Matt Hall loads his pants!
Anyone remember that Flight Safety Article he was in about 12 months ago?
So I wonder if this scenario came up in one of his 'what if' scenarios? Ie. What if I lose it into the water thus leaving my wife without a husand and my children without a father...****
So what does the Flight Safety poster boy think that was? Is that an example of how not to wage war on 'error'...
I have no qualms about what these guys do, it is a sport which is dangerous and will take a life eventually, just like many other sports. What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsh
t in my life.
j3
So I wonder if this scenario came up in one of his 'what if' scenarios? Ie. What if I lose it into the water thus leaving my wife without a husand and my children without a father...****
So what does the Flight Safety poster boy think that was? Is that an example of how not to wage war on 'error'...
I have no qualms about what these guys do, it is a sport which is dangerous and will take a life eventually, just like many other sports. What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsh
t in my life.j3
What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsht in my life.
That it was!Half the paying public turn up to see near misses or crashes, just like in motorsport. Not me, but I do love RBAR.
There is a worldwide backlash against the nanny-state culture that has attempted to stifle all fun. Skydiving business has exploded in popularity in the last few years, as have adventure holidays.
Danger is the spice of life.
What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsh
t in my life.
t in my life.
Dont we mitigate risk every time we fly
They both involve an aeroplane
ummmmmm
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"I felt I was having a fairly good run,” Hall said. “I might have skipped twice on the water. It’s a very disappointing result for me. It’s the motor racing equivalent of touching the wall.
I agree with the comparison, but the wall is usually a concrete deflector - they were changed over the years so they didn't grab the car.
It does seem like exuberance is growing in this sport, which really hasn't had a bad safety record to date IMO, and the best way to bring things back from the brink is to have experienced Stewards to counsell the pilots.
I agree with the comparison, but the wall is usually a concrete deflector - they were changed over the years so they didn't grab the car.
It does seem like exuberance is growing in this sport, which really hasn't had a bad safety record to date IMO, and the best way to bring things back from the brink is to have experienced Stewards to counsell the pilots.
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[QUOTE]What I do have a problem with is Mr Hall trying to pass it off as mitigated risk! I have never heard so much bullsht in my life./QUOTE]
I don't suppose the hours spent in FA 18's & F22's & unlimited aerobatics would put him in any position to know what he's talking about
None of these pilots go out there to kill themselves, the fact it could happen is always a possibility, besides what do you expect him to say
Like him or not the man just had an experience none of us would have survived
I don't suppose the hours spent in FA 18's & F22's & unlimited aerobatics would put him in any position to know what he's talking about
None of these pilots go out there to kill themselves, the fact it could happen is always a possibility, besides what do you expect him to say
Like him or not the man just had an experience none of us would have survived
Like him or not the man just had an experience none of us would have survived
I don't suppose the hours spent in FA 18's & F22's & unlimited aerobatics would put him in any position to know what he's talking about
j3
J3 - don't confuse residual risk with mitigated risk.
Mitigated risk means that there are processes and procedures in place to reduce the risk. (i.e. 12 G limits in turns, strict selection criteria etc). This is the process of risk mitigation and there is no doubt this takes place.
Residual risk is the level of risk left AFTER mitigation. It is different for you, me and Matt Hall.
If it is acceptable to him (and it obviously is) let's sit back in our 1g armchairs and enjoy the flying! I certainly do.
Mitigated risk means that there are processes and procedures in place to reduce the risk. (i.e. 12 G limits in turns, strict selection criteria etc). This is the process of risk mitigation and there is no doubt this takes place.
Residual risk is the level of risk left AFTER mitigation. It is different for you, me and Matt Hall.
If it is acceptable to him (and it obviously is) let's sit back in our 1g armchairs and enjoy the flying! I certainly do.
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Insane at the least. If anyone thinks this is a safe thing to do along a river within the CBT of a city with people just a short aircraft disintegration way, then those people have lost the plot. If anyone can tell me it's sport, recreational flying for high testosterone males or just plain low flying I am afraid I will not be convinced. This is akin to allowing hoon-racing by young males in high powered aircraft but I think if you do it in your car, they take your licence and pulverise your car. The whole thing about this activity within the confines of a city CBT is that is should not be on. Who gives approval for this alleged sport? Oh, now I remember: C*S*. Are they the same mob who have become so worried about mid-air collisions in and around ex-GAAP Control Zones that they mandate to the wall but give approval to this kind of rubbish? If any of us did anything approaching this in our 182s or such, we be hung,drawn and quartered. But then again, this is sport isn't it C*S*. 
You're just jealous it's in Perth and not Sydney 
I would love to see the stats on aeroclub memberships after the air races came to Australia.
If I was good enough and had the opportunity I would be there in a heart beat.....
I would love to see the stats on aeroclub memberships after the air races came to Australia.
If I was good enough and had the opportunity I would be there in a heart beat.....
If anyone thinks this is a safe thing to do along a river within the CBT of a city with people just a short aircraft disintegration way, then those people have lost the plot.
For christs sake people, get a life.
These aren't your everyday weekend warriors. They're highly trained aerobatic professionals who have been specially picked to compete in the RBAR.
We all work in an environment whereby we are exposed to risks everyday. It's just a matter of how you control the risk.
morno
I guess my problem is that I just don't get it!
Mostly boring as bat excreta, IMO, unless they dunk one or bounce it off the water.
When in Perth a couple of years ago we had a choice - stay for the RBAR, or fly the FTDK back to Qld. We chose the latter - at least that was the plan until Jaba broke the fuel tanks! The ride home on the Rat still had more appeal than the RBAR.
But that is just me!
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Mostly boring as bat excreta, IMO, unless they dunk one or bounce it off the water.
When in Perth a couple of years ago we had a choice - stay for the RBAR, or fly the FTDK back to Qld. We chose the latter - at least that was the plan until Jaba broke the fuel tanks! The ride home on the Rat still had more appeal than the RBAR.
But that is just me!
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Amazing how we can all argue so much about everyone else's predicament - when you're facing a risk sitting in front of that computer.
"Live by the sword, die by the sword" It's their choice - not like the war was.... eh?
"Live by the sword, die by the sword" It's their choice - not like the war was.... eh?
Ummm, no. Just because you do them, doesn't make them any less risky.
This is akin to allowing hoon-racing by young males in high powered aircraft but I think if you do it in your car, they take your licence and pulverise your car
- One takes place on a public road, one takes place in restricted airspace.
- One involves relatively inexperienced drivers, with little/no training. One involves highly trained and very very experienced pilots.
- One is involves the illegal and irresponsible use of a motor vehicle which is not designed for the tasks it is employed in. One involves the controlled use of a high performance aircraft, specifically designed for the task which it is employed in.
- One has no safety controls, regulation or risk management. One has safety controls, regulation & risk management.
- One is pointless. One is a competition for points and reward.
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An excellent example of Australian Tall Poppy syndrome at its finest.
Good jobs everyone......
Tall poppy syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Good jobs everyone......
Tall poppy syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I always thought Mark Webber had a point with his nanny state remark (which was meant more widely than LH's tyre screeching). Maybe he was wrong. We've become a nanny culture! 