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Old 21st Jan 2022, 03:07
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No CASA Board members will meet with you Glen, as they are gutless turds. They are too afraid to crawl out from behind the protective government wall that shields them from ‘’outsiders’ such as yourself.
Post 1843 makes this statement being expressed in such absolute terms wrong.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 03:28
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Originally Posted by Flaming galah
Post 1843 makes this statement being expressed in such absolute terms wrong.
Just because Ms Spence says that she and the Chair are happy to meet with Glen does not mean that they will actually do so. CASA is as trustworthy as Ivan Milat with a rifle. Seeing is believing. The day that Glen actually meets with Spence and the Chair face to face is the day that CASA earn a morsel of credibility. Until then, buyer beware.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 04:31
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Response from Board to correspondence in Post 1878

Approximately 3 hours after sending that previous correspondence to the Board,in Post #1878, the Board has digested the information and responds with the following via the Board Secretariat.

Dear Mr. Buckley

Thankyou for the email copied below. The Chair has advised that you requested an independent review of your allegations. This request was supported by the Chair and the Director of Aviation Safety and is currently in train with the Commonwealth Ombudsman. Until it is completed, none of the Board members will interfere with that process.

Once the review is completed, I understand the Chair intends to meet with you.

Best regards

XXXXXX XXXXXXXX
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 04:40
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Originally Posted by glenb
Approximately 3 hours after sending that previous correspondence to the Board,in Post #1878, the Board has digested the information and responds with the following via the Board Secretariat.

Dear Mr. Buckley

Thankyou for the email copied below. The Chair has advised that you requested an independent review of your allegations. This request was supported by the Chair and the Director of Aviation Safety and is currently in train with the Commonwealth Ombudsman. Until it is completed, none of the Board members will interfere with that process.

Once the review is completed, I understand the Chair intends to meet with you.

Best regards

XXXXXX XXXXXXXX
positive turn of events Glen!
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 04:59
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Havick good to have you around still

Good to have you following still. Cheers.

Yes, it is good that CASA will finally provide me the opportunity to meet. Unfortunately i had hoped to have that meeting before the Ombudsmans Report, to correct the significant amounts of misinformation provided by CASAs, Mr Jonathan Aleck.

From my experience to date with the Ombudsman Office, enormous weight is attached to CASAs input when compared to mine. The misinformation that has been provided by CASA, in my opinion will potentially pervert the outcome. I had hoped that at Board level there would have been enough concerns that they corrected this situation. Apparently not.

This must surely come to an end soon, as I am expecting the final Ombudsman report in about a month or so.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 04:03
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The CASA Board “won’t interfere.”

As reported here from the Board, quote:- “Until it is completed, none of the Board members will interfere with that process.”

This shows that this Board is most reluctant to investigate the facts and truth of Glen’s situation. If it was feeling any responsibility, or wished to test the validity of CASA’s intentions and actions against APTA, it would be inviting Glen to hearings and asking for all of his documentation.

The notion that the Board would be interfering with a “process” is is a specious and fraudulent argument. It’s an unworthy and transparent falsehood because there’s no process, unless hand balling the hot potato is your idea of “a process.”

There is no legal, practical or commonsense reason for the Board to refrain from ascertaining the facts. The reverse is true and would be the responsible course of action.

If this was not so then how is it that it is proper for the Chairman to meet Glen but no other Board members? If there were any other Board members meeting him, where’s the problem? I would urge all the Board members to engage with Glen Buckley in every way possible.

This could then be a watershed, not only for Glen but for the whole of General Aviation because the Board would become familiar with the whole disastrous modus operandi of CASA. They might even become aware of the colossal damage that’s been perpetrated on the whole of the GA industry, including the loss of jobs, services and related GA businesses over the last twenty five years.


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Old 24th Jan 2022, 10:36
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This could then be a watershed, not only for Glen but for the whole of General Aviation because the Board would become familiar with the whole disastrous modus operandi of CASA. They might even become aware of the colossal damage that’s been perpetrated on the whole of the GA industry, including the loss of jobs, services and related GA businesses over the last twenty five years.
The Board don’t want to know about Glen and they certainly couldn’t give a handful of monkey crap about GA. The Boards role is to link hands and dance a protective circle around the Minister. That’s the way it always has been and that’s the way it always will be. It’s never been about aviation, it’s always been about giving the public false confidence that the aviation watchdog is doing a great job at ensuring safe skies for all. Now, we all know that is a load of baloney, but the public don’t know any better do they? As long as the Ministers ears are hearing the words “everything is fine, Australian aviation is safe and Qantas chairman’s lounge membership has been renewed” he is happy. And if the Minister is happy the Board will continue to be paid ridiculous amounts of money to meet together and sip herbal tea while eating kale sandwiches.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 11:51
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Optimism v. Pessimism

Paragraph377 forecasts the a likely outcome overall but industry pressure has got them rattled. Not much but enough to encourage, and certainly showing signs that we’ve not seen since the CASASTROPHE was formed.

