Is Australia its own Worst Enemy?
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New asylum-seeker boat a sign of things to come? | The Australian
72 more happy campers.
I don't know why we don't just start charging the 'irregular immigrants' a visa fee on arrival.
...oh, that's right. We can't, because they don't have a passport to put the visa stamp in.
72 more happy campers.
I don't know why we don't just start charging the 'irregular immigrants' a visa fee on arrival.
...oh, that's right. We can't, because they don't have a passport to put the visa stamp in.
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Been away from informed comment for a few days.Does anyone know exactly why UN sec general Ban Kai Moon (or what ever ) was in Australia last week ? Was it to stroke the Duds ego ? or to give the Red Whore her instructions for the next sitting?I would like to think that it was to oversee Australias withdrawal from that sewer of corruption but as I just saw a dozen pigs over fly the woolshed I would have to live in hope.
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Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd flies out to Mexico and the United States on Wednesday amid reports he has set a new international benchmark for travel.Mr Rudd will make his first bilateral visit to Mexico before attending a forum advancing the Australia-US alliance.
....Also on the agenda are more lobbying for a seat on the UN Security Council.
.....The foreign minister's travel bill topped $1 million in his first nine months in the job. Mr Rudd had now eclipsed his global counterparts, including US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as among the world's most travelled foreign ministers
.....He has not travelled to Malaysia, he hasn't travelled to East Timor, he hasn't travelled to the region
....Also on the agenda are more lobbying for a seat on the UN Security Council.
.....The foreign minister's travel bill topped $1 million in his first nine months in the job. Mr Rudd had now eclipsed his global counterparts, including US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as among the world's most travelled foreign ministers
.....He has not travelled to Malaysia, he hasn't travelled to East Timor, he hasn't travelled to the region
New asylum-seeker boat a sign of things to come? | The Australian
Only 9% of Afghans and 12% of Iranian adults have jobs, even 5 years after arrival most speak little or no English. Denmark found migrants from non western countries cost $3.5 billion a year where as those from western countries contributed $450 million in taxes. (Brisbane Courier Mail 8 May 2011)
The immigrants Australia needs are skilled, English speaking, law abiding and whose culture and religion don't pose a security threat, they must be able to integrate and contribute or it's best they are sent back.
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Hey, Jooliar....
Temporary - not forever, finite end date and can be rescinded if you don't play the game.
Protection - we'll abide by the UN diktats and give you protection from the nasty people that you say that you are escaping from. But protection does not equal a bottomless pit of largesse courtesy of the Oz taxpayer.
Visa - allows you in with a stamp of approval but that stamp must go in your passport or other approved set of papers. Visa can also be overturned. The visa also states that your entry is into a country called Australia; fit in or find somewhere else to your liking. Don't try and impose your values on us. You're the guest - remember?
...do you get it Jooliar???
Temporary - not forever, finite end date and can be rescinded if you don't play the game.
Protection - we'll abide by the UN diktats and give you protection from the nasty people that you say that you are escaping from. But protection does not equal a bottomless pit of largesse courtesy of the Oz taxpayer.
Visa - allows you in with a stamp of approval but that stamp must go in your passport or other approved set of papers. Visa can also be overturned. The visa also states that your entry is into a country called Australia; fit in or find somewhere else to your liking. Don't try and impose your values on us. You're the guest - remember?
...do you get it Jooliar???
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I really cannot stand the voice and can only watch for a few minutes before dry retching sets in.
Saw her on the 7:30 report this evening and she cannot, will not or is unable to answer any questions thinking we do not see thru her deception, devious spin, lack honesty and truth.
The body language shows it all saying I am not telling the truth again.
these are obviously her good points!
JULIA GILLARD - HOW SMART DID THAT LOOK? TRUER WORDS NEVER SPOKEN! - YouTube
Saw her on the 7:30 report this evening and she cannot, will not or is unable to answer any questions thinking we do not see thru her deception, devious spin, lack honesty and truth.
The body language shows it all saying I am not telling the truth again.
these are obviously her good points!
JULIA GILLARD - HOW SMART DID THAT LOOK? TRUER WORDS NEVER SPOKEN! - YouTube
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You're all class Bob.
Why don't you pour yourself another bourbon, load the 12 gauge and return to that rocking chair on the porch.
Why don't you pour yourself another bourbon, load the 12 gauge and return to that rocking chair on the porch.
