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Old 10th Oct 2018, 02:32
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Join Date: Feb 2018
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Cessna 172 hire Perth with instructor

Hi All

Getting back into the flying game and need to get current in a 172 and do a BFR. Does anyone know who has the cheapest rates going for hire out of Jandakot please? Curtin Flying Club is $250 an hour once current. An instructor would be additional.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 13:33
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Hi,

I'm Kevin from Perth and looking at starting my CPL training at Jandakot. Which flight school would you all recommend?

I've spoken to both Air Australia and Royal Aero Club. Both have been very helpful with my enquiries. Are there any others that are better than the two I have already mentioned?
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Kevinlee999 View Post
Hi,

I'm Kevin from Perth and looking at starting my CPL training at Jandakot. Which flight school would you all recommend?

I've spoken to both Air Australia and Royal Aero Club. Both have been very helpful with my enquiries. Are there any others that are better than the two I have already mentioned?
Hey Kevin,

I did all my training at JT so I thought I'll give you my take based on my experience.

RACWA are a big school but overpriced. I did a TIF with them but that was all - it just didn't make sense in my mind to pay $1000's more for the same license. I have been back to do a theory course but it was overpriced and poor IMO.

Air Australia look good on the surface but you are just a number there (bit like RACWA) and will be treated as such. They are the cheapest on the strip but equipment wise their planes are pretty tired. Personally I started my abinitio training there and was pretty disappointed, ended up moving onto another school to complete my CPL, went back to AA to do my instructor rating and again it was a mistake. The big plus for these guys is their part 142 approval - GST free training and a 150 hour course. In fairness though I personally don't know anyone who has got through a CPL in exactly 150 hours and unless you can train full time you have no chance.

Havent had much to do with Minnovation - they look like a bit of a boutique outfit.

JFC is where I felt I got the best value. They are primarily a charter company with operations in JT and Darwin so don't rely on their flight school for income. This is good in that they don't try and upsell you courses and also there is a definite progression pathway into charter - most people I know of who trained there did. Planes are newer and tidy as they have in house maintenance and their 172 fleet is comparably cheap to AA. Only downside right now is that they don't have Part 142 - meaning you need to pay GST and do a 200 hour course. I would recommend talking to these guys, especially if you want/need to train part time.

Hope that helps!

Cheers
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 10:30
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ATPL HUF TEM

Hey guys, recently attempted AHUF and although I thought I was ready I got 68% with the majority of my questions being TEM about 40%.
All my KDR's were TEM and the questions were like nothing that I had studied (the Bob Tait and AFT book, along with AFT Cyber exams).
Feeling a little stuck as I actually really enjoyed this subject. Not too sure where to start now but I would like to resit it ASAP.
Any help as to where to look etc will be appreciated
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 10:51
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Transitioning to a Career in Aviation - Things to consider?

Hi all,

Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, I'm new to PPRuNe and am hoping to reach Australian pilots, established and/or currently training towards their careers for advice, as a person who has no ties or real exposure to the commercial sides of aviation.

I've long wanted to become a commercial pilot or a doctor since I was young. I didn't go down the aviation path, as I didn't really have any funds to get me started in flight training, maintain ongoing training and build up my hours.

I went the medical pathway, and now I am seriously considering turning tables and going back towards aviation, given that I now earn a salary and can realistically support ongoing training and hour building. I am in my early - mid twenties and could potentially work as a locum to fit around training.

My only flight experience is with an RA-Aus license at current, though I am looking to swap to GA and progress towards PPL +/- CPL. I'd likely have to progress with private training to maintain flexibility.

I absolutely love flying, and at my current age and early stage in my medical career, I feel this is prime time to lock in a direction to head towards, as both fields place emphasis on seniority and ongoing training.

