View Poll Results: Are you likely to sign the petition?
Yes. I agree with the Petition.
327
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I agree with the Petition but am concerned at reprisals.
61
14.12%
No.
10
2.31%
I disagree with the Petition.
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7.87%
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Spikey -
This bitch fest is a last resort for many who get crushed by Goliath. Somewhere more offical you say - Can't get more official than local members, parliamentary avenues and internal complaint mechanisms. NOBODY has the balls to go up against the Minister of the day so us little people get trampled into dust.
I didnt know that REPCON accept reports of bullying, incompetence on behalf of the regulator or malfeasance? S#it, what planet have I been living on!
Maybe so, but hey, it's my time to waste and I shall waste however I see fit.
Ha ha, you are a funny geezer Spikey. Are you taking the piss out of me
. If you are naieve then I forgive you for misunderstanding my angst. If you are serious then you obviously have not ever been placed in that most painful of all situatiaons, where you have the wrath of CASA come down on you for nothing short of 'personal reasons'.
Local member - been there tried that. They have no chance up against the Minister, a bureaucracy and the Government of the day. gimme a break. Also, your definition of 'unsupported ****' is interesting. How can you assume that evidence has not already been presented? Unequivocal evidence has been produced at murder trials yet the murderer has still walked free. It means jack **** when the system is corrupted.
Jaba - Good post actually. I am not as forgiving or calm headed as you my wise friend. But yes, the old days if you want to use that term were a lot more effective. Inspectors did give you a fair go, often they were hard, but fair. Unlike today's bullies who are taught bully boy tactics by spinelss gutless faceless executives.
I see you are pretty bitter and you may have reason to be and sure CASA aren't perfect but have your raised your issues in somewhere more official than this collective bitch-fest?
I'm thinking REPCON or the like or even direct to ICC. You sound like you have plenty of ammunition, why not shoot it in the right direction.
Otherwise you and all the others on this thread are wasting your time and energy.
I may be a bit naive but isn't that why those channels are in place.
. If you are naieve then I forgive you for misunderstanding my angst. If you are serious then you obviously have not ever been placed in that most painful of all situatiaons, where you have the wrath of CASA come down on you for nothing short of 'personal reasons'.
Even go to your local member of parliament if required. Otherwise you can sling as much unsupported **** as you like and sign as many petitions as you like but it will all count for naught.
Jaba - Good post actually. I am not as forgiving or calm headed as you my wise friend. But yes, the old days if you want to use that term were a lot more effective. Inspectors did give you a fair go, often they were hard, but fair. Unlike today's bullies who are taught bully boy tactics by spinelss gutless faceless executives.
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Jabawocky, Great Post 
We don't, we scurry like cockroaches under a bread bin! CASA has no friends in this industry. Completely unhelpful and I'm completely suspicious of there alternative agenda. However, money talks and you have to hand over a lot of it to get anywhere with this motley crew nowadays. The industry is up the ****.
We need to get to the point where a CASA rep is not feared, if they wander into a hangar or onto the apron, people feel happy to see them and great them in the hope they may actually share something good. It may be we share something that educates them, or alerts them to something that needs attention. Now wouldn't that be different?
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There are two types of people in the aviation industry today;
1) Those criminals who have been caught.
2) Those criminals who are yet to be caught. (take note spike).
Corporate psychopaths and habitual, perfidious, thieving, bureaucrats, are exempted from the above of course.
1) Those criminals who have been caught.
2) Those criminals who are yet to be caught. (take note spike).
Corporate psychopaths and habitual, perfidious, thieving, bureaucrats, are exempted from the above of course.
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Good 1 GD
First class post, one more edit and it'll be a milestone. Good work. 
Wonder where CASAWEARY is ?, I'd bet Shim is smiling.
Be a bit careful though, this must withstand opposition scrutiny, and they will 'scute' exceeding hard.
I believe the facts, the money and the industry will tell the truth of it; court and AAT evidence will support. For example, I have just finished reading J. (Jack) Langmead's summary of the Avtex case last year. Seriously, even to a layman, it is truly a horror story of deceit, corruption and pony pooh. A good (very good) friend (35 years) is now on the dole because of this pitiful sham. (Will not play here, at all). Cheer up mate, everything is not totally lost. Who knows, the "Skull" may yet see the sense in the Senators logic.
