A surreal lack of airmanship
Leaving tie-down ropes/chainschocks in a place on a general tie-down line DOES NOT RESERVE the spot for the owner of said ropes/chains/chocks!
If you want to reserve a tie-down spot then make appropriate arrangements with the aerodrome operator and pay for a reserved parking spot.
Do that to my aeroplane and I will initiate appropriate legal action. I think you will find that interfering with an aircraft is regarded as a serious offence.
Dr
If you want to reserve a tie-down spot then make appropriate arrangements with the aerodrome operator and pay for a reserved parking spot.
Simple solution Aileron. Go to local hardware store and buy appropriate lengths of hardened chain and locks.
When you arrive home and find your tie downs and all other taken by visiting CPL hour builders/ toolish charter pilots
1 Put chains and locks to appropriate use.
2 Attach phone number to chains.
3 Make sure you take your time getting back out to the airport to unlock said chains once you receive phone call.
4 Word gets around soon enough and TADA, unmolested parking space, tie downs and chocks.
5 Call their CFI/CP after they're airborne.
When you arrive home and find your tie downs and all other taken by visiting CPL hour builders/ toolish charter pilots
1 Put chains and locks to appropriate use.
2 Attach phone number to chains.
3 Make sure you take your time getting back out to the airport to unlock said chains once you receive phone call.
4 Word gets around soon enough and TADA, unmolested parking space, tie downs and chocks.
5 Call their CFI/CP after they're airborne.
Dr
I've heard stories about you forky getting a tad worked up when someone parked in front of your hangar
Its not the same as leaving your tie-down ropes on a parking position to "hold" your spot on a free access tie-down line or parking spot.
Dr
Sabotaging an aircraft is certainly a crime. Interfering in such a way as to prevent movement of an aircraft may possibly be legal. For example, non-payment of fees could warrant an aircraft being chained and padlocked in the same way a car can be wheel-clamped. I imagine that these days you would have to get the bailiff involved to do that. But blocking an aircraft with another, or with a vehicle etc, seems perfectly reasonable if someone has been a ********. Dickheads must be punished at every opportunity.....
I know of one case where a propeller was removed from an aircraft by a licensed engineer and not returned to the owner until the staff were paid money owing. Whether or not that was 'interfering' with an aircraft is a moot point, but the alternative of baseball bats in the staff carpark was loudly debated at the time. Legal action was the last thing on the employer's mind - he needed the revenue from the aeroplane to pay off other creditors, so somehow dredged up the missing wages. The engineer of course documented the removal and eventual replacement of the prop. Gotta love it.
I know of one case where a propeller was removed from an aircraft by a licensed engineer and not returned to the owner until the staff were paid money owing. Whether or not that was 'interfering' with an aircraft is a moot point, but the alternative of baseball bats in the staff carpark was loudly debated at the time. Legal action was the last thing on the employer's mind - he needed the revenue from the aeroplane to pay off other creditors, so somehow dredged up the missing wages. The engineer of course documented the removal and eventual replacement of the prop. Gotta love it.
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longassgrass, I don't know who the offender was offhand, but I can find out if I need to. I won't however post that publicly as it will only cause **** throwing in what can be a useful thread. Newbies, these examples stated are to be avoided.
Besides, I think enough pilots in Darwin are reading this thread for word to get around. Then the pilot concerned can make their own decision about their attitude. If they don't like it and refuse to change then they will only look like a bigger tool (and hopefully treated like one) when everyone else has learned from this.
eternity, check pm's.
Besides, I think enough pilots in Darwin are reading this thread for word to get around. Then the pilot concerned can make their own decision about their attitude. If they don't like it and refuse to change then they will only look like a bigger tool (and hopefully treated like one) when everyone else has learned from this.
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Manymak,
Thanks for the tip about the IFR sartime for departure. But when you are operating charter flights (especially out of aboriginal communities) the actual time of departure plus or minus an hour is always a wild guess. If you compound that with the fact that the airstrip is usually quite a few miles from any sort of telephone simply increases the difficulty.
We do however, insist that the troopie (who dropped off or picked up the passengers) DOES wait after you have departed, which in turn gives you time to make contact with ATC before the drive off.
At night, however dept. SARTIME's are always used when departing from remote strips.
Thanks for the tip about the IFR sartime for departure. But when you are operating charter flights (especially out of aboriginal communities) the actual time of departure plus or minus an hour is always a wild guess. If you compound that with the fact that the airstrip is usually quite a few miles from any sort of telephone simply increases the difficulty.
