CASA Suspends Barrier Aviation Operations
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Simple Maths
I am surprised not one of you posting on this forum has mentioned the mathematical formulae which if applied in business can instantly solve the immediate problem at hand here. It’s so simple and you need not to have the IQ of Albert Einstein to apply it. The formula goes like this.
You charge more for your services than the costs of providing those services. If you indeed charge less, eventually, areas in your business will begin to suffer.
There is an old saying in Aviation which goes like this.
Start with 2 million dollars and very soon you will have just1 million left.
Most companies go down the Shute because they fail to apply simple maths to the day to day running of the company. Areas of their business begin to suffer however all staff and management are too busy flying around the country side free of charge to notice the imminent danger.
One day the regulator turns up before the danger gets to a critical level. Then the regulator is the big bad wolf. No one mentions the company flying for gratis has not only failed to do their maths but they have contributed to the demise of General Aviation within Australia. Let this be a lesson to all operators. Get an accountant to do your maths. Listen to him or her because that’s what accountants are good at. Don’t fly for nothing just so you can tell people at the local watering hole you have x number of planes and x number of staff. N.D.
You charge more for your services than the costs of providing those services. If you indeed charge less, eventually, areas in your business will begin to suffer.
There is an old saying in Aviation which goes like this.
Start with 2 million dollars and very soon you will have just1 million left.
Most companies go down the Shute because they fail to apply simple maths to the day to day running of the company. Areas of their business begin to suffer however all staff and management are too busy flying around the country side free of charge to notice the imminent danger.
One day the regulator turns up before the danger gets to a critical level. Then the regulator is the big bad wolf. No one mentions the company flying for gratis has not only failed to do their maths but they have contributed to the demise of General Aviation within Australia. Let this be a lesson to all operators. Get an accountant to do your maths. Listen to him or her because that’s what accountants are good at. Don’t fly for nothing just so you can tell people at the local watering hole you have x number of planes and x number of staff. N.D.
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New Direction,
How does your post relate to this thread ?.
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Start with 2 million dollars and very soon you will have just1 million left.
I am surprised not one of you posting on this forum has mentioned the mathematical formulae which if applied in business can instantly solve the immediate problem at hand here. It’s so simple and you need not to have the IQ of Albert Einstein to apply it. The formula goes like this.
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From personal experience with the Darwin Operation they always came across as reliable from both the perspective of their pilots and the passengers they regularly carried, sad to see this happen, all we can hope now is that CASA does indeed have a good reason for this and its forthcoming!!
New Direction, you can talk maths all you like but its a bit more complicated than just "Charge more than it costs" not to mention they have been around for something like 30years so they've been doing something right this entire time!! Maybe you're thinking of DirectAir who went bust?
New Direction, you can talk maths all you like but its a bit more complicated than just "Charge more than it costs" not to mention they have been around for something like 30years so they've been doing something right this entire time!! Maybe you're thinking of DirectAir who went bust?
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VH-MLE
Excuse me Sir could you please explain to us where Lead Sled's post is nonsense. I see elsewhere that CASA has so far taken 23 years and in excess of $200 million to rewrite (Australianize) the regulations. All this time and money for absolutely no demonstrated safety benefit while at the same time having a proven detrimental effect on the Australian aviation industry when compared with countries that use the FAA regulations. You and the government seem to think casa is doing a good job. Should I be looking at a picture of the casa board and tugging my forelock?
Your Humble Servant RA
Excuse me Sir could you please explain to us where Lead Sled's post is nonsense. I see elsewhere that CASA has so far taken 23 years and in excess of $200 million to rewrite (Australianize) the regulations. All this time and money for absolutely no demonstrated safety benefit while at the same time having a proven detrimental effect on the Australian aviation industry when compared with countries that use the FAA regulations. You and the government seem to think casa is doing a good job. Should I be looking at a picture of the casa board and tugging my forelock?
Your Humble Servant RA
Rutan Around,
Don't be bothered too much by our protagonist -MLE. he,she or it (we must be non-discriminatory) is just suffering from a touch of cognitive diversity.
Apparently, facts can mean quite different things to different people.
Tootle pip!!
Don't be bothered too much by our protagonist -MLE. he,she or it (we must be non-discriminatory) is just suffering from a touch of cognitive diversity.
