NZ ATPL issue / conversion
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NZ ATPL issue / conversion
Giday all
Problem is as follows :
I have a NZ CPL / MEIR / B cat which I haven't used for about 10 years. I have 6000 TT, a full but uncurrent UK ATPL with a bunch of turboprop command and 1000 hours RHS on A320, and a current Qatari ATPL with 1800 hours on A330.
What I'd like to do is get my NZ ATPL issued, and the two airbus ratings put on it.
I'll obviously have to get the "assessment" thing done by ASL but I was wondering if anyone has any heads up about how they view this kind of thing, in terms of getting it done with minimum time and hassle, can you get the licence issued with a IR renewal in a light twin, or do they make you do the full ATPL test? Obviously Air NZ have got the only A320 sim in the country, is that even available for private hire if I needed to do a renewal in that?
Cheers and happy new year to you all
- Luke
Problem is as follows :
I have a NZ CPL / MEIR / B cat which I haven't used for about 10 years. I have 6000 TT, a full but uncurrent UK ATPL with a bunch of turboprop command and 1000 hours RHS on A320, and a current Qatari ATPL with 1800 hours on A330.
What I'd like to do is get my NZ ATPL issued, and the two airbus ratings put on it.
I'll obviously have to get the "assessment" thing done by ASL but I was wondering if anyone has any heads up about how they view this kind of thing, in terms of getting it done with minimum time and hassle, can you get the licence issued with a IR renewal in a light twin, or do they make you do the full ATPL test? Obviously Air NZ have got the only A320 sim in the country, is that even available for private hire if I needed to do a renewal in that?
Cheers and happy new year to you all
- Luke
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G'day LukeSW,
My understanding is that to convert a licence, the country of origin licence I.e. UK or Qatar must be current at time of conversion including medical. If Qatar is ICAO then it shouldn't be a problem.
Check out the link on the Civil Aviation Authority of New Zealand website under pilots and foreign licence conversion. if anything, there should be an email addy for you to contact someone in the office direct.
Also... cos you haven't used your "lifetime" licence for over 5yrs i.e kept it current by way of BFR etc. Your licence is considered invalid til you pass (in your case) CPL or ATPL law and do a re-issue flight test (maybe a BFR... but a flight test of some sort anyway).
thinking of coming home??
Happy new year to you too!
Cheers
S2K
My understanding is that to convert a licence, the country of origin licence I.e. UK or Qatar must be current at time of conversion including medical. If Qatar is ICAO then it shouldn't be a problem.
Check out the link on the Civil Aviation Authority of New Zealand website under pilots and foreign licence conversion. if anything, there should be an email addy for you to contact someone in the office direct.
Also... cos you haven't used your "lifetime" licence for over 5yrs i.e kept it current by way of BFR etc. Your licence is considered invalid til you pass (in your case) CPL or ATPL law and do a re-issue flight test (maybe a BFR... but a flight test of some sort anyway).
thinking of coming home??
Happy new year to you too!
Cheers
S2K
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No mate don't worry I'm not after your job ( yet 
) , just I've heard of some stories of people having difficulty getting their sandpit type ratings recognized in the real world, or by contracting agencies, so just thinking ahead in the unlikely event that I needed to make a quick getaway 
Home on leave in a few weeks and want to have a clear idea of what I might need to do. Just been reading that CAA / ASL link and it looks like you are definitely right re: the ATPL law as well, anybody got a recommendation for some correspondence notes for that?
) , just I've heard of some stories of people having difficulty getting their sandpit type ratings recognized in the real world, or by contracting agencies, so just thinking ahead in the unlikely event that I needed to make a quick getaway Home on leave in a few weeks and want to have a clear idea of what I might need to do. Just been reading that CAA / ASL link and it looks like you are definitely right re: the ATPL law as well, anybody got a recommendation for some correspondence notes for that?
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Hey Luke, yes your JAA licence will need to be completely current (including medical and LPC/OPC) before you can get an assessment from ASL. However once the assessment is complete, you don't need to keep your JAA licence current. The assessment lasts for a year. I've just been through all this myself.
