CASA Suspends Barrier Aviation Operations
or an authentic complaint/report from the public or an employee.
From a friend of a friend of a friend. it is a rumor site after all. lolz
Happy and Safe holidays folks.
I'm not commenting on CASA's actions but I do have a good memory. 
He can hire his mate to get him off the hook?
He can hire his mate to get him off the hook?
Don't we all !!
Tootle pip!!
PS: Said old mate actually is quite busy in PNG right now??
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why shoud it be the candidates responsibility to refuse to conduct the flight?
Surely the candidate should be the one doing the daily as part of the test.
If the a/c is not airworthy (expired MR, part of the DI check I would think) then the flight is cancelled, or don't they teach that anymore?
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Mr Gibson reported on abc as " we have got no faith that the aircraft are being looked after in the way that they should be"
Faith is an interesting word to use, maybe it's to do with mabo, you know the whole vibe
Faith is an interesting word to use, maybe it's to do with mabo, you know the whole vibe
we have got no faith
I wonder how "faith" will stand up in court as a defence for canceling the AOC. Or will other reasons be brought forward.
VH-XXX:
As to your first question, I am aware of a certain member of the judiciary who was driven at very high speed up the Yarra in an inflatable, at night, with lights off to avoid detection by Harbour control, wearing a dinner suit, to attend a function at a city club. He missed pre dinner drinks, Very James Bond. However that is not the problem....
The problem is "the double bind" where an employer has a formal culture of following the regulations, but an informal one of encouraging employees to break the rules to save money and punishing any employee who won't "go along". That puts the entire onus, if anything goes wrong or the infraction is detected, on the employee.
...And the first thing that happens when something bad happens is just what you said:"Why did you break the regulations, you should have refused", and the poor bastard says "but, anybody who refuses gets fired and I need my job!"". At which point the high and mighty owner says "no we don't we tell you to follow the regulations to the letter".
The CASA boys know this. Every ethics course teaches it. I am sensitive to it because I had it tried on me by Exxon, As a brand new engineer, I was responsible for an oil terminal, Twenty One million litres of highly inflammable petroleum products and Thirty Six road Tankers with F&*& all staff and budget for maintenance. The company had reams of manuals I was meant to follow, but no money was provided to do so. It took me Eighteen months to realise that I was set up as a patsy if anything went wrong, so I left and joined an airline where I thought people had higher moral and ethical standards than Exxon.
...and in general, with only Two exceptions, the airline was an ethical place.
I can't believe what you are saying Sunfish, based on your normal moral high ground. So if you were driving a ferry up the Yarra at night would you turn off your Nav lights to save the filament in the bulbs and would you not say anything about it?
There is no such thing as being pressured to fly on an expired MR or to fly VMC into IFR - find another job or kill someone or your career. It's a very easy choice really. I can't believe anyone would defend someone in this situation. There are plenty of other operators out there who do do the right thing.
There is no such thing as being pressured to fly on an expired MR or to fly VMC into IFR - find another job or kill someone or your career. It's a very easy choice really. I can't believe anyone would defend someone in this situation. There are plenty of other operators out there who do do the right thing.
The problem is "the double bind" where an employer has a formal culture of following the regulations, but an informal one of encouraging employees to break the rules to save money and punishing any employee who won't "go along". That puts the entire onus, if anything goes wrong or the infraction is detected, on the employee.
...And the first thing that happens when something bad happens is just what you said:"Why did you break the regulations, you should have refused", and the poor bastard says "but, anybody who refuses gets fired and I need my job!"". At which point the high and mighty owner says "no we don't we tell you to follow the regulations to the letter".
The CASA boys know this. Every ethics course teaches it. I am sensitive to it because I had it tried on me by Exxon, As a brand new engineer, I was responsible for an oil terminal, Twenty One million litres of highly inflammable petroleum products and Thirty Six road Tankers with F&*& all staff and budget for maintenance. The company had reams of manuals I was meant to follow, but no money was provided to do so. It took me Eighteen months to realise that I was set up as a patsy if anything went wrong, so I left and joined an airline where I thought people had higher moral and ethical standards than Exxon.
