iPad Navigation

[MilFlyer]

I'd suggest that carrying a digital copy of an ASA chart is fine. Whether or not some provider has breached ASA Copyright is a matter for them.

AvSoft (not sure if I can name them, I'm sure mods will snip if I can't?) seem to have a nice iPad product with ASA charts. Combined with a good quality kneepad I think it's a candidate for a great EFB.

[Dangly Bits]

All,
I spoke with the FuturevDevelopment guys in CASA through my Aviation Safety Advisor. Here's the go.

It is only an EFB if it becomes pad of the aircraft systems. Eg: data logging, engine trend monitoring, or the info from the device goes into the nav or com system.

An iPad's GPS can't be used as a single source of navigation as it isn't TSO'd, but you can use bothe the maps and the charts (DAPS/ERSA) no problem. Nothing is in the regs that says it has to be paper! Same with the weather! I do save the wx through the NAIPS app to prove that I have.

The OzRunway app won't show m out of date maps, so that MUST be a good thing.

The Future Tech guys at CASA are hoping to get out a CAAP on the EFB's based on the FAA's AC 91/78 (Google it) as soon as they can. Some tips from it will be:
Use a cig lighter plug for power to back up battery.
Carry printed copies of approach plates if carrying fare paying pax. (should be in ops manual anyway)
Don't leave it on the dashboard. Too hot and may fry it.
For gawd sake, don't keep your head down looking at the plurry thing! Eyes out of the cockpit!

So for me.... Good-Bye expensive AsA subscription renewals and amendments. Shagpile, my money is coming your way!

DB.

[MilFlyer]

Ahh.. that rings a bell.. You can use it, but you aren't allowed to use it as a 'Primary source of navigation'..

This reminds me of a debate where they didn't want cross hairs showing aircraft position because pilot's may use it as a primary source of nav. Of course I pointed out that you could just place a cross-hair on the glass of an EFB with a china-graph / pen when you have the map set to display aircraft position in the centre

I'm a convert now. iPro Aviatior kneepad + iPad + Moving Map / Planning Software = EFB.

I wonder what the certification requirements would be for iPad and/or software. Would it be correct that iPad's GPS would need certification, then software using it would be fine?

[Dangly Bits]

Weight and Balance is a whole different ballgame! If you want to use that function, it needs to be in the flight manual as an approved means by the W&B dude who weighs planes! Or so I was told years ago when I first bought a flight planner.

Happy to be proved wrong now though.

DB

[Aussie Bob]

Greetings good people, I am new here ...
I was shown an IPad with Ozrunways on it and was hooked enough to go home and order one and get the app. Fantastic, but can anyone tell me what the button on the lower left that makes a blue ring around the aeroplane is for (apart from making a blue ring around the aeroplane)?

Yet to use inflight but perhaps tomorrow ...

You folk who have designed this app have my admiration!

[blueloo]

The ipad knee board - the pics on their website are a bit small and don't show all angles..... says 1 board fits both ipad 1 and 2....presumably that means on the ipad 2 there is a bit of space behind it.....?

You can't tell from the pics... is the knee strap removable. For example if you had no intention of ever strapping it to your knee.

[djpil]

Weight and Balance is a whole different ballgame!

What you say is true however there is a reg which says to follow the AFM hence the loading system in there. Some aeroplanes have a loading system approved by a Weight Control Officer which is different from the AFM - and that loading system is not part of the approved AFM.
Regardless, no law mandating how you do the arithmetic - whether you use a spreadsheet or mental arithmetic or an EFB then its OK - you take responsibility for the arithmetic.

[VH-XXX]

Bob, pressing the blue dot centres your position on the map and the app will start tracking you. Make sure it's ways lit up for best results.

[MilFlyer]

Hi BlueLoo,

I've never owned an iPad 1 before so I asked

I got a reply.

1. The strap is removable
2. Response on iPad 1 vs iPad2 :

a conversion kit that is included with all kneeboards.