With regard to the ATPL Law, the exams were recently re-written and as far as I can find out the sample papers were withdrawn until they could be re-written. I asked when that might be, and was told that it wasn't a priority and would likely be some time away.
I got all keen and wrote a set of study notes for ATPL law, basically just the syllabus items with the relevant rules and stuff reproduced below them. Still comes to 194 pages though! I can email it to you as a PDF if you want a copy.
Not sure what they will think about the Qatari licence but I wouldn't hold out much hope, ICAO or not. You can only get a type rating put on your licence if the type has been on the NZ register, which I doubt the A330 has.
With regard to the ATPL Law, the exams were recently re-written and as far as I can find out the sample papers were withdrawn until they could be re-written. I asked when that might be, and was told that it wasn't a priority and would likely be some time away.
I got all keen and wrote a set of study notes for ATPL law, basically just the syllabus items with the relevant rules and stuff reproduced below them. Still comes to 194 pages though! I can email it to you as a PDF if you want a copy.
Not sure what they will think about the Qatari licence but I wouldn't hold out much hope, ICAO or not. You can only get a type rating put on your licence if the type has been on the NZ register, which I doubt the A330 has.
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Cheers remoak you're a champion, check your PM's
But surely they must recognize the A330 as a type rating, that didn't even occur to me, just because there aren't any on the ZK register there must be people out there flying for the likes of Rishworth contracts who have the aircraft on their kiwi licences, that sounds kind of bizarre??!!
The A330 is the only thing I'm current on at the moment, so if I have to go and get my A320 rating and UK ATPL current first to get them to even assess me for the kiwi ATPL issue, that kind of defeats the purpose
But surely they must recognize the A330 as a type rating, that didn't even occur to me, just because there aren't any on the ZK register there must be people out there flying for the likes of Rishworth contracts who have the aircraft on their kiwi licences, that sounds kind of bizarre??!!
The A330 is the only thing I'm current on at the moment, so if I have to go and get my A320 rating and UK ATPL current first to get them to even assess me for the kiwi ATPL issue, that kind of defeats the purpose
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From the ASL website:
Sad, but true...
Recognition of aircraft type ratings
Detail regarding the recognition of aircraft type ratings that have been gained overseas are
published in Advisory Circular AC61-1.10.
This may be accessed on the CAA website. “Rules and More/Advisory Circulars
(ACs)/AC61-1.10.” Look on page 5 under the heading “Foreign Type Ratings.”
NOTE: CAA will neither recognize nor issue overseas type ratings for aircraft types that do
not appear on the NZ civil register
Detail regarding the recognition of aircraft type ratings that have been gained overseas are
published in Advisory Circular AC61-1.10.
This may be accessed on the CAA website. “Rules and More/Advisory Circulars
(ACs)/AC61-1.10.” Look on page 5 under the heading “Foreign Type Ratings.”
NOTE: CAA will neither recognize nor issue overseas type ratings for aircraft types that do
not appear on the NZ civil register
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Obviously Air NZ have got the only A320 sim in the country, is that even available for private hire if I needed to do a renewal in that
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The TTMRA agreement between CASA and NZCAA can assist in some of these cases as well Luke. Silly as it sounds, I would also consider UK ATPL-> CASA ATPL with A330 rating -> NZ ATPL without 330 rating.
End result being at least your home country ATPL without the NZATPL flight test, and a non-Qatar ATPL with your 330 type on it. You'll need currency on the UK end, and medical, to convert to CASA, if they don't like the Qatari licence. You may need to do an Australian medical, there's probably a DME in the UK who can do you a CASA Class 1.
Good luck
End result being at least your home country ATPL without the NZATPL flight test, and a non-Qatar ATPL with your 330 type on it. You'll need currency on the UK end, and medical, to convert to CASA, if they don't like the Qatari licence. You may need to do an Australian medical, there's probably a DME in the UK who can do you a CASA Class 1.
