Skytrans hiring again.
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I barely post on PPRuNe, but when I see drivel like some of what is posted in this thread ragging on this company I am drawn to the keyboard....
I've got my take on skytrans - having worked there for almost 5 years.
They are a progressive, expansive, go-getter firm with a heap of excellent people working for them.
They appear to have a nack for picking the right people (mostly) and maintaining pretty high morale within the troops. You don't acheive this from consistently screwing people over and giving nothing in return to your employees.
Someone made a comment regarding the company being a non-familiy friendly environment. Well, from one pilot's perspective, I can't say I've come across previous management that is more considerate to their employees (in my flying career and from others' that I know).
They have had some growing pains (it continues) and rostering reshuffling, however employees can look at the flexibility demanded due to tight scheduling of limited airframes against the sheer volume of work that they are managing to pick up, see this as a positive toward employment stability and (for some more importantly) progression, they can feel satisfied with their (well appreciated) contribution.
Training standards are stabilising after a termultuous period up until about 18 months ago. The checking and training standard is good and for some time they have started to really spend extra money on it whilst improving it all the time.
Pay and conditions are reasonable with good remuneration for roster changes, DTA, working on RDOs, etc.
The roster gets changed a fair bit, but individual peoples' lines are not disturbed from the plan too frequently.
I would very much like to recommend this company to anyone with an appreciation of a crowd of people trying to make the place a real contender in regional RPT and FIFO ops, who have a good work ethic, are willing to learn and adapt.
Maybe Skytrans is 'protected' on this forum due to them actually being pretty popular amongst their employees (shock horror).
I've got my take on skytrans - having worked there for almost 5 years.
They are a progressive, expansive, go-getter firm with a heap of excellent people working for them.
They appear to have a nack for picking the right people (mostly) and maintaining pretty high morale within the troops. You don't acheive this from consistently screwing people over and giving nothing in return to your employees.
Someone made a comment regarding the company being a non-familiy friendly environment. Well, from one pilot's perspective, I can't say I've come across previous management that is more considerate to their employees (in my flying career and from others' that I know).
They have had some growing pains (it continues) and rostering reshuffling, however employees can look at the flexibility demanded due to tight scheduling of limited airframes against the sheer volume of work that they are managing to pick up, see this as a positive toward employment stability and (for some more importantly) progression, they can feel satisfied with their (well appreciated) contribution.
Training standards are stabilising after a termultuous period up until about 18 months ago. The checking and training standard is good and for some time they have started to really spend extra money on it whilst improving it all the time.
Pay and conditions are reasonable with good remuneration for roster changes, DTA, working on RDOs, etc.
The roster gets changed a fair bit, but individual peoples' lines are not disturbed from the plan too frequently.
I would very much like to recommend this company to anyone with an appreciation of a crowd of people trying to make the place a real contender in regional RPT and FIFO ops, who have a good work ethic, are willing to learn and adapt.
Maybe Skytrans is 'protected' on this forum due to them actually being pretty popular amongst their employees (shock horror).
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Mr Tail Wheel, a clarification
The speed dial remark was not meant as a criticism of the moderators more to point out that of the two, operators might be more prone to complain about the posts than CASA. (maybe the latter don't bother visiting the site?)
At the risk of thread drift, I can't say that I entirely agree with your last, TW.
When I copped a shellacking (defamatory, personal and untrue comments regarding my efforts with that operator) on this site from a skytrans member / supporter a few months back, including the use of my name, the Mods just left it up there for all to see - no consideration was shown to me. I don't really care anymore, I stand by my principles and genuinely try my level best in what I do, but I don't agree that libellous stuff is always removed and I have seen it regarding others, too. Maybe that's a curse of having to monitor a site like this - I don't envy you the job!
BTW, do you guys get paid to sort through the contributions to this site??
When I copped a shellacking (defamatory, personal and untrue comments regarding my efforts with that operator) on this site from a skytrans member / supporter a few months back, including the use of my name, the Mods just left it up there for all to see - no consideration was shown to me. I don't really care anymore, I stand by my principles and genuinely try my level best in what I do, but I don't agree that libellous stuff is always removed and I have seen it regarding others, too. Maybe that's a curse of having to monitor a site like this - I don't envy you the job!
BTW, do you guys get paid to sort through the contributions to this site??
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BTW, do you guys get paid to sort through the contributions to this site??
There are three Dunnunda Mods. We probably each donate around 7 hours per week and I have done so for at least the past 12 years, maybe longer, voluntary - no pay.
It is not possible to read every post, so we rely on user reports via the "Report This Post" icon at the lower left of each post.
"Twenty three years to re write the Regulations demonstrates incompetence at CASA" is a statement of fact.
The unsubstantiated claims made in Donkey_Punch's post were malicious and defamatory both against individuals and the company. Don't care who it is, posts of that nature are going to disappear.
