Trainee firefighter blows whistle, claiming teachers called students ‘fat f**ks, dumb
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator
Bring back National Service...........
Reminds me of a cousin who, as a young fellow was only one step removed from being a juvenile delinquent.
Much to everybody's surprise, he even made Sergeant at the end of his callup.
Nashos turned him into a useful citizen who eventually ran a very successful Stock and Station Agent business in his part of NSW.
Tootle pip!!
Originally Posted by LeadSled
Now, back to my major point, I would need a lot of convincing that the claims of the complainant are what really happened.
Tootle pip!!
Tootle pip!!
Formal investigations and stand-downs don't take place on a whim. A smart young lass like this one will have evidence and witnesses and I would be guessing that statements and evidence would have already been provided (wink, wink)...
You're the one preaching to us about strict liability on aa semi regular basis and this is no different, you should know that!
Originally Posted by LeadSled
Now, back to my major point, I would need a lot of convincing that the claims of the complainant are what really happened.
Tootle pip!!
Tootle pip!!
Formal investigations and stand-downs don't take place on a whim. A smart young lass like this one will have evidence and witnesses and I would be guessing that statements and evidence would have already been provided (wink, wink)...
“The two staff members have since received official sanctions including a formal written warning for one staff member, and formal counselling for the other,” the spokesperson said.
Leadsled,
Haven't you learnt not to keep digging when you're in a hole?
First off you missed the point she was a paramedic, so pretty much likely to be able to handle the stress level of any job, then you doubted the veracity of the allegation, which as the investigation pointed out, were upheld with the 2 dickheads being disciplined. Obviously you'd reached your conclusions without knowing any details, well done!
Haven't you learnt not to keep digging when you're in a hole?
First off you missed the point she was a paramedic, so pretty much likely to be able to handle the stress level of any job, then you doubted the veracity of the allegation, which as the investigation pointed out, were upheld with the 2 dickheads being disciplined. Obviously you'd reached your conclusions without knowing any details, well done!
Originally Posted by currawong
"Do you honesty think they would do this on the word of one recruit?"
Squawk did you actually read the article?
Squawk did you actually read the article?
Originally Posted by currawong
"First off you missed the point she was a paramedic"
Did anyone actually read the article?
Did anyone actually read the article?
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Correct. Still recommend reading it again.
I have no reason to believe the article is not factual. Needs to be read carefully and in its entirety though.
One written and one verbal warning for bad language. The gist and methodology of the training does not appear to have been affected at all.
Where is the stand down about which you speak? I have read it twice and can't seem to find it.
I have no reason to believe the article is not factual. Needs to be read carefully and in its entirety though.
One written and one verbal warning for bad language. The gist and methodology of the training does not appear to have been affected at all.
Where is the stand down about which you speak? I have read it twice and can't seem to find it.
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
Again, LeadSled, in this particular instance you are showing that you should stick with whatever it is that you do and steer clear of offering your thoughts on thinks event as it's very clear you have zero experience in this arena.
Formal investigations and stand-downs don't take place on a whim. A smart young lass like this one will have evidence and witnesses and I would be guessing that statements and evidence would have already been provided (wink, wink)...
Do you honesty think they would do this on the word of one recruit?
Strange as it may seem to you, I actually have quite a CV of experience in investigating matters that include matters very similar to what appears to have happened here.
"Honestly" --- Yes I do honestly believe I have seen some terrible miscarriages of justice by very one-side and far from competent investigations, and " modern OH&S management", or as often, insurance companies holding the D&O policy, all to happy to settle a matter regardless of any injustice done to the accused.
And all too often I have seen a "gang-up" of employees out to "get" a supervisor or similar, with very doubtful "evidence" to back up the complainant.
As far as I am concerned, I simply do not believe that the premise as described would be a balanced description of what really happened.
Again, based on my experience, it is usually down to the sixth interview before you really start to get a clear view as to what really happened. Anybody who investigates car insurance claims will know exactly what I mean.
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sixth interview before you really start to get a clear view
Whilst working as a Police officer I don't recall ever seeing any of my colleagues taking 6 interviews to charge an offender!
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
Whilst working as a Police officer I don't recall ever seeing any of my colleagues taking 6 interviews to charge an offender!
If getting at the "factual facts" is so easy and straightforward, why do we need courts, AAT and similar to sort disputed "facts" out ---- when the "facts" were clear all along??
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PS: I was recently told by an "expert inspector" that I couldn't have compressed nitrogen in the building (it was to supply pressure to hydraulic systems in a simulator) because "nitrogen is inflammable".
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Originally Posted by LeadSled
Folks,
Sound like some delicate little flowers wilted under the strain??
I suppose Airservices will have to provide "safe spaces" for those demanding it, and guaranteeing that ARFFS perx will not be confronted with upsetting circumstances that cause personal distress.
I am not being entirely sarcastic here, no names no packdrill, but in a certain airline two cabin crew perx under training quit during the cabin evacuation training, finding all the shouting and pushing and shoving "loud, physical and distressing" and in particular apparently felt that "evacuation commands" should have been "requests delivered in a less strident tone".
I kid you not. At least they quit, but will they sue??
Tootle pip!!
PS: PERX: a gender neutral term to describe an alleged member of the human race, consistent with the Australian Government style guide.
Sound like some delicate little flowers wilted under the strain??
I suppose Airservices will have to provide "safe spaces" for those demanding it, and guaranteeing that ARFFS perx will not be confronted with upsetting circumstances that cause personal distress.
I am not being entirely sarcastic here, no names no packdrill, but in a certain airline two cabin crew perx under training quit during the cabin evacuation training, finding all the shouting and pushing and shoving "loud, physical and distressing" and in particular apparently felt that "evacuation commands" should have been "requests delivered in a less strident tone".
I kid you not. At least they quit, but will they sue??
Tootle pip!!
PS: PERX: a gender neutral term to describe an alleged member of the human race, consistent with the Australian Government style guide.
well once busdriver we can agree on something
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Originally Posted by LeadSled
And that just about says it all about the "average" police approach, particularly when the "police" are CASA, ATSB, OH&S or other similar investigators.
If getting at the "factual facts" is so easy and straightforward, why do we need courts, AAT and similar to sort disputed "facts" out ---- when the "facts" were clear all along??
Tootle pip!!
PS: I was recently told by an "expert inspector" that I couldn't have compressed nitrogen in the building (it was to supply pressure to hydraulic systems in a simulator) because "nitrogen is inflammable".
If getting at the "factual facts" is so easy and straightforward, why do we need courts, AAT and similar to sort disputed "facts" out ---- when the "facts" were clear all along??
Tootle pip!!
PS: I was recently told by an "expert inspector" that I couldn't have compressed nitrogen in the building (it was to supply pressure to hydraulic systems in a simulator) because "nitrogen is inflammable".
So now the Police can't run a proper investigation eh LeadSled? Which Police force are you referring to or are you just covering them all with your sweeping motherhood statement?
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That is just an assumption. Perhaps she couldn't handle the stress, or was not very good at it, thus attempting a career change. ARFF are pretty much likely to never have to actually ply their trade. Lots of riding around in trucks though. Wonder if she'll apply for civvie firies. Assumptions again, of course.
ou missed the point she was a paramedic, so pretty much likely to be able to handle the stress level of any job
