Is Australia its own Worst Enemy?
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The High Court decision on the refugee situation is not something that Gillard and Bowen can sweep under the mat as just "one of those things". This is an international embarrassment and shows this bunch of incompetents just how incompetent they really are.
What with the experts saying that the Howard policies on Nauru and Workchoices were streets ahead of anything this ratbag bunch have ever come up with where does the Lady Liar turn now? She's even managed to put the unions off-side.
In some respects it's a pity that the 'dear departed' are no longer with us...it would have been interesting to see how they would defend the indefensible and a government that sees its end and political oblivion looming closer and closer.
Perhaps we ought to start running a book on when they will do a U turn or scrap NBN, the Carbon Tax and the Minining Resource Tax.
What with the experts saying that the Howard policies on Nauru and Workchoices were streets ahead of anything this ratbag bunch have ever come up with where does the Lady Liar turn now? She's even managed to put the unions off-side.
In some respects it's a pity that the 'dear departed' are no longer with us...it would have been interesting to see how they would defend the indefensible and a government that sees its end and political oblivion looming closer and closer.
Perhaps we ought to start running a book on when they will do a U turn or scrap NBN, the Carbon Tax and the Minining Resource Tax.
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A comment from the Immigration Minister that he was not ruling anything out was rather interesting in that most of the Journos have assumed that to mean that processing on Nauru and Temporary Protection Visas (ie John Howards 'Pacific Solution') may be re-introduced.
Now wouldn't that be a bitter pill for this blitheringly incompetent shower of manure Government to swallow! Most observers would assume then that Labor were admitting that JH had actually got it right!
Better get the tumbrils out of storage first.
But who was it that said words to the effect; 'Come the revolution, first shoot all the lawyers.'
Now wouldn't that be a bitter pill for this blitheringly incompetent shower of manure Government to swallow! Most observers would assume then that Labor were admitting that JH had actually got it right!
What does it take to get rid of this shower of schiessen? Armed revolution??
But who was it that said words to the effect; 'Come the revolution, first shoot all the lawyers.'
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Juliar was on the radio ("rayyydieo") today saying that the High Court decision puts the Australian (illegal/irregular, call it what you will) immigration situation into a completely new light, which translates into "I'll be able to spin (yet another) policy shift tomorrow that I couldn't possibly have attempted to get away with yesterday".
While Nauru might now be back on the (very edge of the proverbial) table, I think that Labor still recognises it, no matter how much sense it may make, as absolute political suicide. For that reason, I think they'll opt for onshore processing ahead of Nauru. Even though that will be (yet another) unmitigated disaster, as once the economic immigrants are onshore, David Manne and his team will be able, at taxpayers' (great) expense, to use every trick in the book to extend their stay here.
Ministerial responsibility seems to be a tradition no longer in place in Australian politics. If it was, Chris Bowen would have fallen on his sword yesterday, within minutes of the High Court decision being made public. But then again, he should have done that on about six occasions since he became Minister for Cassonova*.
(*Completely f***ing up everything he touches.)
While Nauru might now be back on the (very edge of the proverbial) table, I think that Labor still recognises it, no matter how much sense it may make, as absolute political suicide. For that reason, I think they'll opt for onshore processing ahead of Nauru. Even though that will be (yet another) unmitigated disaster, as once the economic immigrants are onshore, David Manne and his team will be able, at taxpayers' (great) expense, to use every trick in the book to extend their stay here.
Ministerial responsibility seems to be a tradition no longer in place in Australian politics. If it was, Chris Bowen would have fallen on his sword yesterday, within minutes of the High Court decision being made public. But then again, he should have done that on about six occasions since he became Minister for Cassonova*.
(*Completely f***ing up everything he touches.)
Can anyone explain to me, in simple terms, why - having fled their homeland in fear of life from religious or political nutters (fair enough) - these 'refugees' do not stop in the first safe place they come to, but continue on through several countries that are signatories to the UNHCR accord to Australia?
Is it the guarantee of free health care, legal aid, resettlement, education, unemployment benefits, pensions / disability payments etc?
Doesn't that make them 'economic' rather than genuine refugees?
A genuine question, not a redneck sh!t stir.
Is it the guarantee of free health care, legal aid, resettlement, education, unemployment benefits, pensions / disability payments etc?
Doesn't that make them 'economic' rather than genuine refugees?
A genuine question, not a redneck sh!t stir.
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Doesn't that make them 'economic' rather than genuine refugees?
