serious number crunching and can prove that it is only 330 mill who really cares?

It is 120M p/a against 1400M p/a profit. I would rather say

360 over 3 years, is that all, that is less than 10% of the profit given back to the staff. Thank you Geoff we have delivered productivity that has delivered massive profits and 10% comes back our way.

His 360 mill sounds good to me. I wouldn't even waste my time challenging it.

I am a Qantas employed LAME involved in the current PIA.
I fully apologise to all non-executive staff who are adversely affected by my, and my unions, actions.

However, I am fully behind the ALAEA in the current dispute with Qantas management.
I firmly believe that we are going along the right path, the end result of our actions far out way any financial or physical pain felt by any individual!
The current management structure within Qantas Engineering is unsustainable. They are simply making too many errors of judgment.
If I were to carry out my duties with similar errors, I would be unemployed!

Non executive employees of Qantas do not work on a performance based pay structure that applies to management. We rely on a fair wage for our knowledge, experience and commitment to our work.
I do not think Qantas employees are being treated or paid fairly by their employer.

I know there are a number of people who disagree with our actions and I understand they are entitled to their opinion, but that is all it is, an opinion.
The members of the ALAEA have spoken as one and are acting as one.
It is humbling to see so many, intent on an outcome, that will benefit all employees.

I urge all ALAEA members to remain focused and committed to our quest. It will not be easy from here on. There will be many obstacles placed in our path but I believe we can and will, negotiate all hurdles with ease, if we remain united.

At the end of this dispute, no matter what the outcome, Qantas employees will never again be looked at in the same way we were previously seen by management.

My best wishes to all.


PS
PAF, go somewhere and find a friend.
ACARS, if you struggle with simple English, use your spellchecker.

Well said Amstrang.
I have had nothing but support from all other areas of the company I interact with (ground staff, F/a's, Tech crew, cleaners, ramp and catering) in our battle for a well overdue renumeration increase.
One thing we can do is go out of our way to thank them or help them so that they know we appreciate their support.
All other departments are looking at us, we must maintain our solidarity and not let them (or ourselves) down.

For F sake PAF
 

I never suggested that it was, this was just an arbitary period of time to highlight what we have/have not received in the last 10 years.

I think you have hit the nail on the head, and he will do this at the expense of the shareholder and employees alike.

What your personal remuneration situation is none of my business, read what I said. If you are going backwards as you imply then by your logic you should take a pay cut for the shareholders benefit to boot.

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Thats your opinion but you don't work there and are not subjected to the current QE management lunacy on a daily basis which is where our real beef lies, GD just happens to be the figure head who drives the 3% policy.:ugh:

PAF,
Don't worry about us missing the point, we will look after ourselves!
You just settle down somewhere comfy and calm yourself down!

Thanks for your input and concern in the past, now, don't you give it another thought.

PAF & ACARS
Plenty of high talk but no suggestions on a course
of action staff should take.
So lets hear it.
I am all ears.

This is one of the only good points you have made here, PAF. I totally agree with you on this one. The shareholders and the public need to know what a rotting mess this company has become.

Qantas was warned about the detrimental effects of a "disengaged workforce" about 2 years ago, but they chose to ignore this - nothing changed.

The 5% appears to be the minor issue in this dispute and to be honest, I think a lot of the guys will be disappointed if they get their 5% but there is no shake-up to management; that is what they really want.

question re 360 million
 

When GD says it will cost the company $360 million over 3 years if the flow on of 5% extends to others,does he mean it will cost $360 mill to pay everyone 5% or does he mean that it will cost $360 mill to pay everyone an extra 2%?

Just wondered?

Interesting
 

Flying Empty

saddam's old buddy said...
Ali,

I agree, forget higer duty bans because that would be the quickest way to lose the dispute when pay day comes around. All those 4 hour dockings....ouch.

As for 8 hour roster, you need to talk to SP about that. He has some VERY interesting things to say about when that may be an option which QF have no need of finding out here!!


SP.
How about putting an AD in the press thanking passengers and especially QF staff for their patience during these trying times that Dixon has inflicted on us all in defence of his "legacy" ( read EGO)

I haven't seen any apologies from Dixon to HIS customers so how about we grab that moral high ground?

Better go now............defects to find.............wonder if I can ground something........

Welcome ACARS747 to our little thread and glad to see you back P.A.F. Thought you had been chased off. I would have been very disappointed to see a member of a Defence force quit so easy ..unless of course you are a francophone :}

ACARS747
Troll on
To use your myopic antagonistic type argument..
Why 5% Because we can !

All the other unions within QF large and small have been fragmented by multiple unions representing the same "profession" across the QF group or people employed on multiple pay bands, different T.Cs with casuals doing same or similar job for different money or both. :ouch:

Dixon, Cox, Harris, should have thought about the repercussions of their actions after 18 months of delay tactics in negotiating the EBA.
This did not happen over night. :ugh:
Engineers have always been about getting the aircraft out so bums on seats were happy.
I can assure you our actions are not taken lightly BUT
The same tripe was served up each time by management that not even the most non discerning pallet could digest.
The company offer was given the big NO and PIA was voted in twice by a huge majority of 80% +. Something I believe made I Oldmedow choke on his chardonnay as the second result was unexpected and the rest ......is Now.

PAF. You enjoy using the word bully associated with union.
Perhaps we are bullies at the moment but that is the game we are playing and we have had good coaches :ok:
So be it

I do apologise to the rest of the prune community for actually answering and/or encouraging trolls. I promise I won’t do it again.
As my father always said Do not put any store in the ravings of an idiot.
And as my punishment I shall read my air legislation notes

You were obviously not one of the 80-odd percent who voted in favour of PIA?
If you have a better way of advancing our claim, then let's hear it.