JQ is a good, easily 'explained' case study. But, once it becomes complex, eyes glaze over and "the" safety 'Watchdog' knows this. They are`expert at building haystacks under which, needles may be hidden.
Well, lets see what transpires from this.
It's time; now, not later, but now.
Selah.
Wonder where CASAWEARY is ?, I'd bet Shim is smiling.
Be a bit careful though, this must withstand opposition scrutiny, and they will 'scute' exceeding hard.
I believe the facts, the money and the industry will tell the truth of it; court and AAT evidence will support. For example, I have just finished reading J. (Jack) Langmead's summary of the Avtex case last year. Seriously, even to a layman, it is truly a horror story of deceit, corruption and pony pooh. A good (very good) friend (35 years) is now on the dole because of this pitiful sham. (Will not play here, at all). Cheer up mate, everything is not totally lost. Who knows, the "Skull" may yet see the sense in the Senators logic.
JQ is a good, easily 'explained' case study. But, once it becomes complex, eyes glaze over and "the" safety 'Watchdog' knows this. They are`expert at building haystacks under which, needles may be hidden.
Well, lets see what transpires from this.
It's time; now, not later, but now.
Selah.
thread.
Flying? spike.
Go to the thread re Aviation Petition in Reporting Points and read what people have to say there.
Be wised up... not just a wisea$s... and learn something.
Listed there are the dreadful realities that we are faced with.
We've put up with all this sh*t for long enough.... its time for a bit of democracy NOT rampant bureaucracy fcuking peoples lives.
An aviation regulatory environment, by aviators, for aviators...for the continued safe well-being of the aviation industry.
Thats not too difficult is it.? We ned it NOW and we want it NOW.
No ifs, buts or poxy "safety" excuses.
Go to the thread re Aviation Petition in Reporting Points and read what people have to say there.
Be wised up... not just a wisea$s... and learn something.
Listed there are the dreadful realities that we are faced with.
We've put up with all this sh*t for long enough.... its time for a bit of democracy NOT rampant bureaucracy fcuking peoples lives.
An aviation regulatory environment, by aviators, for aviators...for the continued safe well-being of the aviation industry.
Thats not too difficult is it.? We ned it NOW and we want it NOW.
No ifs, buts or poxy "safety" excuses.
Petitioning is what you do when you beg a monarch to do something for you.
None of those clowns in Canberra hold any claim to power over us - they are our servants and as such should be told what to do.
None of those clowns in Canberra hold any claim to power over us - they are our servants and as such should be told what to do.
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if the petition is successful .... and after the mob steps down ... the ones replacing them might be the same if the process is not transparent !!!! is the process to elect the CASA management transparent ?? 
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CASA, Problems and Misfeasance
Hi Spike,
Have been there: Had questions asked of local pollie, senators, letters to McCormick, letters to FOI's, letters to ICC, refererred to Ombudsman [directed back to ICC], phone calls.
Just obstufication by all involved. Even to McCormick refusing a personal meeting.
Next step is to expose the lot.
Problem is Spike - Lots of people have the same problem.
I only got involved in the industry 19 years ago and my first brush with CASA was my temerity in questioning the questions in a CPL exam, in which, when after numerous phone calls, found the question writer.
The question writer, when pushed, about whether (c) or (d) was correct. I had said (c) and the question writer said (d).
When pushed as to why, said "That's simple, I wrote the question and (d) is the correct answer.
Perhaps this says it all
Why should any matter be discussed, when CASA always has and always has had the power to justify the answer. The situation of "Strict Liability" makes the situation worse.
Hopefully some of the really bad cases, where peoples lives have been destroyed can be supported by us, so at least the culture can change and the system become transparent.
The proper inquiry into CASA is long overdue.
Have a look at NSW, with the ICAC inquiry and the sacking of a Departmental head already - Warrick Watkins. Proven corruption and misfeasance.
The point is, these people are not above the law.
Have been there: Had questions asked of local pollie, senators, letters to McCormick, letters to FOI's, letters to ICC, refererred to Ombudsman [directed back to ICC], phone calls.
Just obstufication by all involved. Even to McCormick refusing a personal meeting.
Next step is to expose the lot.
Problem is Spike - Lots of people have the same problem.
