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Old 21st Dec 2021, 03:25
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I’ll take water over heavily built up suburbia like most former GAAP airports - “aim for that one footy oval” isn’t ideal

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Old 21st Dec 2021, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
At least add another 80-100 kg.
Girl & boy aged 10 & 9. The boy looks to be quite on the light side. Mum (looks like she was separated from dad) was waiting at home for them to come home.

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Old 21st Dec 2021, 17:37
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Originally Posted by PA39 View Post
Stall spin after EFATO due to engine component failure or fuel exhaustion would be my initial thoughts.
Going by the damage to the front of the aircraft, and the compression damage to the rear of the fuselage, it seems the tail feathers were trying to catch up to the prop spinner.

Not what you'd expect from a controlled ditching. Tragic at any time of year,- but less than a week out from Xmas, just devastating.
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Old 21st Dec 2021, 21:53
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Uncontrolled water arrival. As per PA 39.
Very sad.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 10:54
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Originally Posted by PA39 View Post
i wd agree with the cantilever undercarriage I wd go for a 112 ir 114
Trailing beam, not cantilever.
A cantilever is fixed only at one end with the keyword being "fixed" not pivoting.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 11:54
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probably does in that there might be a desire to attempt a forced landing on dry land
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 12:08
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lots of theories so far but your comment 'land ahead' (or close to straight ahead) is so valid and usually gives the best outcome. It was always drummed into me. EFATO - then land ahead if possible.
But who knows, it may have been a partial engine failure initially with a chance of returning to airfield.

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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 22:51
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I am still guessing fuel exhaustion.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 23:15
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I am still guessing fuel exhaustion.
Right after takeoff???!!!

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Old 24th Dec 2021, 01:44
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I wonder if PA39 means fuel starvation?

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Old 24th Dec 2021, 06:41
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I wonder if PA39 means fuel starvation?

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I would go with that theory - but not fuel exhaustion.

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Old 28th Dec 2021, 06:05
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No fellas I mean fuel exhaustion……ran out of fuel. 114 have a common left both right or off selector. The 114 is known to cross drain and sometimes pilots switch tanks as one wing is considerably lower after the cross drain making the ground roll awkward. Jimmy Hazelton and I shared similar experiences when we were working on configurations to make the “unuseable” fuel useable. When the nose points to the heavens and a turn is commenced, the fuel port can be uncovered on a “skinny” tank. Anyway enough said, lets wait see

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Old 28th Dec 2021, 07:06
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Just for clarity
No fuel in tanks except "unusable" equals exhaustion.
Fuel in excess of "unusable" but the flow to the engine is interrupted equals starvation.

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Old 28th Dec 2021, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Checklist Charlie View Post
Just for clarity
No fuel in tanks except "unusable" equals exhaustion.
Fuel in excess of "unusable" but the flow to the engine is interrupted equals starvation.

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correct ✔️ As Jimmy H would say…..there is no such thing as unuseable. 🤓
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Old 28th Dec 2021, 11:43
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Originally Posted by PA39 View Post
No fellas I mean fuel exhaustion……ran out of fuel. 114 have a common left both right or off selector. The 114 is known to cross drain and sometimes pilots switch tanks as one wing is considerably lower after the cross drain making the ground roll awkward. Jimmy Hazelton and I shared similar experiences when we were working on configurations to make the “unuseable” fuel useable. When the nose points to the heavens and a turn is commenced, the fuel port can be uncovered on a “skinny” tank. Anyway enough said, lets wait see
As it happens Jim Hazelton and I ferried this particular 114 from NZ some years ago.
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 00:03
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As it happens Jim Hazelton and I ferried this particular 114 from NZ some years ago.
Do you recall what the Kiwi registration was?
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Old 29th Dec 2021, 00:41
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Do you recall what the Kiwi registration was?
As someone posted earlier, this plane has been around: Formerly registered as.... ZK-ELL, N96ET, N747WW, OO-TTC, C-GIHV, N4899W

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Old 29th Dec 2021, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Kooka View Post
As it happens Jim Hazelton and I ferried this particular 114 from NZ some years ago.
Ahh I remember that aircraft. Think Dennis Thompson organised the sale/ferry.
miss JH terribly, in fact when Jimmy passed I left aviation forever. 😔
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Old 28th Feb 2022, 00:12
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Preliminary Report is out.

What strikes me from it is they ditched with gear extended, and predictably flipped in shallow water, but first responders couldn't get into the aircraft. Makes a reasonable point to pop the cabin doors before you put her down off airport, though in this case there probably wasn't enough time to brief the RHS passenger to do so.
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Old 28th Feb 2022, 02:59
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The time factor was obviously critical here.Jamming a shoe in the door is a good idea if you have the time.
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