We do however, insist that the troopie (who dropped off or picked up the passengers) DOES wait after you have departed, which in turn gives you time to make contact with ATC before the drive off.
At night, however dept. SARTIME's are always used when departing from remote strips.
I can see where you coming from. But what you can do in that case, and also if you are trouble getting HF on the ground at some communities. Is call up briefing as you are about to start up. You can then give a taxi report to them via phone, that will then activate your flight plan and they will give you any appropriate traffic and then activate your IFR SARWATCH.
Ps. Testra Next G is a must for any remote pilot IMO. It has worked in about 85-90% communities I've been in.
If you can't get HF or are not in contact with a company representative depart VFR. Nothing preventing you from changing your flight category enroute! (say after take-off!)
also if you are trouble getting HF on the ground at some communities. Is call up briefing as you are about to start up. You can then give a taxi report to them via phone, that will then activate your flight plan and they will give you any appropriate traffic and then activate your IFR SARWATCH.
The numbers in the ERSA are a direct number to the Supervisor I believe it is, at either Brisbane or Melbourne Centre's, and they can easily contact the controller's at the console's and co-ordinate it from there.
Cheers
morno
Actually Doc,
We had clearance from the airport operators and were leasing three parking spots. So yeah if you parked there, used my chocks with the company name on ALL THREE SIDES , used my ropes and took my park which the company paid for, you may find your aircraft chained. And my explanantion would go something like this:
'Sorry, thought it was one of the other company aircraft visiting from out of town, and in need of greater security. I'm new you see and didn't realise we didn't have any Warriors/182's/Bonanza's. I just figured cos you were parking in our spot, that you were with the company, and see I thought there was gonna be a storm, so I was just doin what I thought was right'.
If we couldn't be bothered with chains, or we were all flying the next day, just go and get some of that cheap 5 dollar rolls of rope, and also loop it through the tie down points, but spend 15 minutes tying knot after knot after knot, until there is barely a scrap of un-tied rope. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside when you come back the next morning/arvo to find it cut or un-tied at the tie downs. Yeah they got the point.
Either that or you'd find yourself with a 200 dollar bill for 'overnight parking services/chock and tie down hire '. After a while, people ASKED if they could, instead of ASSUMING they could.
Just cos there aint stencilled letters on the ground, don't mean you can go parking anywhere you want.
Ah Pyro, you're trying to make me jealous I'm sure of it!!!! That j3 in particular is a gorgeous example. 85 hp too, so I'm behind the aircraft as soon as it gets airborne...fwoar!!!!
Are you hour building in it? PM if you ever want a passenger, or a cost share for longer trips.
j3
We had clearance from the airport operators and were leasing three parking spots. So yeah if you parked there, used my chocks with the company name on ALL THREE SIDES , used my ropes and took my park which the company paid for, you may find your aircraft chained. And my explanantion would go something like this:
'Sorry, thought it was one of the other company aircraft visiting from out of town, and in need of greater security. I'm new you see and didn't realise we didn't have any Warriors/182's/Bonanza's. I just figured cos you were parking in our spot, that you were with the company, and see I thought there was gonna be a storm, so I was just doin what I thought was right'.
If we couldn't be bothered with chains, or we were all flying the next day, just go and get some of that cheap 5 dollar rolls of rope, and also loop it through the tie down points, but spend 15 minutes tying knot after knot after knot, until there is barely a scrap of un-tied rope. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside when you come back the next morning/arvo to find it cut or un-tied at the tie downs. Yeah they got the point.
Either that or you'd find yourself with a 200 dollar bill for 'overnight parking services/chock and tie down hire '. After a while, people ASKED if they could, instead of ASSUMING they could.
Just cos there aint stencilled letters on the ground, don't mean you can go parking anywhere you want.
Ah Pyro, you're trying to make me jealous I'm sure of it!!!! That j3 in particular is a gorgeous example. 85 hp too, so I'm behind the aircraft as soon as it gets airborne...fwoar!!!!
Are you hour building in it? PM if you ever want a passenger, or a cost share for longer trips.j3
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Ah Pyro, you're trying to make me jealous I'm sure of it!!!! That j3 in particular is a gorgeous example. 85 hp too, so I'm behind the aircraft as soon as it gets airborne...fwoar!!!! 
Are you hour building in it? PM if you ever want a passenger, or a cost share for longer trips.
Are you hour building in it? PM if you ever want a passenger, or a cost share for longer trips.
What to explore the boundaries of BOTH Training areas!