My main questions are:
- Are there any sacrifices that I should seriously consider before changing careers?
- Is there anything you wish you knew before you started about the career? (ie x gets stale after y years, or jetlag/family time/other lifestyle sacrifices that should be considered?)
- How long and arduous is the path before you can relax and comfortably work with relative stability in terms of hours and job prospects?
- Does it ever get boring after flying commercial for many years?
- Did you ever regret going into an aviation career?
- Am I better off working on a medical career and flying for recreation? Or incorporating aviation into a medical career, such as working for the RFDS?

Any other tips, advice or things I should think about would be extremely appreciated.

Thank you all for your help and guidance.
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Alisakg11 View Post
Hey guys, recently attempted AHUF and although I thought I was ready I got 68% with the majority of my questions being TEM about 40%.
All my KDR's were TEM and the questions were like nothing that I had studied (the Bob Tait and AFT book, along with AFT Cyber exams).
Feeling a little stuck as I actually really enjoyed this subject. Not too sure where to start now but I would like to resit it ASAP.
Any help as to where to look etc will be appreciated
AHUF or Human Factors.

Most people think this exam is easy, but there's not much room for error.
It's not a difficult exam, just need to take a step back and review the questions and answers, a person isn't sure of, prior to completing exam.

I haven't done this exam for a long while,I don't think much has changed with this exam.
The book i was given to study and which was part of the course, was, "Air Craft Human Performance and Limitations", by Tony Wilson.
Back cover of book, shows a photo of the author, as an Australian B727 airline pilot, also runs the Human Factors consultancy, Crew Dynamics.
I googled the book, and it's available for purchase online and at various places.

The book is about half an A4 page size and consists of 145 pages, it's easy reading.

All the best
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 14:25
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Smile Rex, Virgin, Jetstar and Qantas cadetship assessment.

Currently in year 12, decent scores in high level mathematics and physics. Soon time to apply for the airline cadetships. Psychometric tests are part of the application process for all of these programs. Any suggestions on how to prepare for these tests / what type of tests they use would be very much appreciated (I can't do abstract/spatial reasoning for the life of me).
Thanks a lot.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 13:44
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Flight Training School or go to University

Hi All,

I am fairly new to this forum so if there is a post that is under a similar case that I have or someone have asked the same thing that I am about to, please feel free to post the link.

Just wondering if you could give some advice/opinion for a female pilot-wannabe who is on her early 20s and still undecided if it is worth it to get a degree on Bachelor of Aviation or just try and get in a reputable flight school.

I do have some experience in Aviation where I have worked as a Cabin Crew for more than 2 rewarding years and from there, I fell more in love and dreamt to become a pilot.
I understand that there would be hardships and a long process but I am ready, mentally and physically, for any challenges in the road to get my wings.

If you guys think that going through a university or straight in a flight school is much more rewarding and efficient than the other, what schools would you recommend? Financially, I am not that flexible and I also understand that university and flight school costs an arm and a leg but I do have a bit of savings from my cabin crew years and I would so much rely on HECS help as well. I guess that is another thing that I have to consider when choosing schools.

Thank you for your wise advice/s!

Regards,
kbtrina
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 23:16
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Hi kbtrina,

Definitely choose flight school over university. You donít require a degree to hold a professional pilotís licence. The only degree Iíd consider doing is one that has an entrance path with an airline after graduation.

Apply for a cadetship. A lot of them have funding assistance via FEE HELP and youíll be looked at favourably with your prior airline background.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 11:38
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Originally Posted by jmg1403 View Post
Hi All

Can anyone recommend flying schools in Australia, preferably Sydney/Gold Coast. I have seen a few posts with people having bad experiences but no recommendations.

