Did Barrier get their AOC back?
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Aroa, I am sure they uncovered some of the standard parlous findings at Barrier that CAsA usually concentrate on;
- Pilots observed wearing partially un-ironed shirts. PENALTY 25 points.
- Pilots log book not having the correct spelling (i.e letter 't' not crossed and failure to dot an 'i'). PENALTY 50 points.
- Aircraft tyre found to have a blade of grass laying upon it. PENALTY 25 points.
- DG storage bin - found to contain an unlabelled bottle of mineral turpentine. PENALTY 75 points.
- Pilots flight manual - Ring binder found to be slightly corroded due to humidity levels. PENALTY 50 points.
- Chief Pilots Office - Failure to have a framed portait of Fuhrer McCormick hanging on the wall. PENALTY 100 points.
- Flight Deck - An aircraft flight deck found to contain lose and hazardous materials laying on the floor which could interfere with a pilots ability to operate the aircraft safely (i.e they found the job section of Friday's Australian and one copy of American Hustler on the floor). PENALTY 75 points.
- Pilot failing to wear hi-vis vest while kicking two tyres during pre-flight check. PENALTY 25 points.
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While the Hon. Warren Entsch MP is calling for an Inquiry (at long last) into the CNS office..that's only one scratch on the whole rotten edifice.
- What benefit would any Government gain from an inquiry into CASA?
- How many votes are there is FNQ GA?
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Big Wazza has been led astray a bit.
The BN2s are not serviceable until the maintenance issues are rectified.
Phil, the named CASA bloke has a very good reputation in the industry.
The BN2s are not serviceable until the maintenance issues are rectified.
Phil, the named CASA bloke has a very good reputation in the industry.
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it depends where you are standing....
"Phil the named CAsA bloke has a very good reputation in the industry". 
Certainly NOT what anecdotal evidence is telling folk in FNQ...!!
Reputation for what, exactly.????
Does the BN2 maintenance issue have legs???
Certainly NOT what anecdotal evidence is telling folk in FNQ...!!
Reputation for what, exactly.????
Does the BN2 maintenance issue have legs???
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Aroa, until someone is willing to certify the outstanding maintenance I don't see them flying.
Phil has a good rep in the circles I travel.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Phil has a good rep in the circles I travel.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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"Phil has a good rep in the circles I travel."
On the dark side of the moon perhaps ??
"What benefit would any Government gain from an inquiry into CASA?"
Maybe a viable industry that could grow and contribute to the economy?
On the dark side of the moon perhaps ??
"What benefit would any Government gain from an inquiry into CASA?"
Maybe a viable industry that could grow and contribute to the economy?
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Maybe a viable industry that could grow and contribute to the economy?
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Taily,
its sad but aint that the truth.
When corruption, or if thats too strong a word, incompetence, is apparent
in any of our statutory authorities and its politically accepted, then there is no hope for this country. Head up for everyone, the trick is picking out the right person to throw the money at, thats the secret of doing business in those countries that accept corruption as the norm.
its sad but aint that the truth.
When corruption, or if thats too strong a word, incompetence, is apparent
in any of our statutory authorities and its politically accepted, then there is no hope for this country. Head up for everyone, the trick is picking out the right person to throw the money at, thats the secret of doing business in those countries that accept corruption as the norm.
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The vast majority of those in Canberra have no idea of the hardships faced by rural Aussies often totally reliant upon very expensive GA and low capacity air services.
The days of the "commuter airline" in under 5,700 kg aircraft are virtually over, killed off by far better roads than 50 years ago, better vehicles more suited to long distance travel, hub and spoke airline operations between major centers, high aircraft operating costs and a concerted effort by CASA to kill off GA.
The days of the "commuter airline" in under 5,700 kg aircraft are virtually over, killed off by far better roads than 50 years ago, better vehicles more suited to long distance travel, hub and spoke airline operations between major centers, high aircraft operating costs and a concerted effort by CASA to kill off GA.