The extraordinary RRAT video with CEO Pip Spence floundering about while the now real CEO, Jon Aleck, is visibly relaxing in the knowledge that the initials PS might describe someone’s career end point.

But hold the press, out today is Barnaby Joyce’s new Statement of Expectations. While it has more escape hatches than a slab of honey comb its provisions could be used to up the ante if BJ is the Minister after the election. That’s not much more than conjecture but the wording is different from the run of all previous SoE’s. It even has a requirement that the Board make regular reports on its deliberations. That will give rise to plenty of PR drivel but even that will give us ammunition.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 21:24
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New Statement of Expectations, any joy from Joyce?

There was a presumption that Barnaby Joyce would, for the first time in 34 years make some some requirements of CASA that would cause at some some specific reforms to show he means business, CPR with timelines.

What a shame, the de facto CASA CEO won’t have much trouble with that lot because BJ still persists with the idiotic notion of safety being the most important consideration, rather than the health of Australia’s aviation industry.

There it is plainly told, emphasised to CASA and to Australia’s aviation industry.

The well being, the usefulness, the opportunities, the job creation, the international harmonisation, airspace reform, drone ops, aircraft maintenance, Angel Flight’s carriage of sick people to treatment, the flying training, the charter flying, the fairness of the regulatory environment and the costs to General Aviation are all subservient to “safety,”

This SoE gives JA even more work to make reports and comply with the necessity to plan this and that, consult with ‘stakeholders,’ create task forces to decide who are these stakeholders and devise new ways of gathering statistics (more unpaid work from GA operators).

All of the above are catered for in the SoE because CASA is instructed to obtain adequate resources in order to fulfil the requirements of the SoE. The symmetry is beautiful, increase the fees to industry in order to comply with the SoE.

This new SoE is novel in its instructions to consider many matters that could go to the reforms that are desperately needed to revive the battered body of General Aviation. But it all hinges on interpretation and whether or not Minister Joyce, if re-elected and remains the Minister, is prepared to follow through.

There is not only the ‘safety’ catch all excuse that spoils this half hearted, improbable attempt to cause reform but the utterly muddled and unresolved concept about the lines of responsibility. Joyce talks about CASA’s independence in the same breathe as exposing the bleeding obvious, that when all is said and done he, as Minister, is responsible along with Parliament.

There’s not been sufficient intelligence applied to this statement because to do so draws one to the inevitable conclusion, that you can’t possibly have it both ways.

Here is exposed the true problem, the model of governance has by any standard failed. Not in a spectacular fashion, such as a fall at the last hurdle, but in a steadily worsening disease over the last two and three decades. This explains in part the lack of recognition to the miserable state of affairs. Even many in GA and certainly our MPs, won’t easily grasp what’s been lost and therefore cannot understand what the benefits to Australia would be with a proper going aviation industry.

The only real hope for aviation in Australia is for the administration to be conducted through a Department of Government with a Minister in charge, this is the proven Westminster system.

Governance by ‘independent’ Commonwealth corporations is an anathema to our freedoms and democratic responsible government.

Any joy here for Glen? Not much but the otherwise invisible CASA Board is instructed to issue “communiques” about its deliberations, therefore it might have to mention ’the war,’ heaven forbid even Glen’s name might appear. However there’s no stipulated timeline and no doubt there’ll be lots of PR drivel about how they are considering world’s best practice but safety is the highest and overriding consideration.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 22:36
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Sandy:

”The only real hope for aviation in Australia is for the administration to be conducted through a Department of Government with a Minister in charge, this is the proven Westminster system”.

That pretty much sums it up. Sandy is bang on the money. A junior Minister for aviation would be a step in the right direction. To be followed by rewriting the ridiculous Act, adopting the NZ regs and dismantling and then rebuilding CASA. But to have that sort of change implemented within our government really hinges solely on having an event occurring such as a national carrier laying fragmented in the bottom of a smoking hole. An unpalatable thought.