Apparently, facts can mean quite different things to different people.
Tootle pip!!
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Ok, so now that we've all finished our little pissing contests, can we get back on track?
Theres been a lot of talk about Barrier "operating aircraft with serious and known defects", I think we've all come to the conclusion that its the Horn Island side of their operations causing the hassles and this has been backed up by various media releases, but has anyone got any information about what the "Serious and known defects" comprise of?
I'm curious if at some point CASA are required to publicly divulge their list of allegations? I'm assuming that as part of the process to extend the grounding they had to show the magistrate the evidence they had so would this be publicly available?
I apologise if these sound like stupid questions, my understanding of the whole legal proceedings side and what they do and don't have to publicly divulge is admittedly a bit lacking!!
Theres been a lot of talk about Barrier "operating aircraft with serious and known defects", I think we've all come to the conclusion that its the Horn Island side of their operations causing the hassles and this has been backed up by various media releases, but has anyone got any information about what the "Serious and known defects" comprise of?
I'm curious if at some point CASA are required to publicly divulge their list of allegations? I'm assuming that as part of the process to extend the grounding they had to show the magistrate the evidence they had so would this be publicly available?
I apologise if these sound like stupid questions, my understanding of the whole legal proceedings side and what they do and don't have to publicly divulge is admittedly a bit lacking!!
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JOSH COX : FNQ including the Straights so yes it is mate, really. I'm sure if you had the same knowledge as I on the area and companies that operate there you would form a similar opinion
The nature of this forum is to be able to express opinion and comment on issues without the need to identify ones self for professional and personal reason so I'm not going to elaborate on my back ground etc but I stand by my comments.
The nature of this forum is to be able to express opinion and comment on issues without the need to identify ones self for professional and personal reason so I'm not going to elaborate on my back ground etc but I stand by my comments.
Bang..you're dead.
Gibson's statement (ABC #132 slam click) gives you the idea.
The Fort will fumble on for another 6 weeks ? .and by then Barrier will probably cease to exist. Mission accomplished.
I did note in some of CASA's original statements on grounding .."they wanted more time to investigate" Que?
The normal process it to investigate to prove up the allegations, acquire the evidence FIRST..then make a move.
Ah ha..but in the name of "safety" we can..... ??... do anything.!
And even make it up if we have to cobble up a case.
1. CASA the unaccountable dont have to divulge anything. Just in receipt of some FOI pages that consist of big BLACK rectangles !
Information? Thats not information, that's BULLSH*T SUPREME.
But that's the games they love to play.
2. If and when it gets to court...All will out.
Then we might know of the seriousness of the defects that caused the sky to fall in on Barrier.
Just interested.
The Fort will fumble on for another 6 weeks ? .and by then Barrier will probably cease to exist. Mission accomplished.
I did note in some of CASA's original statements on grounding .."they wanted more time to investigate" Que?
The normal process it to investigate to prove up the allegations, acquire the evidence FIRST..then make a move.
Ah ha..but in the name of "safety" we can..... ??... do anything.!
And even make it up if we have to cobble up a case.
1. CASA the unaccountable dont have to divulge anything. Just in receipt of some FOI pages that consist of big BLACK rectangles !
Information? Thats not information, that's BULLSH*T SUPREME.
But that's the games they love to play.
2. If and when it gets to court...All will out.
Then we might know of the seriousness of the defects that caused the sky to fall in on Barrier.
Just interested.
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I understand your anxiety for answers to the quite sensible questions you pose.Perhaps this riddle will show why information is thin on the ground. (Note this is purely hypothetical as I'm sure neither side would do it) Question:- In court cases what is the similarity between the Directors of small aviation companies lying,cheating and stealing and casa officers lying,cheating and stealing? Answer :- In both cases the directors of the small aviation company are stuffed and nothing whatsoever will happen to the casa officers.
RA
I understand your anxiety for answers to the quite sensible questions you pose.Perhaps this riddle will show why information is thin on the ground. (Note this is purely hypothetical as I'm sure neither side would do it) Question:- In court cases what is the similarity between the Directors of small aviation companies lying,cheating and stealing and casa officers lying,cheating and stealing? Answer :- In both cases the directors of the small aviation company are stuffed and nothing whatsoever will happen to the casa officers.