And Andronikos, ol' mukka - there's plently more of us out there! They're called "average Australians".
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The title of the tread is "Is Australia its own Worst Enemy?"
I fear that the real enemy is the persons (or possibly person SINGULAR who appears here in multi guises) with an apparent aim of descending the debate into a personal slanging match - a place the moderators have shown in the past they're not willing to allow the debate to go.
A disinterested observer might be tempted to opine that this person of many guises wants the thread closed down (as he [or they] managed to do with earlier threads on JetBlast).
With Juliar hellbent on pushing the Malaysia 'solution'(
), I have a question for anyone (one of those superior intellects who's not a 'Redneck') who thinks this is a good idea. If the Malaysia 'plan' proceeds, what will happen when asylum seeker #810 arrives at our shores?
For those who missed it, here's an example of the poor oppressed asylum seekers presenting themselves at Christmas Island. Detainee emails claim 'assaults' - The West Australian ...who make thinly veiled threats that 'something will happen' if they're not treated better.
I fear that the real enemy is the persons (or possibly person SINGULAR who appears here in multi guises) with an apparent aim of descending the debate into a personal slanging match - a place the moderators have shown in the past they're not willing to allow the debate to go.
A disinterested observer might be tempted to opine that this person of many guises wants the thread closed down (as he [or they] managed to do with earlier threads on JetBlast).
With Juliar hellbent on pushing the Malaysia 'solution'(
), I have a question for anyone (one of those superior intellects who's not a 'Redneck') who thinks this is a good idea. If the Malaysia 'plan' proceeds, what will happen when asylum seeker #810 arrives at our shores? For those who missed it, here's an example of the poor oppressed asylum seekers presenting themselves at Christmas Island. Detainee emails claim 'assaults' - The West Australian ...who make thinly veiled threats that 'something will happen' if they're not treated better.
I smell a troll. He signs up only this month to post his grand total of two idiotic posts here on this thread. This nupty wouldn’t know a real redneck if it struck him in the face.
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How about trying reasoned argument rather than relying on personal abuse to present your case?
It's its use of the latter strategy that has helped Labor to achieve its current rating in the polls.
Signs in Parliament today of a shift in the government's approach; which, if continued, may see labor bounce back in the polling. They actually tried to put some substance into the normally vituperative invective. (Although this may have been an unanticipated side effect to Harry Jenkins laying down the law on what is or is not permissable in questions and answers.)
Naming a number of the 1 in 6 conservative MP's and Senators who have bought shares in mining and resource companies since Abbott claimed the carbon tax will destroy that sector was also a good move.
Wonder if the Libs will counter by taking the debate back to the original claims for the need to act on climate change. It wouldn't hurt to point out Prof Flannery's purchases of waterfront properties after he claimed climate change would see massive rises in sea level.
And I wonder how many labor MPs have bought shares in resource companies, secure in the belief that their reforms will offer solid returns.
The real problem for the libs is that they are only closet sceptics and they are trying to appeal to sceptics and warmists alike. They'll end up looking phoney to both sides if they maintain this strategy.
I'm starting to think Abbott may be gone as leader before the next election, unless he adapts to the changing circumstances.
What really surprised me was the over the top reaction and attempt to kill off a tame question from my local MP; who asked why, if the Government's policies were going to finish off the illegal boat arrivals, why was the government building an additional 1500 bed detention centre in Darwin?
Albanese worked very hard to have the question ruled out of order but failed and the PM gave the usual, uninformative non-reply. They seemed determined not to talk about the centres.
Perhaps they are being built to house the right wing journos and bloggers who are being targetted by the Conroy/Brown media enquiry. Just what we'll need - re-education camps.
How about trying reasoned argument rather than relying on personal abuse to present your case?
It's its use of the latter strategy that has helped Labor to achieve its current rating in the polls.
Signs in Parliament today of a shift in the government's approach; which, if continued, may see labor bounce back in the polling. They actually tried to put some substance into the normally vituperative invective. (Although this may have been an unanticipated side effect to Harry Jenkins laying down the law on what is or is not permissable in questions and answers.)
Naming a number of the 1 in 6 conservative MP's and Senators who have bought shares in mining and resource companies since Abbott claimed the carbon tax will destroy that sector was also a good move.
Wonder if the Libs will counter by taking the debate back to the original claims for the need to act on climate change. It wouldn't hurt to point out Prof Flannery's purchases of waterfront properties after he claimed climate change would see massive rises in sea level.
