BE200 XHV

[megan]

always thought that the grass would have been my choice.....

Know your aircraft, Mustang in Victoria had a gear problem and decided to land on the grass, belly scoop acted as a plough and caused extensive damage, including buckled fuselage frames, as it scooped up earth and grass. Not shown in many of the flight manuals, but WWII P-51 advice was to land gear up on the bitumen, just a bit of sheet metal work required on the belly, not a major rebuild that grass would require. War time the aircraft on grass may have been scrapped.

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[Squawk7700]

They say that the foam they spray on can cause more damage than the wheels up landing!

[red_dirt]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

They say that the foam they spray on can cause more damage than the wheels up landing!

yeahnah sorta, the chances of the AC touching down on the foam blanket AND stopping on the foam blanket is pretty slim and foaming an entire runway just to make sure would cost about 100k in foam not to mention, the trucks don’t carry enough to even do that.

It’s a bit old school

[PiperCameron]

Originally Posted by red_dirt

yeahnah sorta, the chances of the AC touching down on the foam blanket AND stopping on the foam blanket is pretty slim and foaming an entire runway just to make sure would cost about 100k in foam not to mention, the trucks don’t carry enough to even do that.

It’s a bit old school

There are a few videos around of firey's foaming part of the runway in preparation for a wheels-up - and the aircraft then missing the foam patch completely. As if the over-worked pilot has nothing else to focus on at the time.

[Fris B. Fairing]

There's a lot to like about the pilot's account of the incident but I particularly liked his opening advice to Nine's Today Show that they were "overselling it".

[5th officer]

Originally Posted by Pearly White

Having done lots of landings on grassed runways I can confirm that's a massive difference between a well-used grass runway and the "rough" grassed areas alongside it that hasn't seen traffic since the last time it got slashed. The grass is usually longer - sometimes much longer - and you can't see rabbit holes, swampy bits, drainage culverts, roos or even sheep sometimes. In peacetime I'd pick the hard stuff every time. The fact the surface was wet was an absolute bonus. I hope someone had a cup of tea ready for old mate who executed a textbook landing after putting another, what - 3.5 hours in the logs, burning off fuel?

Channel 7, struggling with accuracy suggested the Pilot was dumping fuel for 3.5 hours? Cannot recall the King Air having that capability??

[TWT]

I refer you to the original post in this thread from wheelyfunny

Happening now......The media reports are comical

[megan]

struggling with accuracy suggested the Pilot was dumping fuel for 3.5 hours? Cannot recall the King Air having that capability

It has, an on board processer turns the fuel into water and CO2 first before dumping it over board. Don't want raw fuel being dumped on a school yard, as happened in the US a few years ago.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Is that the recently patented 'Thronomister'...?

[megle2]

B200 fuel dumping can only occur with the gear retracted. If the gear in transit light is on the system is deactivated. Explains why he held for so long

[Lead Balloon]

Originally Posted by megle2

B200 fuel dumping can only occur with the gear retracted. If the gear in transit light is on the system is deactivated. Explains why he held for so long

Correct.

The most recent (-F010+) and later models of the B200 won't allow fuel dumping unless the gear is retracted and the media have been informed of the incident.

[gassed budgie]

Originally Posted by megan

Know your aircraft, Mustang in Victoria had a gear problem and decided to land on the grass, belly scoop acted as a plough and caused extensive damage, including buckled fuselage frames, as it scooped up earth and grass. Not shown in many of the flight manuals, but WWII P-51 advice was to land gear up on the bitumen, just a bit of sheet metal work required on the belly, not a major rebuild that grass would require. War time the aircraft on grass may have been scrapped.

Somewhat OT, but this time on the bitumen. A lot less damage than what occurred above.

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[Cilba]

Love it!

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Thankyou Guys & Gals,


I've been 'eddycated'. Looks like the bitumen wins.....


Cheeerrrsss........

[Lookleft]

Just so ATC don't feel left out in the "If it wasn't for me it all would have been a lot worse stakes."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-...ency/103855378

Not blaming the Flt Lt but RAAF Media wanted a piece of the action especially this quote:

Flight Lieutenant Bree Woollett talked pilot Peter Schott through the drama over Newcastle when the landing gear on his Beechcraft Super King Air failed after take-off on Monday morning, setting off an emergency much of the country watched unfold online and on television.

I'm sure that the pilot didn't need any talking through the issue. I'm absolutely sure the pilot was telling ATC what his requirements were and ATC did their utmost to assist.

[Lead Balloon]

So unkind, LL! How do you know FLTLT Wollett doesn't have a couple of thousand hours on the King Air?

(Seriously, as LL says and implies: Well done ATC and well done the PIC. So called 'journalists'? Pass me a bucket.)

[RodH]

Beechcraft Super King Air Newcastle

Wheels-up landing that gripped the nation . This is a quote from the good old ABC news service about a King Air that did a wheels up landing in Newcastle. According to the article the Air Traffic Controller " talked the pilot down " to a safe outcome. Now the ATC controller { RAAF } is a " hero " for helping save the lives of 3 people. No doubt she did a good job but the bull**** reporting almost makes me cringe.

It is blown up out of all proportion to make it sound like a huge event which it was not.
Good work to the pilot and ATC but not heroic!!

[Desert Flower]

This happened back in September 2008: "VH-URU was involved in a nasty 'wheels-up' incident at Adelaide Airport in September 2008 when after a departure, its wheels didn't fully retract, so the aircraft was forced to make an emergency landing. The King Air landed with the gear up and all passengers and crew evacuated after the aircraft came to a stop. Thousands witnessed the incident as the Qantas Airways Airbus A380 VH-OQA was about 45 minutes from arriving into Adelaide for the very first time."

The aircraft was flown by a very good friend of mine. I believe he invited everyone around to his house for a beer & a barbie afterwards!

DF.

[RickNRoll]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

Just so ATC don't feel left out in the "If it wasn't for me it all would have been a lot worse stakes."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-...ency/103855378

Not blaming the Flt Lt but RAAF Media wanted a piece of the action especially this quote:

I'm sure that the pilot didn't need any talking through the issue. I'm absolutely sure the pilot was telling ATC what his requirements were and ATC did their utmost to assist.

• In short: RAAF air traffic controller Bree Woollett says Monday's wheels-up landing was "the most intense" emergency she has been involved in.
• Pilot Peter Schott, who circled the city for several hours in order to burn off fuel, said his watch showed his heart rate did not exceed 80bpm throughout the ordeal.

Pilot let the team down there.

[Pearly White]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

This incident also puts paid to the common myth that disabled aircraft will simply be bulldozed off the runway to allow the airport to be used again.

Happened frequently during the Berlin Airlift, my father used to regale us with an incident at Gatow where an Avro Lancastrian carry 1/2cwt bags of coal crashed and caught fire, crew smashed their way through the glasshouse, the wreckage got bulldozed off to the side while still burning, landings resumed within 30 minutes.