A bit about me, without trying to sound like i'm writing my profile on a dating website Im originally from Bonnie Scotland currently residing in Sydney. Im 33, work in Construction, and have wanted to be a pilot since my early teens. Realistically i would like to do the training full time- PPL-CPL as far as i am aware is the route, and aim to gain a cpl and look for a job in the RHS around the 36 mark. Giving me around 30 years of a flying career after that. I have read the posts about struggles of the job and training, costs etc but i think f*c* it you only live once and im in the position that my only commitment at the moment is myself and i have a job i can fall back on worst case scenario. Anyway enough negativity. Any help on the route i should take from here with regards to course structure and ratings to put me in the best position possible for employment would be great

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Old 16th Nov 2018, 17:04
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Nzicpa query

I am also thinking to join nzicpa this year. Please can you gogi some revisions about the school?
Originally Posted by Insanity1995 View Post
Ive been searching a lot for flight schools in New Zealand and have chosen to go with NZICPA (New Zealand International Commercial Pilot Academy) earlier called as FTM . Does anyone have any views on this school or any other opinions as to which might be better? Any help is appreciated
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 11:50
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Hi all,
I've been looking into the best/fastest way to becoming an airline pilot and wanted to ask a few questions about cadetships vs traditional flight school. I know they are both covered but the cadetships look to be around $50 000~ more than flight schools. How long would it be before i get my first airline job after flight school. I'm open to moving overseas for an airline job. Is it worth the extra money for the guaranteed job. Just want to know the best way really.

Also how hard is it to get into a cadetship. Are there any numbers on the acceptance rates. ATAR / mark requirements?

Thanks in advance
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 21:17
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Originally Posted by nathd54 View Post
Hi all,
I've been looking into the best/fastest way to becoming an airline pilot
Those two things are not necessarily the same


How long would it be before i get my first airline job after flight school.
How long is a piece of string? No-one will be able to give you a definitive answer for this... for some people, it'll be days to their first job... for some people, it'll be years. For an "airline" job specifically, most likely measured in years... as your chances of landing a job with an airline on a fresh CPL is close to zero unless you were in one of these cadetships. Most airlines will require several hundreds of hours more experience than a fresh CPL will have.


I'm open to moving overseas for an airline job.
Unless you have the legal right to live and work in another country, getting jobs overseas can be very problematic. Most companies will file "visa sponsorship" into the "too hard" basket. So, unless you're willing to go somewhere like Susi in Indonesia or maybe Botswana where they have a lot of flying, but a real dearth of "local" pilots... your chances of finding any flying job, let alone an "airline" one, overseas will be somewhat slim.


Is it worth the extra money for the guaranteed job. Just want to know the best way really.
IMHO, that depends a lot on what you want from aviation. If you just want to fly for an airline and don't want to experience the "fun and adventure" that is GA, then sure... Just remember, if you're going to need FEE-HELP, you will also need to factor in the 25% loan fee to work out how much the true costs are.


Also how hard is it to get into a cadetship. Are there any numbers on the acceptance rates. ATAR / mark requirements?
Each cadetship generally has their own minimum requirements. For instance, you can see the Jetstar ones here:
  • Australian citizen or permanent resident
  • Aged over 18 years on commencement of training
  • Capable of holding a CASA Class 1 Medical Certificate
  • Capable of holding an Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC)
  • Completed Victorian Certificate of Education (VCE) or equivalent
  • VCE Units 3 & 4 - a study score of at least 20 in English (any) and Further Mathematics or equivalent
  • Successful completion of CAEís Skills Assessment

Most, if not all, of the selection processes for the various cadetships will then involve interviews, sim ride and other aptitude tests to try to assess an applicants suitability. The results of these assessments is generally more of a deciding factor than your academic performance at school. As long as you meet the minimum requirements to apply, they'll probably give you a shot at the assessment. I've even heard that some of them make you pay for the assessment:
Originally Posted by http://www.cae.com/civil-aviation/aviation-professionals/become-a-pilot/our-pilot-training-programmes/jetstar-cadet-pilot-program/
Please note: An assessment fee of approximately $150 will apply.
As for acceptance rates... The answer is definitely low... By their own admission, the cadetships get a high volume of applications and they have limited spaces.


At the end of the day, if you sole goal is "Airlines"... then applying for cadetships probably won't hurt (except for the assessment fees) and at the very least you'll get some interview experience. The extra upfront costs will probably be recouped assuming you get that "guaranteed" job. Additionally, if you aren't successful with getting a cadetship spot, you can then try the "old-fashioned" way and complete your flight training at the flight school of your choice and work your way up to an airline gig through GA.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 05:09
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Advice for aspiring pilot of Melbourne

Afternoon all.

