Trainee firefighter blows whistle, claiming teachers called students ‘fat f**ks, dumb
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Trainee firefighter blows whistle, claiming teachers called students ‘fat f**ks, dumb
Australian firefighter recruit hits back at alleged abusive trainers
So the two perps got "sanctioned" by Airservices for their behaviour. Meanwhile someone who could well have turned out to be an excellent fire and rescue officer had their career flushed down the sh*tter.
So the two perps got "sanctioned" by Airservices for their behaviour. Meanwhile someone who could well have turned out to be an excellent fire and rescue officer had their career flushed down the sh*tter.
Australian firefighter recruit hits back at alleged abusive trainers
So the two perps got "sanctioned" by Airservices for their behaviour. Meanwhile someone who could well have turned out to be an excellent fire and rescue officer had their career flushed down the sh*tter.
So the two perps got "sanctioned" by Airservices for their behaviour. Meanwhile someone who could well have turned out to be an excellent fire and rescue officer had their career flushed down the sh*tter.
Sound like some delicate little flowers wilted under the strain??
I suppose Airservices will have to provide "safe spaces" for those demanding it, and guaranteeing that ARFFS perx will not be confronted with upsetting circumstances that cause personal distress.
I am not being entirely sarcastic here, no names no packdrill, but in a certain airline two cabin crew perx under training quit during the cabin evacuation training, finding all the shouting and pushing and shoving "loud, physical and distressing" and in particular apparently felt that "evacuation commands" should have been "requests delivered in a less strident tone".
I kid you not. At least they quit, but will they sue??
Tootle pip!!
PS: PERX: a gender neutral term to describe an alleged member of the human race, consistent with the Australian Government style guide.
“It’s hard to learn, stay focused and not make mistakes when you are on edge wondering what words might be yelled at you.”
Typical reply from LeadSled and really shows your age old chum! You can't treat people like that any more!
Airservices aren't the military and not even the military treats their soldiers like that any more and haven't done so for a long time!
On a side note... Was interesting to see The Age running a positive story today about ATC staff being in the top earners at $140k'ish average.
Stay tuned for the next story about them in the news which will be another negative one. Their marketing department will be crapping themselves this week!
Airservices aren't the military and not even the military treats their soldiers like that any more and haven't done so for a long time!
On a side note... Was interesting to see The Age running a positive story today about ATC staff being in the top earners at $140k'ish average.
Stay tuned for the next story about them in the news which will be another negative one. Their marketing department will be crapping themselves this week!
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Leadslead’s Neanderthal comments are neither funny nor appropriate.
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Despite the times we live in, there are some jobs that can be high stress, as I am sure you know. Before I criticise the ASA trainer, I would want to know a lot more about the real circumstances, because I don't believe the original premise, I wonder what the balanced story really was. And I don't have much faith in ASA senior management making other than PC determinations.
As for the airline case I quoted, and I do have confidence in the reporter, it is a pathetic example of the times, in which we live ----- Where "being nice and polite" takes precedence over giving orders and demanding action that might save lives. Sadly, even in the flightdeck, I have come across an inability to give orders, when an order was legally required ---- and this is NOT in circumstances of normal CRM interaction, so don't throw that one back.
Tootle pip!!
But according to Ms Madsen and Ms Davies, the reality of training
said she had “made so many sacrifices through the recruitment process to make it onto this team” including a move from Sydney
Meanwhile someone who could well have turned out to be an excellent fire and rescue officer had their career flushed down the sh*tter
her three-page resignation letter
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Still just trying to get my head around where giving orders and taking action" is justification for someone being called a "fat f*ck" or ""dumb". As Squawk7700 mentioned, even the military doesn't pull that crap any more. When I was an instructor at RMC Duntroon in the early 90s there were still a few knuckle dragging Neanderthals on staff who couldn't quite grasp the fact that you don't get the best out of an individual regardless of gender by shouting and screaming abuse.