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"and a concerted effort by CASA to kill off GA."
Taily,
Again, "aint that the truth".
Remember the Maslings, the Hazeltons, the Kendels, who provided our country folk with a vital link with the big smoke? Can you imagine today under the current "Regime"them even getting past "There is obviously a need"...to be crushed by "It's not finacially viable".
When it costs upwards of a million dollars, and months of trying to figure out exactly what the FOI of the day wants, just for the AOC, its little wonder.
I have heard of an operator where it cost a hundred grand and over twelve months just to put a simple aircraft, which in the US would be considered not much above a 172 in complexity, on their AOC. Today companies with a need, are giving away air travel, because its too expensive, for road transport, which of course is "Safer".
Of course when their avis car collects a road train and wipes out the senior management of kickatinalong mine the statistic dosnt get attributed to CAsA and their B..ll Sh..t regulations.
Taily,
Again, "aint that the truth".
Remember the Maslings, the Hazeltons, the Kendels, who provided our country folk with a vital link with the big smoke? Can you imagine today under the current "Regime"them even getting past "There is obviously a need"...to be crushed by "It's not finacially viable".
When it costs upwards of a million dollars, and months of trying to figure out exactly what the FOI of the day wants, just for the AOC, its little wonder.
I have heard of an operator where it cost a hundred grand and over twelve months just to put a simple aircraft, which in the US would be considered not much above a 172 in complexity, on their AOC. Today companies with a need, are giving away air travel, because its too expensive, for road transport, which of course is "Safer".
Of course when their avis car collects a road train and wipes out the senior management of kickatinalong mine the statistic dosnt get attributed to CAsA and their B..ll Sh..t regulations.
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The pilots that worked for Maslings, Hazeltons, Kendels, Davey, Norfolk Island and the many other "third level airlines" that built Australia serving the bush and Australia's protectorate, Papua New Guinea, occupy a unique place of honour in Australian aviation history.
Changing circumstances, increased aircraft operating costs, demise of the Rural Air Services Scheme (RASS) and other rural subsidies and changing CASA philosophies ensure there will probably never again be a viable third level airline industry in Australia.
Changing circumstances, increased aircraft operating costs, demise of the Rural Air Services Scheme (RASS) and other rural subsidies and changing CASA philosophies ensure there will probably never again be a viable third level airline industry in Australia.
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"occupy a unique place of honour in Australian aviation history."
They should Tailey,
to everyone except our regulator who considers their experience and knowledge with utter contempt.
They should Tailey,
to everyone except our regulator who considers their experience and knowledge with utter contempt.
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I should have also added ANR or Reg 203 services to low capacity airline services and third level airline services.
Unfortunately the ludicrous insanity of the 1988 CARs effectively killed off essential low capacity airline services in rural Australia.
Unfortunately the ludicrous insanity of the 1988 CARs effectively killed off essential low capacity airline services in rural Australia.
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Just my two bob's worth, I can't believe the 'issues' are any longer just about Barrier (and others) or Quadrio (and others) or Pel Air (and others). All have played a small part in exposing 'the system' for what it truly is and form part of the matrix which defines the awful state aviation finds itself bogged down in. To allow the closure of Barrier or any carrier under the present system only reinforces it.
There are, for probably the first time, several political types interested. The Pel Air debacle has great potential to become the catalyst for much needed reform. It is up to industry now to keep that interest focussed. The Hon. Entsch now has a speech on Hansard proposing an inquiry, that needs your support; Sen. the Hon Macdonald has picked up a bat along with the now bi partisan RRAT committee, there is a 176 page report, produced at great expense which goes some way toward assisting industry. The least anyone can do is send an email supporting and reinforcing the efforts made on industry behalf; bit like the local footy team, they do better, much better (win loose or draw) with support from the sidelines.
