Aircraft down off Redcliffe
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Originally Posted by Alice Kiwican
Maybe no time to retract? May have been fixated on returning to airfield and not ditching? Sadly we will probably never know.
Sad day for the families. RIP
Sad day for the families. RIP
Originally Posted by Hydromet
ABC reporting 59 yo male pilot, another male and two children all deceased.
From ABC
The pilot was a 69-year-old man, with police saying they believe it was a booked joy flight
RIP
Thoughts go out to rescue crews, family, friends and all at Redcliffe Airport.
Last edited by Rotor Work; 19th Dec 2021 at 09:51.
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This is appalling. It looks like the front of the aircraft is extensively damaged, so possibly not a controlled ditching.
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Firstly, this is a tragedy for the families and friends, traumatic for the rescue personnel and may the deceased RIP.
Perhaps there are some lessons to be learned which may come to light after a proper investigation. In the meantime, knowlege of the runway in use could provide a time factor and possible thought process. The wind on 19th appears to favour 07. The crash site appears to be adjacent to the wetlands area, approximately 1nm NW of the airport. The direction of flight prior to impact can't be definitively determined from the inverted resting site, but may have been from a westerly heading. The gear is down. The flaps appear to be retracted. This would appear a less than ideal configuration for a planned ditching or energy management.
Stall/spin? I'd doubt the later due to the apparent damage from energy disipation. A proper investigation will be more telling.
Radio call? Bottom of the priority list, but if given may relay intent/ highlight priority management.
A sad situation. Let's wait for the formal report.
Perhaps there are some lessons to be learned which may come to light after a proper investigation. In the meantime, knowlege of the runway in use could provide a time factor and possible thought process. The wind on 19th appears to favour 07. The crash site appears to be adjacent to the wetlands area, approximately 1nm NW of the airport. The direction of flight prior to impact can't be definitively determined from the inverted resting site, but may have been from a westerly heading. The gear is down. The flaps appear to be retracted. This would appear a less than ideal configuration for a planned ditching or energy management.
Stall/spin? I'd doubt the later due to the apparent damage from energy disipation. A proper investigation will be more telling.
Radio call? Bottom of the priority list, but if given may relay intent/ highlight priority management.
A sad situation. Let's wait for the formal report.
Originally Posted by PA39
I have around 1800hrs in the 114 and can say with the gear out they glide like a brick. Sad sad situation, the return to land after EFATO has trapped many an aviator.
Electrically powered hydraulic power pack, similar to most of the other single engine retractables. I’m pretty sure the system would struggle to retract the gear if the alternator wasn’t pumping out it’s normal output.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
Last edited by Duck Pilot; 20th Dec 2021 at 10:07.
Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Electrically powered hydraulic power pack, similar to most of the other single engine retractables. I’m pretty sure the system would struggle to retract the gear if the alternator wasn’t pumping out it’s normal output.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
It’s gut wrenching to hear about these EFATO incidents when things go terribly wrong very quickly. Having lost a very good mate and mentor in his beloved V35 Bonanza which I also flew about 30 years ago, it certainly drives the message home to me before I take off in anything - have an emergency plan and self brief it or as a crew before every take off - NO EXEMPTIONS. At least then you have half a chance of a good outcome, even if the aircraft is destroyed.
Good initial and re-currency training saves lives in my humble opinion.
If this was an EFATO it may have just been a lot of bad luck. Low, comparatively heavy with four up, no options except to land straight ahead. You get one chance to execute it as best you can while your heart climbs up into your throat. My grandfather died in not dissimilar conditions. I feel for all concerned.
There seems to be a lot of focus on that it was an EFATO, the news reports don't say much other than it went down behind the mangroves out of sight and then was later found by another aircraft in the circuit. Could have been numerous things, incapacitation, EFATO, other control failure, who knows. Unless the airframe failed, which does not look likely, then aircraft age and (old) history have almost nothing to do with it. Looks like the rear underside of the fuselage took quite a beating in the sequence so it may not have initially hit inverted. In any case ATSB will figure it out at some point.
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Originally Posted by Pearly White
I have no time on type. Is retract gear on EFATO checklist?
i always taught my students to obtain a positive rate of climb and pull the gear in. As I said the 114 glides like a brick with the gear out. A great load carrier but with a ZFW, two cabin doors but aerodynamically a bit of a sled 145kts downhill out of an IO540.
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Originally Posted by Pearly White
..... Low, comparatively heavy with four up, no options except to land straight ahead.....
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Originally Posted by Alt Flieger
Did many single engine overwater joy flights a million years ago when I first got my license. Never liked it.
