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Pilatus PC-24 Jet - happy customers?

Old 28th Aug 2020, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Re post #21....
There seems like a shed load of stuff going on on that PFD?
I guess you get used to it!
There is, but it’s the same as the -12NG with a few extra features.
Once you get used to it, it’s very intuitive, and incredibly useful.

Having said that, I remember thinking on the type rating that If I didn’t have the several thousand hours’ experience I already had with those avionics I’m not sure that I would have passed. I felt very sorry for the guys and girls coming from Garmin or Pro-line. It’s a hell of a lot to try to take in cold.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 11:56
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Originally Posted by machtuk
Would have been interesting SP. I was at that CAE Dallas facility a couple of years ago, they where the worst provider I've had to endure!
We are lucky we have benign WX and low volumes of traffic, the States is nuts! -)
i imagine Pilatus went for the QPM to keep weight down? It is very convenient having an APU though of any sort -)
I can’t speak highly enough of FlightSafety. Incredibly professional and thorough.

When I did it Dallas was the only place in the world you could go for a -24 rating.
They’ve recently commissioned a second sim in Paris.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 04:11
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Something's missing from this thread. Can anybody else see what's missing?
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 04:29
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Looks like a nice bit of kit.

I am sure if you look into the MFD for long enough, you will find a cure for Covid19.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 05:47
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While it's not a PC24, the Phenom 300E is pretty close to identical in performance and fuel burn, so this is an interesting video to watch to give you an idea of the fuel flows at cruise. Interestingly you can get the Phenom down to 800 pph at 420ish kts which is similar to a Kingair 350 going flat chat at 310 kts.

One interesting thing about the PC24 which I had a look at a few weeks ago was the fit and finish of the skin panels and paint. Absolutely flawless. It looked like the paint on a Bentley. Makes the new Cessna Citations loook like a HQ Holden from the 70's. That is something that non-pilot passengers really notice when they walk up to an aircraft.

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Old 29th Aug 2020, 06:47
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189KIAS. Nearjet. [img]images/smilies/evil.gif[/img]
lol what IAS would your 717 do at FL450 Bloggsie?

RCoight- thanks for your views on the jet. I'm enjoying it.

When my previous company first got the A380, We had heaps of probs with the refuelling process, heaps of probs with the OITs and heaps of probs with avionics cooling. All were resolved over time and the 380 was a magnificent jet to fly. Teething problems are natural, and the Swiss mob will fix any niggles sure as shit.

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Old 29th Aug 2020, 08:30
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Wrong Question Rex

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lol what IAS would your 717 do at FL450 Bloggsie?
Ask Bloggs for the numbers in the Miracle.

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Old 29th Aug 2020, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Guptar
While it's not a PC24, the Phenom 300E is pretty close to identical in performance and fuel burn, so this is an interesting video to watch to give you an idea of the fuel flows at cruise. Interestingly you can get the Phenom down to 800 pph at 420ish kts which is similar to a Kingair 350 going flat chat at 310 kts.

One interesting thing about the PC24 which I had a look at a few weeks ago was the fit and finish of the skin panels and paint. Absolutely flawless. It looked like the paint on a Bentley. Makes the new Cessna Citations loook like a HQ Holden from the 70's. That is something that non-pilot passengers really notice when they walk up to an aircraft.
The Phenom 300 is a very nice looking aircraft. I parked next to one in Sydney the other day (see pic).
While I don't know much about them at all, I believe the Phenom has a little more speed and a little more range, but the -24 has a bigger cabin and better field performance.
You are spot on about the finish and attention to detail. It really is flawless and on another level to other light jets I've seen.

In the -24 we see fuel flows in the 800s during the last part of a long flight at FL450, but not quite right down at 800.
Both are great aircraft for sure, and as long as you go right up high, very efficient.


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Old 29th Aug 2020, 10:03
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That parking spot looks famil in Syd, saw this 'freak' of aviation nature once in the same area, to think the RFDS SE section actually looked into this 'thing' as a replacement for the old Beech! -)
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Originally Posted by machtuk
That parking spot looks famil in Syd, saw this 'freak' of aviation nature once in the same area, to think the RFDS SE section actually looked into this 'thing' as a replacement for the old Beech! -)
So did Queensland Section I believe
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 10:16
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Pretty sure every section considered them, some more seriously than others.

I think I'm happy we went with the -24...
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 10:31
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You have an interesting view on aviation Machtuk!
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 10:38
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Operating those 'things' would have been a disaster! The B200, won out due common sense!
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Having never operated the P180’s, we will never know!
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
When my previous company first got the A380, We had heaps of probs with the refuelling process, heaps of probs with the OITs and heaps of probs with avionics cooling. All were resolved over time and the 380 was a magnificent jet to fly. Teething problems are natural, and the Swiss mob will fix any niggles sure as shit.
Agreed. I don't think it's realistic to expect no teething problems on a brand new type, and there is nothing unusual or particularly worrying about the issues that some of the early aircraft have exposed.

The final product has met or exceeded every performance target. It's a delight to fly, with no vices.
I've done steep turns above FL400 and it's a total yawn.

Ultimately it's great to see several really new aircraft moving the bar of what can be done instead of endlessly thrashing a 50 year old design.

Oh - A380 best aircraft from a passenger perspective I've ever been in. Shame if we won't see them again.



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Old 29th Aug 2020, 23:22
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Originally Posted by rcoight
There is, but itís the same as the -12NG with a few extra features.
Once you get used to it, itís very intuitive, and incredibly useful.

Having said that, I remember thinking on the type rating that If I didnít have the several thousand hoursí experience I already had with those avionics Iím not sure that I would have passed. I felt very sorry for the guys and girls coming from Garmin or Pro-line. Itís a hell of a lot to try to take in cold.
We had a couple of king air (steam driveen) pilots on my GVII initial that passed no problems. Avionics these days make things easier.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 01:39
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189KIAS. Nearjet.
Ask Bloggs for the numbers in the Miracle
Anything that can't do 3.3M/500KEAS/85,000 is a nearjet.

Always recall this when humour about ones chariot start being made, not a true story as anyone who knows -71 ops will understand.

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Old 30th Aug 2020, 05:12
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Thanks Megan.
Good story, true or not, itís six minutes worth listening to.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 05:31
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Beven around for ages but still funny👍
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 14:12
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RAAF and Cobham don't mind changing a few windcreens on the Challengers.
Because of cracked screens or cracks in the thin outer layer?
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