RA
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After my pledging to acquiesce to a CA(s)A "medico-Hindi-thugee" who told me if I treated him like God, we would get along fine, I am reminded of part of the code of conduct in practice in that era;
"We the unaccountable, led by the incompetent, are pledged to defend the indefensible, and can, and do, whatever we want, at whatever cost to anyone, because we have the purse of the taxpayer to play with".
Beware the thin wire noose coming from behind.
This mob transgress political changes because there is no political will to alter their behaviour.
And while Nero fiddles, Rome burns.
"We the unaccountable, led by the incompetent, are pledged to defend the indefensible, and can, and do, whatever we want, at whatever cost to anyone, because we have the purse of the taxpayer to play with".
Beware the thin wire noose coming from behind.
This mob transgress political changes because there is no political will to alter their behaviour.
And while Nero fiddles, Rome burns.
FNQ including the Straights so yes it is mate, really. I'm sure if you had the same knowledge as I on the area
It's Straits, not Straights.
Who ever said pilots were smart,
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Who ever said pilots were smart...
This deserves a thread of its own
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BP_ may very well have knowledge of the Torres Straights and maybe the Torres Gays too. That should not be a Barrier to his innuendo.
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BP, buddy,
I'm sorry, where was that stated to be the issue ?, and now you've stated it as a fact,, you must have evidence to prove this statement, if you don't, perhaps you should think carefully about removing those kind of statements.
Do a search on Dick Smith versus TACAN, and find out how anonymous pprune actually is.
There are rumours of:
1) alleged new maintenance issues ( by CASA ) only three weeks after an AOC renewal, and,
2) a disgruntled and previously sacked individual who has put pen to paper, amazing how quickly this persons name has become the punch line in a joke or two in Cairns, sorry, FNQ as you locals call it
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BP, perhaps you should read the earlier posts, I have previously worked for Barrier, Barrier is the best GA company I have worked for.
Trent, that's very funny
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Do a search on Dick Smith versus TACAN, and find out how anonymous pprune actually is.
There are rumours of:
1) alleged new maintenance issues ( by CASA ) only three weeks after an AOC renewal, and,
2) a disgruntled and previously sacked individual who has put pen to paper, amazing how quickly this persons name has become the punch line in a joke or two in Cairns, sorry, FNQ as you locals call it
.BP, perhaps you should read the earlier posts, I have previously worked for Barrier, Barrier is the best GA company I have worked for.
Trent, that's very funny
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LOL Horatio! Guilty as charged!
Josh, mate that guys name is well known across the country now! Hope he enjoyed aviation.
This whole thing is a very sad, and extremely scary event.
Cheers,
Greaser.
Josh, mate that guys name is well known across the country now! Hope he enjoyed aviation.
This whole thing is a very sad, and extremely scary event.
Cheers,
Greaser.
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There are lots of rather smug posters here alluding to the idea that a Pilot has committed professional suicide by going to a regulator with safety concerns.
Make no mistake when some of you guys get to an airline interview and you get asked a question by the HR person about your previous contribution to company / industry safety; a percentage of you people who are slagging this person off will claim this guys story as your own.
Oh, you'll tell a great yarn about how you tried and tried to change a company culture and then out of exasperation you had no choice but leave rather than commit xyx, and on your way out you tried to save lives by going to the regulator, who then grounded the company out of grave concern.
Then again some of you will just bitch about how some guy and the regulator stopped you from building hours - such is the sad state of GA.
Disclaimer: I'm not in any way claiming any knowledge of Barrier nor am I making accusations against barrier, its staff or "Fister".
Make no mistake when some of you guys get to an airline interview and you get asked a question by the HR person about your previous contribution to company / industry safety; a percentage of you people who are slagging this person off will claim this guys story as your own.
Oh, you'll tell a great yarn about how you tried and tried to change a company culture and then out of exasperation you had no choice but leave rather than commit xyx, and on your way out you tried to save lives by going to the regulator, who then grounded the company out of grave concern.
Then again some of you will just bitch about how some guy and the regulator stopped you from building hours - such is the sad state of GA.
Disclaimer: I'm not in any way claiming any knowledge of Barrier nor am I making accusations against barrier, its staff or "Fister"
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