The wiley Loyola Lawyer dropped Spence headfirst onto a giant bucket of **** early in the peace. While he remains cleaner than a Priests frock, she looks like she has been mudlarking on the River Thames. Once again, the Doc puts his own personal stamp on CASA while making the CEO/DAS of the day look like a complete breadcrumb. Welcome to life at CASA Pip, fun times for all. I hope you realise that your credibility is completely destroyed. Your only shot at retribution is to rid CASA of its dross and reform the regulator. Good luck on that count.

In regards to Tomato Head Joyce, he will be in opposition sometime after May 2022. Team Morrison are damaged goods. The creators of the ‘great Australian aviation elephant in the room white paper’, team Labor, will be back to wreck further damage to our already broken country.

Glen, the best outcome we can hope for is financial compensation for you. You’ve earned it, you deserve it, you are entitled to it. That would be a positive outcome for you, your family, and those who support you from the sidelines. Anything above that such as a CASA reform/restructure/giant pineapple from the Minister would be a little extra treacle on the pudding, but not something to hold one’s breath waiting for.











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Old 24th Jan 2022, 23:48
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Outcome for Glen

If we’ve made the slightest difference, and collectively that’s at least probable, and Glen finally achieves financial compensation then we’d be entitled to some gratification. We do have freedom of expression and need to use that right often but carefully.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 00:05
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I am hoping (dreaming) that one day the Government looks at “aviation” as being more than just QF chairman’s lounge privileges. Australian has so much capacity to build up aviation related businesses - passenger travel, freight and cargo operations, maintenance, pilot training, engineering, aircraft and component building and design, fixed wing, rotary, commercial and recreational training, licensing, aircraft storage, and the list goes on. A multi billion dollar sector with the capacity to grow, lead and develop opportunities.

For an isolated nation, aviation is a necessary pathway for our existence. To achieve this, we need clear, concise and workable rules that don’t inhibit the industry or destroy it, but instead enables it to survive and grow. This is where Glen’s case is more than just one man’s journey for justice. What happened had a ripple effect - lives destroyed, businesses destroyed, opportunities lost, careers lost, value to the economy lost! CASA’s actions have a far reaching impact that goes beyond their pride and egos. These sorts of actions have been dealt out by CASA for decades. It really is about time that the accountable Minister actually accepted responsibility for the mess and demanded that his bureaucrats fix it once and for all.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 00:21
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Para..”It really is about time that the accountable Minister actually accepted responsibility for the mess and demanded that his bureaucrats fix it once and for all.”
Spot on and we’ve probably taken a while to come to grips the inherent and root cause of the debacle that is Australia’s debilitated GA sector, the independent regulator, a hands off attempt by Parliament to govern by remote control, all care (tea and sympathy, see Senator McDonald) but no responsibility.

Note the the two year timeline for her Senate Committee investigation.

At the time of it seemed an inordinately long inquiry. didn’t wake up to the logical sense of it going through to election time so that there was no possibility of reform action in this Parliamentary term.

McDonald and Sterle could have kicked up a racket but no, kicked the can down the road instead.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 07:57
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Good luck Glen.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 08:09
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Sunfish, welcome back. i believe you may have made a comment on another forum and i would sincerely welcome you posting it on here for me to respond to. Cheers folk.
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CASA are a total disgrace. I have nothing but the utmost contempt and disdain for all these bastards! Thank God I operate under another National Aviation Authority now. They should be all ashamed!
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Oh gawd, the usual ‘peace for our (aviation) time’ crowd are waving the new CASA Statement of Expectations around.

Tell me: What is the penalty for not complying with the CASA SOE and who pays that penalty? I can’t find any strict liability offences or penalty units in it, or in the Civil Aviation Act sections to which it refers. Whose arse is on the line and how?

Emergency back-up toilet paper supply is about all it’s good for.
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Oh gawd, the usual ‘peace for our (aviation) time’ crowd are waving the new CASA Statement of Expectations around.

Tell me: What is the penalty for not complying with the CASA SOE and who pays that penalty? I can’t find any strict liability offences or penalty units in it, or in the Civil Aviation Act sections to which it refers. Whose arse is on the line and how?

Emergency back-up toilet paper supply is about all it’s good for.
It doesn't read like toilet paper to me, and I have been accused of being a pessimist before.

It reads to me like a coherent blueprint for change and I note that Sections 12 and 12A of the Act specify that the Minister may make Directions that specify what and how the Minister requires CASA to do and subclause in each section says that CASA and its Board must comply with the Ministers directions. The SOE requires measurable outcomes that are very specific, so if they are not delivered to the Ministers satisfaction, CASA and its Board must answer to him.