This consists of some strips of self-adhesive foam that are added to the existing foam inside the tray section of the kneeboard. Using the conversion kit, the iPad 2 fits as perfectly snuggly.

[MilFlyer]

Weight and Balance is a whole different ballgame!

For most light aircraft W&B isn't particularly difficult...

That said though, didn't Jetstar get approval to use an Excel spreadsheet?

[blueloo]

Thanks Milflyer.

a conversion kit that is included with all kneeboards.

This consists of some strips of self-adhesive foam that are added to the existing foam inside the tray section of the kneeboard. Using the conversion kit, the iPad 2 fits as perfectly snuggly.

So.....would you say it was designed for the ipad v1... and carries the (slight) bulkiness of the ipad 1 form factor, as opposed to a slender fitting specifically fitting ipad 2 case/kneeboard...

[MilFlyer]

I received mine on Tuesday [wife correction ] . The padding for the iPad2 is an extra millimeter or two thick. I don't think you'd notice the difference externally. Especially once it's sitting on my knee. I guess my best comparison is that it's like an extra 'bandaid' sized strip in there. My iPad certainly doesn't move though and is very well protected.

Design wise I'd say that it's designed for both and has extra padding for the iPad 2 which I'd actually prefer!

The protection is important to me as I don't want to have to explain to my wife why I broke my new $1k tech toy . Also looking forward to giving the OzRunways app a go and stressing a little less over Nav on the weekend.

I've been spoilt at work with million dollar nav systems that show me a pretty map resulting in more coffee time - what's funny is that I can now get it in a Mooney at the price of a half hour

You use OzRunways BlueLoo? You tried the Av Plan software <is that fully released? I found that a little confusing> It overlays the current weather radar over your map / route!

Mind you, if you insist on reducing the width by a millimeter or so their is an Aluminium model that looks to be specifically designed for iPad 2.

Almost forgot to ask.. what App do you use for ERSA etc etc. (ASA pubs) ?

[blueloo]

thanks for the info Milflyer,
i have ozrunways (on iphone), but need a bluetooth GPS.

I bought the EFB app for ERSA. A bit expensive tho. I think ozrunways is probably the go. Haven't tried Avplan, waiting for some reviews first.

[Hold_Short]

Anyone know when the iPad 3 is due out and what the listed prices are going to be?

I'm new to these 'Digital Age' technology and are interested in having all my charts, jepps and flight manuals all in one.

Also, I understand there has been debate about the legalities of the iPad and its use is Australian flight decks, has there been movement within CASA?

I need something to fall back on when/if I get I get ramped!

HS

[baswell]

The rumour is early March. Expect the pricing to be the same as the current model; that's how Apple rolls. Now would be a bad time to buy an iPad 2, as the rumours are very strong indeed.

Movements within CASA: for sure, but nothing official out yet.

[rjtjrt]

HS
Supposedly, iPad3 release date March 7, 2012. This is said to be a fairly reliable date.
Price _ i have no idea.
John

[Aimpoint]

Anyone else find MilFlyer's 'innocent' AvPlan questions above sickening, particularly now we all know about his involvement in the product? Turned me off buying his app.

[Hold_Short]

Thanks very much for your help. I'll wait till then and see how it goes. Appreciate it.

[jts01]

Almost forgot to ask.. what App do you use for ERSA etc etc. (ASA pubs) ?

Ozrunways has the ERSA built in - you just tap any map and a list of ERSA entries nearby will pop up, or you can navigate through just like the paper copy - It's great.

[sprocket check]

Anyone else find MilFlyer's 'innocent' AvPlan questions above sickening, particularly now we all know about his involvement in the product? Turned me off buying his app.

Buy both, then at least you'll be supporting Aus developers, at the price both these apps are, it's a bargain.

And that way if one release has a bug and crashes on you or misbehaves, you have another option.

sc