Being completely new to the aviation scene, I was just looking for some advice, and also the thoughts of current professional pilots in regards to going into the field of commercial aviation.

With piloting being a dream of mine since I was young, I recently applied, and received an offer for the Bachelor of Aviation at Swinburne University of Technology.
However, all in all, it will be north of $100k to complete the course, although it offers a chance at Qantas Future Pilot Program.
This degree is attractive, as I am able to put most of it under HECS Fee-help instead of paying for flight training upfront.

A $100k degree is no joke, hence I am trying to get some more information when making a decision like this.

How useful is a degree (Bachelor of Applied Science - Piloting) if you are looking for a job after graduation at one of the major airlines?
What advice can you give me as a professional pilot?
What other pathways are available that give a more "employable" resume at the end of the day?
Is the amount of flight hours always more attractive?

Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 03:45
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Australian Aviation Universities

Was just having a bit of look through the UNSW website

Seemed to say quite clearly that you could not HECS/VETFee/AussieGovtLoan (whatever it is called now) your flying training & that the cost of
that is born by the applicant , $130K for the "basic" course CPL/IR ; was just a bit surprised that they don't have a loan mechanism set -up ; major Uni etc

Think at Swinburne / Griffith flying training definitely can be put on loans system & likely also for RMIT/USQ

UNSW meant to be a pretty good course & surely would the pay up front would limit the possibility to only those school leavers with substantive family financial backing
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 11:06
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GU allows students to access HECS to cover undergraduate course tuition (most courses have this option). As GU run their flight training component through a postgrauduate course, students use FEE-HELP to cover most of the cost associated with that (CPL+MEIR+ATPL subjects). Thus, VET Student Loans, and their 20% loading, is avoided.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:06
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Am I too old/big for a pilot career?

Hi all,

I am 34 years old, married with three kids. Recently I applied for a position with Airservices Australia as an ATC trainee and was unsuccessful, it seems that my 49% spatial vision did not get me across the line. Anyway, moral of the story is that I was devastated. Always wanted to be a pilot but never pursued it as quite frankly I did not have the money. Recently I found out that there is now the possibility of getting student loans to fund a decent portion of the training, I would love to do it but it is obviously a big leap and I was hoping some of you guys/gals can help me out.

My questions are:

1. Is 34 too old to consider flight training? I would love to one day be a long haul pilot, is it realistic? I have heard that due to this pilot shortage that new pilots have been recruited in their 40ís, is this actually true?

2. In the last 10 years I have fluctuated between 105kg - 130kg, desk jobs have not been kind. Currently I am sitting on 120kg. I know Soar Aviation state their planes have a 110kg weight limit for their introductory flights, what is the deal with other flight schools? I am about 6í2 so generally I carry weight well and donít look huge but obviously it could be an issue.

I would really appreciate your your thoughts on this, please be honest, if it is something that can only be a dream than I would rather know that now.

Looking forward to your responses.

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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:32
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First things first - go and get your 1st class medical. If you fail it then your problems are all solved.

So called "pilot shortage" is not about 200h FOs. It is all about experienced capitans. There is no shortage of fATPL pilots. Expect fierce competition.

While not necessarily a show-stopper your weight may affect available selection of training equipment and instructors. If you decide to go Dutch and learn to fly in c152, then with full tanks you have about 50kgs left for an instructor.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 16:13
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If successful, you'll have at least 2 decades of flying ahead of you. Prospective professional pilots generally move to where the flying jobs are, so family considerations could be problematic. Learn to fly in a Piper Warrior.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 18:45
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As terrible as this sounds, depending on the line of work you move into, you may be considered too big.

130kg Pilot in a small plane leaves a lot less payload available than a 60-70kg 18 year old competing for the same jobs. Thats potentially 1 more passenger on a scenic/charter flight that you won't be able to carry. Unfortunately, this does happen in GA.
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