I only got involved in the industry 19 years ago and my first brush with CASA was my temerity in questioning the questions in a CPL exam, in which, when after numerous phone calls, found the question writer.
The question writer, when pushed, about whether (c) or (d) was correct. I had said (c) and the question writer said (d).
When pushed as to why, said "That's simple, I wrote the question and (d) is the correct answer.
Perhaps this says it all
Why should any matter be discussed, when CASA always has and always has had the power to justify the answer. The situation of "Strict Liability" makes the situation worse.
Hopefully some of the really bad cases, where peoples lives have been destroyed can be supported by us, so at least the culture can change and the system become transparent.
The proper inquiry into CASA is long overdue.
Have a look at NSW, with the ICAC inquiry and the sacking of a Departmental head already - Warrick Watkins. Proven corruption and misfeasance.
The point is, these people are not above the law.
..the devil you know.
Since nothing has changed with the misfeasance and immoral behaviour style over the last couple of decades...I'll go for the DCA we once knew.!
The devil I know ... and the one JQ knows... and the one many others know, is here and now with all its malicious and evil intent.
AndyRR... they may not 'lay' any claim to power over us.. but they sure as hell demonstrate that they have a "power", and use the regs to prove it.... and give you a good flogging in the process.!
The current system has to go.
The devil I know ... and the one JQ knows... and the one many others know, is here and now with all its malicious and evil intent.
AndyRR... they may not 'lay' any claim to power over us.. but they sure as hell demonstrate that they have a "power", and use the regs to prove it.... and give you a good flogging in the process.!
The current system has to go.
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Scrap it - Metaphorically speaking the entire regulatory structure needs a tin of Avgas and a match set too it and we need to start again, the rot is too well entrenched, the cancer cannot be cured.
are still in the organisation. Also remove the constraints from the top and there are bound to be professionals within (?) - but I agree the only cure is to start all over. The Authority has been systemically corrupt for several decades but because of the eager use of "reprisal" they have succeeded in keeping the G.A. Industry just short of strangulation!Some have suggested a major accident would get an enquiry, at least QF have been having a good try at it, but why does it need that when the problems have been identified time and time again. For "safety" do we read "job security" for bureaucrats and parliamentarians? It certainly has little to do with aviation.
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For "safety" do we read "job security" for bureaucrats and parliamentarians? It certainly has little to do with aviation.
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Yes, Minister quote
Humphrey: Notwithstanding the fact that your proposal could conceivably encompass certain concomitant benefits of a marginal and peripheral relevance, there is a countervailing consideration of infinitely superior magnitude involving your personal complicity and corroborative malfeasance, with a consequence that the taint and stigma of your former associations and diversions could irredeemably and irretrievably invalidate your position and culminate in public revelations and recriminations of a profoundly embarrassing and ultimately indefensible character.
Hacker: Perhaps I can have a précis of that?
Hacker: Perhaps I can have a précis of that?
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I have closed the 'informal' email poll, there is now enough informal information to provide a useful, interesting statistic. The Pprune poll is now the only way to record an informal vote.
I always wondered why Unions held secret ballots, clever folks those.
Gives you a whole new perspective on just how brave the boys who wrote Magna Carta and American Declaration of Independence were. Not that I would compare this mini bun fight to those events, not for a minute, but it's food for thought.
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I'll try again
There is no disrespect intended and for the record I support the cause you are pursuing. I am not attempting to be a wise arse.My suggestions come from 37 years in the industry and yes I have been unfairly dealt with by CASA and its predecessors so kindly don't make your argument personal and abusive. I am merely suggesting that every other avenue be pursued before placing your signature on the petition.
Ponder this: finally somebody does look at the mass of signatures on the petition and decide to investigate the allegations of unfair treatment etc. If the petition is the first and only place that person sees your name and signature you will be perceived as just another person getting on the band wagon with no gripe to investigate. It will detract from the arguments of our colleagues who have a legitimate and documented reason for complaint.
Be passionate, rally to the flag but back it up with substance.
Ponder this: finally somebody does look at the mass of signatures on the petition and decide to investigate the allegations of unfair treatment etc. If the petition is the first and only place that person sees your name and signature you will be perceived as just another person getting on the band wagon with no gripe to investigate. It will detract from the arguments of our colleagues who have a legitimate and documented reason for complaint.
Be passionate, rally to the flag but back it up with substance.