And I wonder how many labor MPs have bought shares in resource companies, secure in the belief that their reforms will offer solid returns.
The real problem for the libs is that they are only closet sceptics and they are trying to appeal to sceptics and warmists alike. They'll end up looking phoney to both sides if they maintain this strategy.
I'm starting to think Abbott may be gone as leader before the next election, unless he adapts to the changing circumstances.
What really surprised me was the over the top reaction and attempt to kill off a tame question from my local MP; who asked why, if the Government's policies were going to finish off the illegal boat arrivals, why was the government building an additional 1500 bed detention centre in Darwin?
Albanese worked very hard to have the question ruled out of order but failed and the PM gave the usual, uninformative non-reply. They seemed determined not to talk about the centres.
Perhaps they are being built to house the right wing journos and bloggers who are being targetted by the Conroy/Brown media enquiry. Just what we'll need - re-education camps.
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The real problem for the libs is that they are only closet sceptics and they are trying to appeal to sceptics and warmists alike. They'll end up looking phoney to both sides if they maintain this strategy.
I see Obama is coming out for two days in November (to watch the ****ing golf!!!! - which tells us where Australia stands in his priorities). Will this be the modern day equivalent of a Royal tour a la Bob Menzies in the 60s? If the Australian public falls for it and allows Juliar to bask in Obama's reflected glory, I've lost hope. I'm cringing already at the thought of what - and how - she will say at those photo ops with Bazza.
..small mercies though. Imagine how incredibly more cringeworthy the speeches and conversations during those photo ops would be if KRudd was to be back in the PM's seat come November.
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One wonders whether Obama will actually make it. Don't forget he has cancelled twice on the most flimsiest of excuses. And that was almost certainly down to the intelligence (a la Wikileaks) that Rudd was doomed. If the same intelligence is being passed about Jooliar then he won't want to be seen to be giving support to her.
And I think that everyone is on the money about the latest contributor to this thread.
And I think that everyone is on the money about the latest contributor to this thread.
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No Capt, they're not called 'average Australians', they're called Rednecks.
Actually I don't agree with a lot of Bob Johns' posts, but he's 100% entitled to make them. Freedom of speech and all, which of course is not guaranteed in Australia as there is nothing in the Constitution or federal legislation to do so. The ALP is certainly not a fan.
If you don't like a poster's opinion the accepted academic protocol is to post 'Well actually Bob, [reference][reference][reference]. BTW, as per the aforesaid references, I think you're wrong'. Welcome to PPRuNe by the way. You are 1. working in aviation 2. interested in aviation 3. an ALP lackey employed to troll the internet 4. some random poster who came to an aviation bulletin board and was suddenly motivated to be politically aware. Either way, welcome with a big pile of cookies. 
That's from a redneck from Redneck land aka the Sunshine State. BTW, Bananas are back, people! Buy some and help the producers, they've been having a rough time of it.
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The latest revelation on the Carbon (dioxide) Tax is the poison pill in the proposed legislation. If passed, any future government would have great difficulty repealing it because it would be deemed an acquisition of property and "permit holders" would be able to sue for damages.
Here is the link to the article in the Australian: Labor plants poison pills in Carbon Tax
It becomes easier to understand why some folks at the big end of town want this tax - nothing to do with the environment and all about money
Here is the link to the article in the Australian: Labor plants poison pills in Carbon Tax
It becomes easier to understand why some folks at the big end of town want this tax - nothing to do with the environment and all about money
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"Red whore"? Intemperate and, maybe, over the top but insulting to all women??? It was in context and referred to one woman only.
Given a reading of the link in Ovation's post then one can understand the hatred of the majority of this country to that woman. The woman who glibly said that there would be no carbon tax under a government that I lead. The woman who the majority of people in this country would like to see knifed in the same manner as that which she knifed Rudd the Dud.
What a pity that we cannot charge such people with treason.
Given a reading of the link in Ovation's post then one can understand the hatred of the majority of this country to that woman. The woman who glibly said that there would be no carbon tax under a government that I lead. The woman who the majority of people in this country would like to see knifed in the same manner as that which she knifed Rudd the Dud.
What a pity that we cannot charge such people with treason.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Last edited by sisemen; 16th Sep 2011 at 01:54. Reason: removed "uncalled for" because it was called for!