However, anyone taking bets as to how long this government will last? The Prime Minister challenging the High Court Judge. How close to the abandonment of democracy and the rule of law does this shower want to take us?
It's fortunate that, at least, we are able to discuss this on DG&P. This is, I suspect, one of those 'Whitlam' moments that we will be talking about for decades to come. Shame that the Cane Toad Wheel is no longer in existence.
How close to the abandonment of democracy and the rule of law does this shower want to take us?
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Separating the genuines from the economics takes time, trained staff, overseas criminal checks, intelligence and liaison with relevant ethnic groups ('Al Fangi isn't an Afghani because his accent's wrong and he doesn't know what colour the boat shed in Kabul is 
'). All very boring stuff that costs money, something the current government has been loathe to commit to border protection, particularly when it attracts little publicity.
Despite media stunts and telly shows, the fact remains that the border agencies have been chronically understaffed and under-resourced for years. The High Court has decided that shoving the problem out the door hasn't worked and the government's just got to deal with it.
They can hardly argue that the current High Court is anti Labor.
She can whine all she likes, the High Court is not answerable to her or anyone else. They're the High Court, the last avenue of appeal. Any Australian (including the PM) can take a matter to the High Court but they have to wear the decision.
In a 6-1 decision it seems petty to attack one of the six. The whole thing is very uncool.
'). All very boring stuff that costs money, something the current government has been loathe to commit to border protection, particularly when it attracts little publicity. Despite media stunts and telly shows, the fact remains that the border agencies have been chronically understaffed and under-resourced for years. The High Court has decided that shoving the problem out the door hasn't worked and the government's just got to deal with it.
They can hardly argue that the current High Court is anti Labor
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The Prime Minister challenging the High Court Judge.
In a 6-1 decision it seems petty to attack one of the six. The whole thing is very uncool.
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Surely to God if there's a law in the statute books that prevents a soverign government from having any say as to who enters or does not enter that country then that law must be rescinded without delay.
If it is not, for all intents and purposes, we may as well dispense with all immigration facilities and border protection and 'welcome' everyone who wishes to come live here.
The prime Minister keeps rattling on about destroying the people smugglers' business model. For the life of me, I can't see why she doesn't simply say "Apply for asylum at the first Australian Consulate or Embassy you pass after leaving the country in which you were persecuted and your application will be dealt with; present yourself UNINVITED at our border having bypassed even one of our embassies, be it in a boat or a plane, no matter how worthy or deserving your case may be, it will NOT be dealt with and you will NOT receive permanent residency under any circumstances."
End of story.
If it is not, for all intents and purposes, we may as well dispense with all immigration facilities and border protection and 'welcome' everyone who wishes to come live here.
The prime Minister keeps rattling on about destroying the people smugglers' business model. For the life of me, I can't see why she doesn't simply say "Apply for asylum at the first Australian Consulate or Embassy you pass after leaving the country in which you were persecuted and your application will be dealt with; present yourself UNINVITED at our border having bypassed even one of our embassies, be it in a boat or a plane, no matter how worthy or deserving your case may be, it will NOT be dealt with and you will NOT receive permanent residency under any circumstances."
End of story.
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Trade Minister Craig Emerson described Ms Gillard as “a strong leader”, saying that was what Australians wanted.
“They expect leaders to make tough decisions even if those decisions aren’t always popular in the short term,” he told ABC Radio.
“If you just got up, rolled out of bed every morning, checked the latest opinion polls then that is itself a betrayal of the Australian people.”
“They expect leaders to make tough decisions even if those decisions aren’t always popular in the short term,” he told ABC Radio.
“If you just got up, rolled out of bed every morning, checked the latest opinion polls then that is itself a betrayal of the Australian people.”
Chief government whip Joel Fitzgibbon dismissed suggestions Ms Gillard lacked authority.
“Julia Gillard enjoys the support of caucus and will lead the party to the next election,” he said.
“Julia Gillard enjoys the support of caucus and will lead the party to the next election,” he said.
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Do Simona do a range of corporate suits with body armor inserts? Best she order one .
I'm blown away that there appears to have been no backup plan. They seem to have just assumed the High Court would fall in with them to the extent that no-one came up with a Plan B. The arrogance and/or ineptitude is absolutely staggering.
Do Simona do a range of corporate suits with body armor inserts? Best she order one . I'm blown away that there appears to have been no backup plan. They seem to have just assumed the High Court would fall in with them to the extent that no-one came up with a Plan B. The arrogance and/or ineptitude is absolutely staggering.