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C'mon FTDK,
Don't you think you're getting a bit too precious here?
Ever played plaintiffs and defendants in the NSW court system??? If you had then you wouldn't be making hairy-chested threats like the one you've just made.............believe me!
Don't you think you're getting a bit too precious here?
Do that to my aeroplane and I will initiate appropriate legal action. I think you will find that interfering with an aircraft is regarded as a serious offence.
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Manymak & air up there
I agree with you completely......Next G is gold and a must have for any pilot operating in remote communities.
Unfortunately operating in Central Oz, there are only about 3 (i think) communities that have Next G available. If I'm within approx 100nm from the larger points (eg: Ayers, Alice, TNK, BMA, WBR) I can usually pick up Next G passing anywhere between 5000-8000ft but by then I would have already made contact with centre.
My only other viable option is to attempt to use a troopies sat phone. But those Iridiums are usually as busted ass as the troopie itself!!
On the odd occasion that you do get through to CEN on the sat phone, the readibility is so bad that you usually just confuse CEN and then become so frustrated that you subconciously start looking for a match for the troopies fuel tank.
But thankfully 95% of the time you can successfully contact on HF whilst on the ground.
Thanks again though.
GG,
Good point in regards to dept. VFR and upgrading. And certainly a real option.
We rarely have bad wx though so you are visual anyway.
Just for a point though - if unable to contact on ground it is standard to remain in VMC until we make contact for traffic information (for obvious reasons)
Eternity.
Unfortunately operating in Central Oz, there are only about 3 (i think) communities that have Next G available. If I'm within approx 100nm from the larger points (eg: Ayers, Alice, TNK, BMA, WBR) I can usually pick up Next G passing anywhere between 5000-8000ft but by then I would have already made contact with centre.
My only other viable option is to attempt to use a troopies sat phone. But those Iridiums are usually as busted ass as the troopie itself!!
On the odd occasion that you do get through to CEN on the sat phone, the readibility is so bad that you usually just confuse CEN and then become so frustrated that you subconciously start looking for a match for the troopies fuel tank.
But thankfully 95% of the time you can successfully contact on HF whilst on the ground.
Thanks again though.
GG,
Good point in regards to dept. VFR and upgrading. And certainly a real option.
We rarely have bad wx though so you are visual anyway.
Just for a point though - if unable to contact on ground it is standard to remain in VMC until we make contact for traffic information (for obvious reasons)
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FTDK.
I agree with you that touching another person's aircraft is a serious offence, however, I think that if you're seriously having the need to threaten people on line then maybe you should look at the attitude of yourself towards others. That there is the attitude of most of the selfish pilots.
What makes you any different to the guy at the fuel bowsers ?
Airmanship is an unwritten gentlefolks agreement, and when someone else breaks that agreement, then it shouldn't change you. They will get found out for it and then you can let karma get the better of them.
Ease up gramps and maybe then alot of the other people in the industry wouldn't be so selfish. It's all about lead by example.
I agree with you that touching another person's aircraft is a serious offence, however, I think that if you're seriously having the need to threaten people on line then maybe you should look at the attitude of yourself towards others. That there is the attitude of most of the selfish pilots.
What makes you any different to the guy at the fuel bowsers ?
Airmanship is an unwritten gentlefolks agreement, and when someone else breaks that agreement, then it shouldn't change you. They will get found out for it and then you can let karma get the better of them.
Ease up gramps and maybe then alot of the other people in the industry wouldn't be so selfish. It's all about lead by example.
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I say 'surreal' because it was such a bizarre thing to hear on the radio that I almost could not believe it was happening. Where I trained there was a huge emphasis placed on airmanship and as such it was very rare to hear someone behaving like such a f*ckwit.
I say airmanship because at a recent CASA seminar on the subject it was pointed out that airmanship need not only pertain to the flying side of our operations but to even the tiniest details like how you behave on the phone to CENSAR to being polite to the refuellers when they come to chuck jungle juice in your machine.
Food for thought anyway.
I say airmanship because at a recent CASA seminar on the subject it was pointed out that airmanship need not only pertain to the flying side of our operations but to even the tiniest details like how you behave on the phone to CENSAR to being polite to the refuellers when they come to chuck jungle juice in your machine.
Food for thought anyway.
This is not just the realm of aviation.
In general, people today just seem to lack manners or respect!
Our whole society is slowly going down the gurgler!
In general, people today just seem to lack manners or respect!
Our whole society is slowly going down the gurgler!