If the facts of the complaint were not true I doubt very much that the disgruntled trainee would have gone public. AsA have not denied those facts but even here there seems to be people who subscribe to this type of behaviour.
The trainee may well have not been up to standard but there are more than adequate provisions under the AQTF to deal with this.
If the facts of the complaint were not true I doubt very much that the disgruntled trainee would have gone public. AsA have not denied those facts but even here there seems to be people who subscribe to this type of behaviour.
The trainee may well have not been up to standard but there are more than adequate provisions under the AQTF to deal with this.
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A three page resignation letter because I heard some nasty words. Did she realise she would attend aircraft fires, with potential deceased on board?
As for Neanderthals, the military have toughened up young snowflakes for centuries with those “nasty phrases”, and to good effect apparently.
If anyone is offended feel free to go to the safe room.
As for Neanderthals, the military have toughened up young snowflakes for centuries with those “nasty phrases”, and to good effect apparently.
If anyone is offended feel free to go to the safe room.
Still just trying to get my head around where giving orders and taking action" is justification for someone being called a "fat f*ck" or ""dumb". As Squawk7700 mentioned, even the military doesn't pull that crap any more. When I was an instructor at RMC Duntroon in the early 90s there were still a few knuckle dragging Neanderthals on staff who couldn't quite grasp the fact that you don't get the best out of an individual regardless of gender by shouting and screaming abuse.
If the facts of the complaint were not true I doubt very much that the disgruntled trainee would have gone public. AsA have not denied those facts but even here there seems to be people who subscribe to this type of behaviour.
The trainee may well have not been up to standard but there are more than adequate provisions under the AQTF to deal with this.
If the facts of the complaint were not true I doubt very much that the disgruntled trainee would have gone public. AsA have not denied those facts but even here there seems to be people who subscribe to this type of behaviour.
The trainee may well have not been up to standard but there are more than adequate provisions under the AQTF to deal with this.
One of the reasons I doubt the basic premise of the allegation is that I have never , in any aviation training (or other aviation) situation (this is not a building site and/or a CFMMEU "meeting") heard, or heard of such language being used, outside of a bar over a few beers, and never in a professional situation.
But I can well imagine ASA management going to water on the matter. And as some of you well know, I have been around aviation a long time.
If a few of you gave it a bit of thought before you jumped to abuse, yourselves, nothing I originally posted condoned the language allegedly used. I just need a lot of convincing the situation occurred as claimed, as opposed to just accepting the allegations of the disgruntled failed trainee.
Tootle pip!!
Last edited by LeadSled; 24th May 2018 at 06:38. Reason: vital punctuation correction
Originally Posted by tio540
Did she realise she would attend aircraft fires, with potential deceased on board?
Originally Posted by Leddie
If a few of you gave it a bit of thought before you jumped to abuse yourselves
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Once in a while a training establishment may have a staff member that over steps the mark. Time will tell.
Some operational environments are challenging, adverse and carry a degree of risk.
This risk can be managed to a degree by the quality of the training provided and the suitability of the candidates. Hats off to any individual that volunteers for these roles.
However not all measure up. Better to discover this early in the selection or training phase than later on operations where the consequences are final. Better for the individual, better for the organisation and better for the recipient of whatever service it is they provide.
Some operational environments are challenging, adverse and carry a degree of risk.
This risk can be managed to a degree by the quality of the training provided and the suitability of the candidates. Hats off to any individual that volunteers for these roles.
However not all measure up. Better to discover this early in the selection or training phase than later on operations where the consequences are final. Better for the individual, better for the organisation and better for the recipient of whatever service it is they provide.
Bring back National Service...........
I'll try but I just can't help it. Jumping in. To abuse myself.
Good catch, amazing what a missing comma can do to the intended meaning --- post suitably edited.
Now, back to my major point, I would need a lot of convincing that the claims of the complainant are what really happened.
Tootle pip!!