A for penalties, I'm sure senior managers will walk away with big money but considering the damage some of them may have done, is a few million from the public purse thhat much to get rid of them?

Of course the Litmus test of CASA and the Minister Bona Fides is how they resolve Glen Buckley's case. Fingers crossed for Glen.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
It doesn't read like toilet paper to me, and I have been accused of being a pessimist before.

It reads to me like a coherent blueprint for change and I note that Sections 12 and 12A of the Act specify that the Minister may make Directions that specify what and how the Minister requires CASA to do and subclause in each section says that CASA and its Board must comply with the Ministers directions. The SOE requires measurable outcomes that are very specific, so if they are not delivered to the Ministers satisfaction, CASA and its Board must answer to him.
Sunfish, no disrespect intended but you have been dazzled by the shining lights of the SOE. To that end, the Minister has done his job well. Bait, hook and catch.

The SOE is meaningless drivel. All words and no action. They draft similar crap every year, and across all other government agencies as well. Meaningless, hollow, horse ****. It’s like saying that politicians have a duty to serve their constituents and they do it well. Yeah right!! They rort the system, engage in branch stacking, porkbarrelling, falsify travel allowances, and act unethically and immorally and lie and deceive. Yet their terms of employment says different.

Real change will be recognised the day that Spence gets rid of certain individuals, the Regulator is dismantled and rebuilt, the Act is changed and the NZ regs are adopted. Anything less than that, included silly SOE’s and other glossy motherhood statements should be viewed as what they really are - bull****.




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The new SOE is as practically meaningless as the previous ones.
CASA should perform its functions in accordance with the [Civil Aviation Act [1988], the Airspace Act 2007 and the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013 as well as other relevant legislation.
CASA “should” do things in accordance with the law? That’s some special genius, right there.

Guess what Minister? CASA is already obliged to do things in accordance with the law. If you and your Parliamentary buddies spent more time making CASA comply with the law, it wouldn’t have the reputation it has and so many people wouldn’t have lost faith and trust in you and your buddies. You and your buddies created the CASA monster and you continue to let it wreak havoc.
The SOE requires measurable outcomes that are very specific, so if they are not delivered to the Ministers satisfaction, CASA and its Board must answer to him.
Quell horreur! The humanity!

When hell freezes over and a Minister sacks a CASA CEO or Board member or all of them at once, what difference do you reckon that would make, Sunfish? Diddly.

The previous CEO “completed” and “resolved” the longstanding regulatory reform program in accordance with the previous SOE. Got a nice shiny Gong and a bag of gold for his troubles. Anyone on planet Earth really reckon the current pile of regulatory crap is “completed”? Anyone outside the ‘Canberra bubble’, that is.

The safety of air navigation trumps everything. And who decides what is and is not in the interests of the safety of air navigation? Not the Minister. The Authority.

The Authority must know best, because it’s the Authority. Why else would it be the Authority?
review its regulatory philosophy and update it if required, in consultation with the aviation sector, by the end of 2022
Done. About 15 minutes of work to paper that one over.

fully consider the impact of new regulations on general aviation, with a particular focus on regional and remote Australia
That word “fully” is going to need a few more minutes’ work. And I reckon lots of travel. Lots of important people are going to need to travel to regional and remote Australia – not in any of those dangerous little aircraft mind you, and only to places with sufficient starred accommodation.

review its consultation framework with stakeholders in the aviation community to support developing fit-for-purpose regulatory amendments and addressing key safety issues by 30 June 2022
Done. Another 15 minutes.

release an exposure draft of proposed regulations for industry consultation before regulations are sent for approval
Already doing that.

review its client services standards and ensure there are key performance indicators, such as processing times, for all client delivery functions published on its website by 30 June 2022
Getting an organisation to decide on its own KPIs? When I was told I needed to establish and report on KPIs for my own team’s performance, I said: “I guarantee our performance will look excellent against the KPIs I choose.”

Dontcha think the KPIs should be set by the people who pay for the so-called ‘service’ or the Parliament which created the monster?

seek to publish by 1 May 2022 a work plan of measures being developed that will reduce, where appropriate, the regulatory burden on general aviation
I seek to win Lotto each week. And who decides what’s “appropriate”? You guessed it.

provide an annual report on CASA’s forward regulatory program and how the views of the aviation community have been taken into account.
The views of the aviation community are always taken into account by consultation, then promptly ignored to the extent it's convenient “appropriate”.

(And could someone tell the brains trust at Australian Flying magazine that there is no “Civil Aviation Act 1996”.)
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