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Nepotism
The unsubstantiated claims made in Donkey_Punch's post were malicious and defamatory both against individuals and the company. Don't care who it is, posts of that nature are going to disappear.
If Donkey_Punch wants to be an ass and post defamation and libel at least he should have the courtesy to add his real name and address for service. 
And go ask Skytrans why the HOFO was quietly removed in March and another one appointed, due to safety issues and non-compliances. And this is just two examples of absolute fact taken from my previous thread. Why do some people want it covered up?
"Twenty three years to re write the Regulations demonstrates incompetence at CASA" is a statement of fact.
Nepotism is king......
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Flying Bear,
He has been removed. But not because the company see's any wrong in him. But because CASA has pushed Skytrans to the point that if they didn't sideline him they would be mercilessly ripped apart. He was a 100% yes man and they don't come more risque than this rogue. But it does show how brainless the top layer of the company is. They are digging themselves a hole the size of olympic dam and still can't see it.
And the COO, an even bigger micro manager, is the laughing stock of the North. He rings CASA almost daily, which annoys the living hell out of them, plus he rings his 'former' airline in WA every friday afternoon, like clockwork, and tells them all about Skytrans internal secrets, business strategies, plans, happenning's, issues, punishments, breaches and the list goes on and on and on. This in turn gets spilled all over the West and we all have a great laugh. (But shhh, don't tell anyone ok, this is so much fun).
That is the 'Wild' way of doing business. A gutless approach to loyalty unless you are part of the golden club. All for one and one for all. Spinless toads. They may have money but they have no balls. I have even seen them shaking like scared lambs when confronted over issues.
Beaver,
Well the CP, who has now been sidelined, authorized an aircraft to purposely plan and fly a sector into an aerodrome not even approved and listed on their AOC. That was just a mere one of about 13 issues compiled against him. But don't tell the MD, the CEO kept most of those issues hidden from view.
Indeed, there are a number of us who know the real story behind this FNQ outfit. But that is ok Beaver, if you are the 'yes man' you appear to be, at all costs including safety and standards, then your low paying career is assured. Can't wait for the first time that Commercial send you and your 1984 Dash 8 dinosaur on some quick money spinning mission into Dangerville or overlook you for promotion due to raising an issue in the appropriate and fair faqshion it should be raised in
But the then CP was only interested in micro management and yes men.
And the COO, an even bigger micro manager, is the laughing stock of the North. He rings CASA almost daily, which annoys the living hell out of them, plus he rings his 'former' airline in WA every friday afternoon, like clockwork, and tells them all about Skytrans internal secrets, business strategies, plans, happenning's, issues, punishments, breaches and the list goes on and on and on. This in turn gets spilled all over the West and we all have a great laugh. (But shhh, don't tell anyone ok, this is so much fun).
Got sacked whilst on leave, real courtesy and brave that was...
Beaver,
The words 'protecting ones AOC from maniacs with CP Approval who approve passenger carrying RPT on a 36 seat turboprop with NO FLIGHT ATTENDANT....' come to mind... I'd sack you too... But im sure this was one of many 'wild' issues with you...
Indeed, there are a number of us who know the real story behind this FNQ outfit. But that is ok Beaver, if you are the 'yes man' you appear to be, at all costs including safety and standards, then your low paying career is assured. Can't wait for the first time that Commercial send you and your 1984 Dash 8 dinosaur on some quick money spinning mission into Dangerville or overlook you for promotion due to raising an issue in the appropriate and fair faqshion it should be raised in
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Why is it when an operator gets dumped on, the offending thread gets pulled yet when CASA is the target it is open slather?
Not that both don't deserve some flack. Or is it that the operator's lawyers have PPRuNe on speed dial?
Not that both don't deserve some flack. Or is it that the operator's lawyers have PPRuNe on speed dial?
Probably explains why many are bailing from there and those stuck there spend their time desperately applying for jobs elsewhere.
D_P, obviously you have had a similar experience to me. I originally thought that working there would be a good thing for my career, but it turned out to be a contrary experience. You sound really bitter, but believe me it is better to know how they really are rather than get stung by being ignorant. Having said that, I think most of their issues become a problem for senior air crew - line pilots generally are left alone (observation during my time, not sure of the state of play now...)
Glad to be away from them, even though their handling of the matter was gutless.
But then again, so was how they handled the Captain who made a handling error, was remediated and re-checked to line only to be fired a few weeks later as "an example". But the Manager Flight Ops responsible for that has supposedly been sidelined...
Glad to be away from them, even though their handling of the matter was gutless.
But then again, so was how they handled the Captain who made a handling error, was remediated and re-checked to line only to be fired a few weeks later as "an example". But the Manager Flight Ops responsible for that has supposedly been sidelined...
Not surprised, the flight attendant issue that b_r refers to was not authorised by me, I didn't even hear about it until too late to have an influence.