Good luck
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Yep, thanks for help all
Strange as it may seem, my research now definitely confirms the cheapest and easiest way to go will be via the Aussie ATPL issue and then the TTMRA. Nice one NZCAA, I'm sure there's some flying instructor back in NZ that could have used the hours dualling me up in a Seneca, but once again Aussie practicality beats kiwi bureaucracy
Strange as it may seem, my research now definitely confirms the cheapest and easiest way to go will be via the Aussie ATPL issue and then the TTMRA. Nice one NZCAA, I'm sure there's some flying instructor back in NZ that could have used the hours dualling me up in a Seneca, but once again Aussie practicality beats kiwi bureaucracy
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Luke,
I have just been down this road and went the way of doing the CASA ATPL conversion. From my experience I ended up spending about the same as I would have if I had just hired the Air NZ sim. You will have to gain your CASA medical then apply for a Certificate of Validation to enable you to do the training in Oz. This is a very frustrating process and took me months to sort. Then you have to sit the CPL LAW exam which gives you the right to sit the ATPL LAW exam which in turn allows you to sit the IREX (instrument exam). These took me 2 weeks pretty much full time self study. You can't book the subsequent exams until you pass the previous, so you have to do all this once you are in OZ. With the exams passed you have to pass the IR flight test which took me two sessions in an FNPT II followed by one flight in a Duchess and the test. You then submit all of this to CASA and wait up to 6 weeks for you licence. I spent 3 weeks full time in Perth to get all of this done and it was very hard work. All in it cost me about $5,000 AUD, AIR NZ quoted me $5,500 NZD for a practice LPC followed by an LST. So cost wise about the same, I know people who have done the NZ conversion and it took them a week in total. If I had it all to do again I think I would have just hired the A320 sim and be done with it. Hope this helps.
I have just been down this road and went the way of doing the CASA ATPL conversion. From my experience I ended up spending about the same as I would have if I had just hired the Air NZ sim. You will have to gain your CASA medical then apply for a Certificate of Validation to enable you to do the training in Oz. This is a very frustrating process and took me months to sort. Then you have to sit the CPL LAW exam which gives you the right to sit the ATPL LAW exam which in turn allows you to sit the IREX (instrument exam). These took me 2 weeks pretty much full time self study. You can't book the subsequent exams until you pass the previous, so you have to do all this once you are in OZ. With the exams passed you have to pass the IR flight test which took me two sessions in an FNPT II followed by one flight in a Duchess and the test. You then submit all of this to CASA and wait up to 6 weeks for you licence. I spent 3 weeks full time in Perth to get all of this done and it was very hard work. All in it cost me about $5,000 AUD, AIR NZ quoted me $5,500 NZD for a practice LPC followed by an LST. So cost wise about the same, I know people who have done the NZ conversion and it took them a week in total. If I had it all to do again I think I would have just hired the A320 sim and be done with it. Hope this helps.
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Solution !
Just stay with your JAA/JAR licence. Why spend all that $$, commit yourself to unecessary pain to get a licence that you will NEVER use ?
Do you have a job in NZ ?
Is there jobs advertised in NZ ?
Will there be jobs advertised in NZ ?
Happy new Year
Do you have a job in NZ ?
Is there jobs advertised in NZ ?
Will there be jobs advertised in NZ ?
Happy new Year
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A man of Luke's experience could always get into Air Nelson.
Oh no... wait... he won't have the 50 hours recent NZ instrument time. Guess he won't be getting into Air Nelson then...
Oh no... wait... he won't have the 50 hours recent NZ instrument time. Guess he won't be getting into Air Nelson then...
Suggest you read the thread (carefully) PF99 before making idiotic suggestions / assumtions. You clearly have have no understanding what or why the thread starter is doing what they are doing.
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Going through the same process as Luke is looking to do (and the FAA ATP for the Bizjet), and having done the budget, theres probably $200 in it (even including the cost of the 767 sim at Air NZ), but now that I spend my time off in NZ, its a no brainer
Luke send me a PM mate with your skype address, I've lost it!
Luke send me a PM mate with your skype address, I've lost it!
