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Essendon and Tullamarine are very close together and I don't recall anyone running into each other from those airports.
Lilydale and Coldstream are close together CTAFs and two aircraft once collided in circuits if I'm not mistake.
I'm sure with today's technology and thinkers they will find a method for airport harmony.
Lilydale and Coldstream are close together CTAFs and two aircraft once collided in circuits if I'm not mistake.
I'm sure with today's technology and thinkers they will find a method for airport harmony.
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Stuff the tourists! Missed the point completely this is about business travellers.
An internationally connected Toowoomba means that businesses that require access to an international airport can get the hell out of Brisbane and locate to where its cheaper to operate and where their employees can get a cheaper and better lifestyle for themselves and their families.
This was the whole point of my rants when joining Pprune way back when. International connections are vital to attracting business investment - which is why the Qantas Sydeny - centric model has been a disaster for the other Australian States.
Go the Toowoomba!
So after the 747 load of tourists exit the terminal, where do they go?
An internationally connected Toowoomba means that businesses that require access to an international airport can get the hell out of Brisbane and locate to where its cheaper to operate and where their employees can get a cheaper and better lifestyle for themselves and their families.
This was the whole point of my rants when joining Pprune way back when. International connections are vital to attracting business investment - which is why the Qantas Sydeny - centric model has been a disaster for the other Australian States.
Go the Toowoomba!
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Yeah, I can see the terminals around Australia are choked to overflowing with disappointed businessmen all clamoring for a flight to TWB.
Good luck to them. At least the couple of Dash-8's currently serving the demand will never have to worry about running out of runway.
From the article (my underlining):
"If you build it, they will come".
Good luck to them. At least the couple of Dash-8's currently serving the demand will never have to worry about running out of runway.
The Wagners are not looking 5 or even 10 years out
From the article (my underlining):
The facility, with a 2.87km runway capable of taking jets up to Boeing 747s, will be in use by the second half of next year and is expected to handle 500,000 passengers a year by 2019.
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"An internationally connected Toowoomba"
China - TWB ????
With a decent high speed road all the way to Western Brisbane,
it wouldn't be a bad option.
"An internationally connected Toowoomba"
China - TWB ????
With a decent high speed road all the way to Western Brisbane,
it wouldn't be a bad option.
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A Greek proverb says:
""A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
This can be attributed to what the Wagners are doing. If blokes like them were running the country, Australia would be the greatest country on the planet!
Toowoomba is a rapidly expanding city, whose advantage is the mix of metropolitan and country lifestyle at a lower living cost. Next to Newcastle, it is the probably the second largest road transport hub in Australia. The people there are only RPT airserviced by a DH-8 to Sydney and west to Mt Isa, on a short, hump in the middle, windy, foggy, extreme weather infested airport that supplies many GA support services.
The YBOK airspace is a non-issue. It's never active! I'm pretty sure they work to the same schedule as the Oakey Shire Council
""A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
This can be attributed to what the Wagners are doing. If blokes like them were running the country, Australia would be the greatest country on the planet!
Toowoomba is a rapidly expanding city, whose advantage is the mix of metropolitan and country lifestyle at a lower living cost. Next to Newcastle, it is the probably the second largest road transport hub in Australia. The people there are only RPT airserviced by a DH-8 to Sydney and west to Mt Isa, on a short, hump in the middle, windy, foggy, extreme weather infested airport that supplies many GA support services.
The YBOK airspace is a non-issue. It's never active! I'm pretty sure they work to the same schedule as the Oakey Shire Council
Excellent proverb, Beach King.
A more appropriate one for our times could be:
"A society grows mediocre when its so-called leaders can't see past the next election."
A more appropriate one for our times could be:
"A society grows mediocre when its so-called leaders can't see past the next election."
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A thread full of pilots talking down the first major new airport projects in how long?
Like seriously, WTF?
There's some really rich dudes that want to spend their money on it, what the hell does it matter if any of us think it is economically feasible or ever be very popular with the traveling public?
Like seriously, WTF?
There's some really rich dudes that want to spend their money on it, what the hell does it matter if any of us think it is economically feasible or ever be very popular with the traveling public?
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I can remember all the negative bs from the knockers to a certain airport on a certain island just north of Mackay.
Much as I hate to say it, but Toowoomba Airport is probably past its use by date.
Much as I hate to say it, but Toowoomba Airport is probably past its use by date.
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Ultimately they can build whatever they like, its their land. But CASA are under no obligation to register it, and defence are under no obligation to subdivide airspace to accomodate them. Shows a bit of arrogance just going forth and building the thing without getting some assurances first. Shows more arrogance assuming certain organisations will accomodate them. I wish them luck, but I believe Defence have already told them to 'bang it squarely'. I know AsA had a similar reaction.....its going to be a good one to watch.
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Was the land acquired around Badgery's Creek in the late 80's or early 90's?
How long have the proposed parallel runways been in the Melways?
Brisbane airport, enough said.
Since when is it up to service providers (ASA) to dictate to their customers where they can put an airport? Arrogance from who? Did they tell the mines in WA where they could locate airports?
If you are waiting for governments to do their job & build infrastructure, move to the US or some parts of Europe. Australia is now the highest cost place to do business in the world due red tape & regulation. More communism to come from the proletariat. Brace your yourself for that.
270 odd billion of debt & climbing from zero debt, and you are now paying 33% more for health, 20% for power. Who do reckon is payin her power bill? The same who will ensure she becomes a millionaire on retirement.
How long have the proposed parallel runways been in the Melways?