Nevertheless, all said and done, I just hope none of their crew get hurt by this mob, but I see the potential - if CASA are getting stuck into them, well, not before time. I did work with some good people during my time.
Nevertheless, all said and done, I just hope none of their crew get hurt by this mob, but I see the potential - if CASA are getting stuck into them, well, not before time. I did work with some good people during my time.
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Waddya reckon?
If even half the stuff you read here was true, and people have made some fairly specific and alarming allegations, then repeated them when rebuked by the mods, you could, I think, safely assume that there might be some substance to the claims.
That might be why they attract so much flack. My take, from what I have seen on this and other threads about this operator is that all may not be well in the camp.
Just a suspicion, based on a rumour....
That might be why they attract so much flack. My take, from what I have seen on this and other threads about this operator is that all may not be well in the camp.
Just a suspicion, based on a rumour....
Hold Short. What are you doing? People who think they are owed something in aviation stand out and never get what they want. Just move on in life. Bitterness will only continue to hold you back in all parts of life. It's not healthy. Remember, flying planes is just a job. It's your means of making money to have a life.
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You talking to me?
Hold short? Losers that resort to using aviation language in conversation to make themselves sound like some sort of demigod, yes the ones that say "at this time" and "aaargh" before every transmission are the ones that need to move on. You ask a rhetorical question then you can spurt your premature retort when you have the bleeding obvious pointed out to you, should go and play pilot somewhere else.
You obviously know farkall of the operator and that is why you asked the question and because you know nothing you have no right to stand to their defense and even less right to denigrate those that have serious concerns about them.
And oh, by the way, pull your head in!
You obviously know farkall of the operator and that is why you asked the question and because you know nothing you have no right to stand to their defense and even less right to denigrate those that have serious concerns about them.
And oh, by the way, pull your head in!
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True enough, triathlon. I have certainly fallen foul of what you describe in the past... being only human I suppose.
However, criticism of an operator and their methods is not always bitterness, and this mob really have a case to answer. Getting slammed on a website is hardly detrimental to them, I know that for sure, but if this forum is about passage of information, well not all of it is going to be good news. Some people hook into operators with no knowledge to substantiate it - but in this case, having personally experienced the skytrans method, I can see consistency in what some of the other contributors have raised.
skytrans may reap what it sows, but as stated many times before, hopefully crew who are genuinely trying to do a good job don't get hurt because of it...
However, criticism of an operator and their methods is not always bitterness, and this mob really have a case to answer. Getting slammed on a website is hardly detrimental to them, I know that for sure, but if this forum is about passage of information, well not all of it is going to be good news. Some people hook into operators with no knowledge to substantiate it - but in this case, having personally experienced the skytrans method, I can see consistency in what some of the other contributors have raised.
skytrans may reap what it sows, but as stated many times before, hopefully crew who are genuinely trying to do a good job don't get hurt because of it...
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FB,DP,FS,CJ
What a bunch of sad sacks of Bile. No operator is perfect, no Human is perfect, no system is perfect. Blame is a two way street, accept it and move on. We've all had enormous disapointments and failures but most of us don't let it burn us up. Build a bridge and get over it.
I know a lot of people at Skytrans and on the hold agree with TD. A lot of good people trying to do the right thing. It is'nt perfect but not through lack of effort and good will on all sides. I for one am sure they will all succeed.
What a bunch of sad sacks of Bile. No operator is perfect, no Human is perfect, no system is perfect. Blame is a two way street, accept it and move on. We've all had enormous disapointments and failures but most of us don't let it burn us up. Build a bridge and get over it.
I know a lot of people at Skytrans and on the hold agree with TD. A lot of good people trying to do the right thing. It is'nt perfect but not through lack of effort and good will on all sides. I for one am sure they will all succeed.
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Yeah right
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What an apt name. It is your type that will gladly accept less than serviceable or less than legal or less than suitable in the hope of justifying your less than adequate life. The posters on this thread, myself included are not talking about perfection, we know ourselves well enough and have enough experience in this and other industries not to expect that. What we are talking about is meeting an acceptable standard.
Acceptable to the public, the regulator and others that strive for perfection but will accept nothing less than legal.
I hope you never take your attitude to a training and checking role. I wouldn't want anybody I know relying on you for a safe flight knowing your attitude is that near enough is good enough
What an apt name. It is your type that will gladly accept less than serviceable or less than legal or less than suitable in the hope of justifying your less than adequate life. The posters on this thread, myself included are not talking about perfection, we know ourselves well enough and have enough experience in this and other industries not to expect that. What we are talking about is meeting an acceptable standard.
Acceptable to the public, the regulator and others that strive for perfection but will accept nothing less than legal.
I hope you never take your attitude to a training and checking role. I wouldn't want anybody I know relying on you for a safe flight knowing your attitude is that near enough is good enough