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The South Aussie 'Advertiser' newspaper today has quoted an un-named Labor Politician as saying that they should never have changed/abandoned Howard's Pacific Solution as 'nothing has worked since.'
Anyone else hear what I hear? The sounds of knives being sharpened.
And Craig Emerson only got it half right.
Trade Minister Craig Emerson described Ms Gillard as “a strong leader”, saying that was what Australians wanted.
And Bill Shorten has declared his support for Ms Gillard.
And Craig Emerson only got it half right.
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I wonder if the Liberal Party's number crunchers have looked into how many votes they'd actually lose* if Tony Abbott announced tomorrow that if elected, he would withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention?
(*i.e., how many of the latte-sipping voters, [I accept there'd obviously be quite a few], who would doubtlessly be outraged at such a move, would have voted for the Libs in the first place [if he did not take that radical course of action]? My guess would be close to zero.)
On the other hand, I suspect it would win him a large number of votes from the traditionally Labor-voting outer suburban electorates where many of the economic refugees are settled in (for others) hard to find government housing.
Now that the 'welcome all' mat has been well and truly put outside our front door, any bets on how long it will be before we see a larger ship (or multiple smaller boats travelling in company) with a far larger load of economic immigrants aboard than the 50 to 100 that's become the standard load? (It must have crossed the minds of both the people smugglers and their clients that 500 to 1000 arriving in one hit at Christmas Island would force the Australian government to move them elsewhere immediately, and now, 'elsewhere' is only one place - the Promised Land.)
To give an aviation analogy, does this High Court decision usher in the Jumbo era of irregular immigration?
(*i.e., how many of the latte-sipping voters, [I accept there'd obviously be quite a few], who would doubtlessly be outraged at such a move, would have voted for the Libs in the first place [if he did not take that radical course of action]? My guess would be close to zero.)
On the other hand, I suspect it would win him a large number of votes from the traditionally Labor-voting outer suburban electorates where many of the economic refugees are settled in (for others) hard to find government housing.
Now that the 'welcome all' mat has been well and truly put outside our front door, any bets on how long it will be before we see a larger ship (or multiple smaller boats travelling in company) with a far larger load of economic immigrants aboard than the 50 to 100 that's become the standard load? (It must have crossed the minds of both the people smugglers and their clients that 500 to 1000 arriving in one hit at Christmas Island would force the Australian government to move them elsewhere immediately, and now, 'elsewhere' is only one place - the Promised Land.)
To give an aviation analogy, does this High Court decision usher in the Jumbo era of irregular immigration?
overstayers....
the Jumbo era has been here for years. I read that there are many 1000s who fly in and "disappear".. into the kitchens, building sites, orchards, wherever. 'Agents', lower wages and all.
Boaties get the publicity, so its an upfront issue. And it doesnt seem like any goverment in any country can effectively deal with it.
Remember, the UNHCR says there are about 50 million out there on the move, for one reason or another.
Nice to see the 'Minister of No Consequence' getting a touch up the other day...problem with these political apparatchiks (?) its all like water of a ducks back to them.
Their concrete brains have set. and we the people have to suffer for it.
We need more Arab spring in our step.
Boaties get the publicity, so its an upfront issue. And it doesnt seem like any goverment in any country can effectively deal with it.
Remember, the UNHCR says there are about 50 million out there on the move, for one reason or another.
Nice to see the 'Minister of No Consequence' getting a touch up the other day...problem with these political apparatchiks (?) its all like water of a ducks back to them.
Their concrete brains have set. and we the people have to suffer for it.
We need more Arab spring in our step.
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Shorten and his Mother in law, (GG) represent a serious conflict of interest. His ascent to PM would be catalyst, (bordering on incest), for another High Court challenge.
This grubby mob of Republicans, including The Queen's Representative are so arrogant, they feel it is their right to interfere with the separation of powers when it suits them, but only last week Gillard was bleating about NSW Liberal's allegedly breaching that same divide when State Police were involved in the sleazy goings on of Mr T.
Albanese today defended the right of protest by radical left wingers, yet damned some truck drivers from doing the same.
His Liberal equivalent would have been lynched.
A pox on the lot of them!
This grubby mob of Republicans, including The Queen's Representative are so arrogant, they feel it is their right to interfere with the separation of powers when it suits them, but only last week Gillard was bleating about NSW Liberal's allegedly breaching that same divide when State Police were involved in the sleazy goings on of Mr T.
Albanese today defended the right of protest by radical left wingers, yet damned some truck drivers from doing the same.
His Liberal equivalent would have been lynched.
A pox on the lot of them!