Brisbane airport, enough said.
Since when is it up to service providers (ASA) to dictate to their customers where they can put an airport? Arrogance from who? Did they tell the mines in WA where they could locate airports?
If you are waiting for governments to do their job & build infrastructure, move to the US or some parts of Europe. Australia is now the highest cost place to do business in the world due red tape & regulation. More communism to come from the proletariat. Brace your yourself for that.
270 odd billion of debt & climbing from zero debt, and you are now paying 33% more for health, 20% for power. Who do reckon is payin her power bill? The same who will ensure she becomes a millionaire on retirement.
Jack, as a service provider don't they have a responsibility to protect and maintain the level of service currently being provided? I'm talking approaches and airspace. AsA provides the approaches at YBOK and YTWB. Don't they have an obligation to those aerodromes to tell the Wellcamp mob to go somewhere else? There has been no confirmed info that YTWB is actually closing. Do we penalise YTWB or YBOK for the aerodrome? I would sugge st both locations would rather we didn't
Same goes for defence. Don't they also have an obligation to their masters to protect their airspace?
Yes AsA does have input into placing of aerodromes in the west. Previously advice has been ignored and now the predicament is 3 aerodromes all within a bees dick of one another and due confliction, approaches only available at 2 of them.
I'm all for new infrastructure, god knows we need it. But you have to be sensible about it, and too much about this development doesn't make alot of sense. The upside is at least its not taxpayer funded....yet
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Same goes for defence. Don't they also have an obligation to their masters to protect their airspace?
Yes AsA does have input into placing of aerodromes in the west. Previously advice has been ignored and now the predicament is 3 aerodromes all within a bees dick of one another and due confliction, approaches only available at 2 of them.
I'm all for new infrastructure, god knows we need it. But you have to be sensible about it, and too much about this development doesn't make alot of sense. The upside is at least its not taxpayer funded....yet
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They should probably talk to ASA, defence etc. In a perfect world it would be government doing the jobs governments do, use tax dollars to provide the infrastructure to facilitate business.
If they don't build it, they get to 'negotiate' with those who do. You watch government clamour all over this when it's a success. Protecting other aerodromes becomes a case of competition perhaps?
If they don't build it, they get to 'negotiate' with those who do. You watch government clamour all over this when it's a success. Protecting other aerodromes becomes a case of competition perhaps?
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Alpha hits on a good point.
This airfield can only become viable if AsA and CASA can design airspace and approaches to make it work safely. They must consider existing airspace and all potential users. This process starts with an understanding of traffic volume and flow, and that information is currently nonexistent because there is no current requirement. If Wellcamp was planned to be an ALA in class G airspace there would be no problem; but 767s don't operate to ALAs and there is no military controlled airspace to the ground where the mines built their strips.
Despite airy posts to the contrary this airfield will have a major effect on defence flying ops based at Oakey and Amberley, and will effectively close Toowoomba. There is no GA park planned for Wellcamp.
While the PR is all about providing a community service, this project is about making money for Wagners, probably in servicing the Surat basin. I would be a lot more positive if the onus was not on us as taxpayers to make it work.
This airfield can only become viable if AsA and CASA can design airspace and approaches to make it work safely. They must consider existing airspace and all potential users. This process starts with an understanding of traffic volume and flow, and that information is currently nonexistent because there is no current requirement. If Wellcamp was planned to be an ALA in class G airspace there would be no problem; but 767s don't operate to ALAs and there is no military controlled airspace to the ground where the mines built their strips.
Despite airy posts to the contrary this airfield will have a major effect on defence flying ops based at Oakey and Amberley, and will effectively close Toowoomba. There is no GA park planned for Wellcamp.
While the PR is all about providing a community service, this project is about making money for Wagners, probably in servicing the Surat basin. I would be a lot more positive if the onus was not on us as taxpayers to make it work.
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Emergov,
You really need to do some research mate instead of writing posts on PPRUNE during your taxpayer funded working hours. Whilst Airservices is responsible for Instrument Approach design criteria they don't necessarily design and pay for all IAL procedures. I think you will find that private enterprise has to pay for the design installation and testing of some of the above. What exactly, and how much, I am not sure and will happily apologise if I am wrong.
Secondly, to your shock and horror, of course Wagner's are doing this to make money. That my friend is what private enterprise is all about and the sooner you understand that the better. Enterprise makes money, employs people, creates infrastructure which all generates more tax to Government who happily uses it for many things including your wages. And yes I am an individual who is involved in a private enterprise hence my view.
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You really need to do some research mate instead of writing posts on PPRUNE during your taxpayer funded working hours. Whilst Airservices is responsible for Instrument Approach design criteria they don't necessarily design and pay for all IAL procedures. I think you will find that private enterprise has to pay for the design installation and testing of some of the above. What exactly, and how much, I am not sure and will happily apologise if I am wrong.
Secondly, to your shock and horror, of course Wagner's are doing this to make money. That my friend is what private enterprise is all about and the sooner you understand that the better. Enterprise makes money, employs people, creates infrastructure which all generates more tax to Government who happily uses it for many things including your wages. And yes I am an individual who is involved in a private enterprise hence my view.
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Actually I reckon Wagners may not be so concerned about the ROI, although if I remember Dennis he is not a careless invested.
I would not be surprised if this is them saying enough is enough. We want a decent home strip for the Falcon. So why not invest in local infrastructure that the community needs also.
I would not be surprised if this is them saying enough is enough. We want a decent home strip for the Falcon. So why not invest in local infrastructure that the community needs also.