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Snakecharmer excellent post. I have to agree with you 100%. Life and aviation are really a box of chocolates Forrest.
It is truly a raffle at times, but great fun and you will have good memories if you genuinely put in the effort.
Enjoy the ride and smell the roses, you never ever know........
Craven.
It is truly a raffle at times, but great fun and you will have good memories if you genuinely put in the effort.
Enjoy the ride and smell the roses, you never ever know........
Craven.
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Keep drinking that kool aid boys while others enjoy their successful and rewarding careers at other operators.
Give up a 717 or Dash for up to 10 years minimum in a ATR or 777 before the 'chance' of an Aussie jet right seat? Obviously written by company men with their rose tinted glasses on...
Give up a 717 or Dash for up to 10 years minimum in a ATR or 777 before the 'chance' of an Aussie jet right seat? Obviously written by company men with their rose tinted glasses on...
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Give up a 717 or Dash for up to 10 years minimum in a ATR or 777 before the 'chance' of an Aussie jet right seat?
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There are many many people who have made a happy and successful career of instructing, GA, regional flying etc.
Particularly with instructing it is a huge shame that it isn't seen as a well paid career, as professional experienced instructors are worth their weight in gold
BUT! When you get to the point where you are working harder than you would in the airlines, get paid a fraction of what you would get paid in the airlines, in an environment where you have a fraction of the support (load control, flight planning etc) and you don't have much in the way of job security, why wouldn't you have a look at an airline job?
Same theory applies to jobs at Cobham or similar (and yes I have worked for them in a past life). I enjoyed my time there and if it was not a contract dependent job I would probably still be there, but at the end of the day an opportunity arose where I had to make a decision on what was likely to be best for me and more importantly the people who relied on me. As I said before, Cobham can be the best, most efficient operator, the greatest employer and all round nicest guys in the cosmos, BUT if the people who contract them to supply aeroplanes and crews decide to go in a different direction you are potentially stuffed.
All I am saying is take the long view and don't dismiss an opportunity because the first part of the job is not ideal, and make a value judgement on all of the circumstances including your current job and then make a decision. FTS if that makes me a sucker for cool aid and a company man with rose coloured glasses, I guess I will just have to sit in the left hand seat of my wide body jet and suck it up.
Particularly with instructing it is a huge shame that it isn't seen as a well paid career, as professional experienced instructors are worth their weight in gold
BUT! When you get to the point where you are working harder than you would in the airlines, get paid a fraction of what you would get paid in the airlines, in an environment where you have a fraction of the support (load control, flight planning etc) and you don't have much in the way of job security, why wouldn't you have a look at an airline job?
Same theory applies to jobs at Cobham or similar (and yes I have worked for them in a past life). I enjoyed my time there and if it was not a contract dependent job I would probably still be there, but at the end of the day an opportunity arose where I had to make a decision on what was likely to be best for me and more importantly the people who relied on me. As I said before, Cobham can be the best, most efficient operator, the greatest employer and all round nicest guys in the cosmos, BUT if the people who contract them to supply aeroplanes and crews decide to go in a different direction you are potentially stuffed.
All I am saying is take the long view and don't dismiss an opportunity because the first part of the job is not ideal, and make a value judgement on all of the circumstances including your current job and then make a decision. FTS if that makes me a sucker for cool aid and a company man with rose coloured glasses, I guess I will just have to sit in the left hand seat of my wide body jet and suck it up.
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I guess I will just have to sit in the left hand seat of my wide body jet and suck it up.
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No one knows what is going on around here at the moment. I'd say that anyone who joins now won't be seeing the right seat in oz for quite a while, especially because a lot of ATR and all ejet pilots need to be absorbed into the 737 fleet. You could be waiting up to 10 years, realistically. Then again, that could all change. One thing is for sure though, anyone who joins now better not be too concerned about having a command because you definitely won't be seeing that for a loooooong time! If you are happy to fly in NZ, the right seat or just use VA as a stepping stone then it is a great move 
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Now it looks likely any new VA pilots will be behind all of the Tiger pilots too on a combined seniority list. The unions are considering a group date of join of around April 2016 from what I understand. And if you join Tiger you'll also be behind ALL of the existing Virgin group pilots before you can get a command. A joint seniority list sounds good, but this is getting out of control! What number would new starters be? 3000ish?
Maybe atlas, but it is just a forum full of thoughts so in reality it doesn't matter.