...and in general, with only Two exceptions, the airline was an ethical place.
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I don't think anyone really likes CASA, however
if any of the usual suspects here have any 'evidence' then there are plenty of avenues to take your case too to have CASA investigated.
Otherwise you remind me of people who get done for speeding. then whinge about the police, the courts, the law, traffic lights etc etc.
Is anything other than your bias fuelling your 'suspicions'?
if any of the usual suspects here have any 'evidence' then there are plenty of avenues to take your case too to have CASA investigated.
Otherwise you remind me of people who get done for speeding. then whinge about the police, the courts, the law, traffic lights etc etc.
Is anything other than your bias fuelling your 'suspicions'?
There may be plenty of other operators out there who do the right thing. But they must be somewhere else in the world because they are not too evident in Oz, sad to say. Of course the major airlines and a few of the regionals do the right thing most of the time. They have the finances to do this, and it probably helps that they don't face too much in the way of under-cutting competition. The good, compliant and ethical GA operators in Oz could probably be counted in single digits. I can only think of one extant and one now sold out.
At the bottom of the aviation food chain it is feral and anyone who believes otherwise probably still believes in Santa Claus.
At the bottom of the aviation food chain it is feral and anyone who believes otherwise probably still believes in Santa Claus.
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if any of the usual suspects here have any 'evidence' then there are plenty of avenues to take your case too to have CASA investigated.
Leadie. I heard that. His move to PNG may raise the average IQ of both CASA Australia and CASA PNG.
ABC News: Queensland-based airline Barrier Aviation will remain grounded until February next year over safety concerns.
Qld airline to remain grounded for months - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Qld airline to remain grounded for months - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Thanks Allan, for link to ABC article.
I trust casa has acted in the interests of safety. Xmas eve is a gd time to bury bad news and not get much or any adverse press attention.
Yes, there is the senate inquiry for one. I'm sure the cases of Barrier and Hardy will be brought up there in February.
I agree damned if you do damned if you don't act. The senate has been asking why casa didn't act too.
My concern is there appears a real 'us and them' attitude and conflict between parties. I'm not sure this approach is working for safety in Australia?
I trust casa has acted in the interests of safety. Xmas eve is a gd time to bury bad news and not get much or any adverse press attention.
I don't think anyone really likes CASA, however
if any of the usual suspects here have any 'evidence' then there are plenty of avenues to take your case too to have CASA investigated.
Otherwise you remind me of people who get done for speeding. then whinge about the police, the courts, the law, traffic lights etc etc.
Is anything other than your bias fuelling your 'suspicions'?
if any of the usual suspects here have any 'evidence' then there are plenty of avenues to take your case too to have CASA investigated.
Otherwise you remind me of people who get done for speeding. then whinge about the police, the courts, the law, traffic lights etc etc.
Is anything other than your bias fuelling your 'suspicions'?
I agree damned if you do damned if you don't act. The senate has been asking why casa didn't act too.
My concern is there appears a real 'us and them' attitude and conflict between parties. I'm not sure this approach is working for safety in Australia?
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All the while the rumour running around FNQ has this being all based on the ramblings of a not so recently sacked employee, one who is having trouble finding another flying job.
Guys I think out of respect for the employees if barrier, it would be best to post no further comments in regards to the operations past or present. I wish all the staff and pilots the best for Christmas and New year and hope that either what has happened is overcome or the staff move on to a brighter future in 2013.
All the while the rumour running around FNQ has this being all based on the ramblings of a not so recently sacked employee, one who is having trouble finding another flying job.
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Yes, let's all bury our heads in the sand!!!!
Time and Place.
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Amen to that!
This affects a lot of people, many of whom have absolutely nothing to do with the base in question and are innocent in all of this.
Anywho Christmas is drawing near, hope everyone enjoys it as best they can
This affects a lot of people, many of whom have absolutely nothing to do with the base in question and are innocent in all of this.
Anywho Christmas is drawing near, hope everyone enjoys it as best they can