This is no longer just about "Barrier" but about this industry getting involved and using the tools available to prevent a travesty, like Barrier etc. etc. ever happening again. The tools are there, just need some willing hands encouraging the politicos to get the job done.
Hon. Warren Entsch MP, Member for Leichhardt, Qld.
Chief Opposition Whip.
Tel: (07) 4051 2220
Fax: (07) 4031 1592
[email protected]
There are, for probably the first time, several political types interested. The Pel Air debacle has great potential to become the catalyst for much needed reform. It is up to industry now to keep that interest focussed. The Hon. Entsch now has a speech on Hansard proposing an inquiry, that needs your support; Sen. the Hon Macdonald has picked up a bat along with the now bi partisan RRAT committee, there is a 176 page report, produced at great expense which goes some way toward assisting industry. The least anyone can do is send an email supporting and reinforcing the efforts made on industry behalf; bit like the local footy team, they do better, much better (win loose or draw) with support from the sidelines.
This is no longer just about "Barrier" but about this industry getting involved and using the tools available to prevent a travesty, like Barrier etc. etc. ever happening again. The tools are there, just need some willing hands encouraging the politicos to get the job done.
Dear Sir - I applaud your speech in the adjournment debate, June 5, 2013 and fully support the call for inquiry into the behaviour of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) at Cairns base in the matter of Barrier Aviation.. Which, in my opinion, has been disgraceful and ... etc. (as you like).
Chief Opposition Whip.
Tel: (07) 4051 2220
Fax: (07) 4031 1592
[email protected]
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red rovered...
all well over, unless there is some divine intervention. Few parked at YMBA as well.
Nothing has changed at the CNS *cantoment/northern outpost of Fort Fumble.
Latest word is that "Bent Robbo" Haslam & co is up to his tricks again..this time with a charter PA 32.
The Robbo moniker story has MANY interesting twists, and since he would be aware of breaches of regs by the pilot of...shouldnt there be some prosecutions.?? Being "senior investigator" and all that....
Or are we looking at NONfeasance..or just different strokes for different folks.
Or does the CDPP just reject briefs from CAsA CNS as duds straight off.
Oh, such a place of integrity, fairness, honesty and consistency...NOT
Have always wondered who took credit for writing that crapdoc, the code of conduct? (so called)
* cantonment, fr Fr canton. ...a permanent military station of slighter character than barracks. Webster.
But still bloody dangerous.!
Nothing has changed at the CNS *cantoment/northern outpost of Fort Fumble.
Latest word is that "Bent Robbo" Haslam & co is up to his tricks again..this time with a charter PA 32.
The Robbo moniker story has MANY interesting twists, and since he would be aware of breaches of regs by the pilot of...shouldnt there be some prosecutions.?? Being "senior investigator" and all that....
Or are we looking at NONfeasance..or just different strokes for different folks.
Or does the CDPP just reject briefs from CAsA CNS as duds straight off.
Oh, such a place of integrity, fairness, honesty and consistency...NOT
Have always wondered who took credit for writing that crapdoc, the code of conduct? (so called)
* cantonment, fr Fr canton. ...a permanent military station of slighter character than barracks. Webster.
But still bloody dangerous.!
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Aroa, the legacy of Herr Campbell alive and well in the North still?
His Gestapo still reeking havoc up there? Bullying, threats and intimidation are a standard way of life in the tropics. But that's what happens when you mix together a group of grown men who are hen pecked husbands, have spent to much time baking in the North Queensland sun, and have undersized penises.
His Gestapo still reeking havoc up there? Bullying, threats and intimidation are a standard way of life in the tropics. But that's what happens when you mix together a group of grown men who are hen pecked husbands, have spent to much time baking in the North Queensland sun, and have undersized penises.
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I noticed Barrier appeared to be taking CASA to the AAT in sydney this week, i thought yesterday, yet no decision listed on the AATor austlii website.
Who knows what? ?
Who knows what? ?
