ADS-B “IN” at Ballina?
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You wallys need to pull your heads in and stop beating up on Sunfish. He has the gold-standard equipment fit which, if replicated by all, would markedly improve safety without the nonsense of Class E.
Triadic, linked in post 21.
Triadic, linked in post 21.
Not much coverage below 3000ft https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...ds-b-coverage/. I find it interesting that there is no ADSB coverage in the Cairns area as they seem to rely on the radar there??
I do take your point though, for example there isn't one at Adelaide which has a huge number of ADSB equipped GA aircraft in the area from the flight training school that does a lot of the international training down there.
Even with good radar coverage, I'd have thought it would be pretty useful for a controller to be able to see call signs of all the GA aircraft traversing around in E & G rather than just blips squawking 1200.
Amazing to think that Flight Radar 24, that uses essentially amateur receivers all over the place (mind you their receivers pick up and collate the same high integrity data that is received by Airservices ADSB receivers) provides a much more useful level of coverage than what Airservices Australia can provide their controllers. I wonder if any of them are ever tempted to get out their phone to check Flight Radar 24 to confirm the identity of something squawking 1200 or to see circuit traffic at an aerodrome with no Airservices ADSB receivers...
Amazing to think that Flight Radar 24, that uses essentially amateur receivers all over the place (mind you their receivers pick up and collate the same high integrity data that is received by Airservices ADSB receivers) provides a much more useful level of coverage than what Airservices Australia can provide their controllers. I wonder if any of them are ever tempted to get out their phone to check Flight Radar 24 to confirm the identity of something squawking 1200 or to see circuit traffic at an aerodrome with no Airservices ADSB receivers...
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Perhaps consider these points.
ADS-B OUT allows ATC to have the situational awareness of your position relative to other aircraft (terrain, restricted airspace) and be able to provide you with a separation, alerting or flight information service.
If you have ADS-B IN then its more like self-service where you have the situational awareness of other aircraft who have ADS-OUT.
USA study looking at accident rates for GA planes & air taxis 2013-2017 found that the aircraft equipped with ADS-B IN were 48-53 % less likely to have an accident and 88-89 % less likely to have a fatal accident.
ADS-B OUT allows ATC to have the situational awareness of your position relative to other aircraft (terrain, restricted airspace) and be able to provide you with a separation, alerting or flight information service.
If you have ADS-B IN then its more like self-service where you have the situational awareness of other aircraft who have ADS-OUT.
USA study looking at accident rates for GA planes & air taxis 2013-2017 found that the aircraft equipped with ADS-B IN were 48-53 % less likely to have an accident and 88-89 % less likely to have a fatal accident.
ADS-B OUT allows ATC to have the situational awareness of your position relative to other aircraft (terrain, restricted airspace) and be able to provide you with a separation
ADSB is cheap compared to radar, much much cheaper. But if ASA had coverage to the ground, then they'd be sort of obligated to provide a service. Which means they'd be obligated to increase the amount of Controlled Airspace, particularly in areas like Ballina.
ASA don't want a bar of VFR, VFR is the dog**** on the sole of your shoe when you've walked into a nice whiskey bar. They can't make coin out of VFR, so **** right off. It doesn't matter that the odds say that it'll be a VFR that hits a Part 121 (or vice versa) at Ballina.
USA study looking at accident rates for GA planes & air taxis 2013-2017 found that the aircraft equipped with ADS-B IN were 48-53 % less likely to have an accident and 88-89 % less likely to have a fatal accident.
So even if everyone has OUT, then you've still got potential for a Mangalore type incident. If everyone has IN and some kind of display, then chances are reduced, particularly with traffic awareness via EFB software or mounted hardware (eg Garmin), but there's always going to be someone who has it turned off or doesn't know how to work it properly. You'll never remove the human element.
IN ain't the be all and end all. I've seen IN traffic on the PFD and not been able to spot it outside, and there's real potential of staring at the PFD in the circuit, and that causing a prox.
Revelatory thread; I'd assumed the RPTs operating in Western Queensland were similarly equipped to our humble single engine pistons prior to this.
Can anyone answer if RFDS is ADSB in equipped please?
The Dynon integrated ADSB - IN unit displays a filtered target set (within about 5nm and +- 1000ft) on the map page of my system and an aural and visual warning if its algorithm thinks a conflict is possible. While I haven't kept exact statistics, I reckon I visually spot about half to two thirds of these targets AFTER they are painted - the ones I miss seem to usually be helos moving low and slow or fast things at the edge of visual range.
I treat it as another aid to situational awareness along with radio. Its greatest value to me seems to be within about 5 - 7 nm of the circuit as aircraft manouver to join or depart, in the circuit itself its unnecessary.
What I can't guard against is a purist with no radio or transponder - unalerted "see and avoid" is a mugs game.
I fail to understand why anyone would be flying without some form of radio and or electronic conspicuity device these days.
I treat it as another aid to situational awareness along with radio. Its greatest value to me seems to be within about 5 - 7 nm of the circuit as aircraft manouver to join or depart, in the circuit itself its unnecessary.
What I can't guard against is a purist with no radio or transponder - unalerted "see and avoid" is a mugs game.
I fail to understand why anyone would be flying without some form of radio and or electronic conspicuity device these days.
Other than an EFB or a non-certified Dynon, there’s no affordable and easy to install ADSB-in solution. If you thought that the ADSB-Out mandate was expensive, that’s got nothing on IN, because unless you have a device with a screen that happens to be compatible with IN, you’re talking about a major hardware installation.
We all just assumed that by fitting OUT, that magically ATC would be able to see us all and to provide separation!
We all just assumed that by fitting OUT, that magically ATC would be able to see us all and to provide separation!
Would businesses like flying schools be eligible for support under the Technology Investment Boost as announced in the Budget? ADSB-IN, big-screen Garmin thingamabobs, big-screen iPads.
The Government is providing $1 billion to support small business digitalise their operations with a new bonus tax deduction. Businesses with an aggregated turnover below $50 million per annum will be able to deduct an additional 20 per cent of the cost incurred on business expenses and depreciating assets that supports their digitalisation. This will encourage businesses to invest in new laptops, improve cyber security, design a new website or adopt new software services.