As for what might or might not happen, well that's completely speculation. Who knows really. Better luck picking lotto numbers.
As for what might or might not happen, well that's completely speculation. Who knows really. Better luck picking lotto numbers.
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...and Cathay, and a couple of others. Yes FO's & CAPT's both have and will continue to depart the ATR.
I personally know of 3 ATR drivers that have a final interview with Jetstar, and 2 others in Asia with a couple of airlines.
Not sure what management is thinking. When you have so many people walking, you would think you would ask why and do something about it, before it becomes a game changing halt...
I personally know of 3 ATR drivers that have a final interview with Jetstar, and 2 others in Asia with a couple of airlines.
Not sure what management is thinking. When you have so many people walking, you would think you would ask why and do something about it, before it becomes a game changing halt...
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I tend to want to agree with dejapoo, and further extend those thoughts to the multiple EBA's within the group currently being negotiated.
Virgin management have proven time and time again that they are not an ethical company that has the best interests of their employees. This is either deliberate, or even more likely, the result of continued incompetencies within the management of the company and its workers despite what SRB sells books about.
This whole mess is quite literally embarrassing to those in management "managing" the Virgin Group. I'm sure JB & Co. check pprune; it doesn't take long, and would be a lack of foresight on their part to not make the full use of social media to gain information when the traditional avenues are riddled with irrationalised fear.
There appears to be a world wide revolt against career politicians, the "establishment", or whatever you want to call it. CEO's and management are going to be tainted with this same brush and have their work cut out for them to regain trust. Virgin has a long way to go, but has so much to gain from a truly engaged workforce. Let's hope the appointment of John Thomas is the first step in the right direction.
Virgin management have proven time and time again that they are not an ethical company that has the best interests of their employees. This is either deliberate, or even more likely, the result of continued incompetencies within the management of the company and its workers despite what SRB sells books about.
This whole mess is quite literally embarrassing to those in management "managing" the Virgin Group. I'm sure JB & Co. check pprune; it doesn't take long, and would be a lack of foresight on their part to not make the full use of social media to gain information when the traditional avenues are riddled with irrationalised fear.
There appears to be a world wide revolt against career politicians, the "establishment", or whatever you want to call it. CEO's and management are going to be tainted with this same brush and have their work cut out for them to regain trust. Virgin has a long way to go, but has so much to gain from a truly engaged workforce. Let's hope the appointment of John Thomas is the first step in the right direction.
Personally I think every pilot should respond and let them know what they think.
Participation does not equal engagement.
If they think that the place is a screw up and that the executive management couldn't organise a chook raffle they need to say so - and while they are at it they should make it clear what they think of JB and his American offsider. I am pretty sure the gloss has worn off JB. I made the distinction about executive management as I think most middle managers I deal with are doing the best they can with no support from above and constant demands to save more and more money, yet they are the ones blamed by the executive for failing to deliver on the "plan"
If they get an overwhelmingly huge negative response from flight crew then it might make them realise that some of the crap they have been coming out with in the company claims in the eba negotiations are bull****.
The board sees the engagement survey responses and it a big negative response makes it hard for the executive to spin the "we are the most favoured employer" spiel.
Pity the newspapers that report this most favourable employer crap don't bother to do the research and see what the retention rate is like. If everyone on the outside thinks it is an awesome place to work then gets here and then bails out after a short period that has to be more telling than a survey voted on by people who are only looking at the glossy outside.
Participation does not equal engagement.
If they think that the place is a screw up and that the executive management couldn't organise a chook raffle they need to say so - and while they are at it they should make it clear what they think of JB and his American offsider. I am pretty sure the gloss has worn off JB. I made the distinction about executive management as I think most middle managers I deal with are doing the best they can with no support from above and constant demands to save more and more money, yet they are the ones blamed by the executive for failing to deliver on the "plan"
If they get an overwhelmingly huge negative response from flight crew then it might make them realise that some of the crap they have been coming out with in the company claims in the eba negotiations are bull****.
The board sees the engagement survey responses and it a big negative response makes it hard for the executive to spin the "we are the most favoured employer" spiel.
Pity the newspapers that report this most favourable employer crap don't bother to do the research and see what the retention rate is like. If everyone on the outside thinks it is an awesome place to work then gets here and then bails out after a short period that has to be more telling than a survey voted on by people who are only looking at the glossy outside.