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Flight Safety Australia magazine. A plea for plain English language

Old 16th Nov 2009, 00:59
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The proposition to change the current format of FSA back to the original Aviation Safety Digest that had always enjoyed universal success, was canvassed two years ago with the current editor. The proposition was knocked back based on the fact that FSA magazine had to pay it's own way and it could only do that by copius advertising which is what we see now.
So how does the need for advertising revenue fit with the crap quality of the content?

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Old 16th Nov 2009, 01:33
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I kept every issue I received of the crash comics and any others I that crossed my path that were otherwise unwanted - and then I read every word. Suffice to say I've never kept its replacement and at best have only ever skimmed the rag.

From the very first edition of FSD even Blind Freddy could see it was a poor substitute for the ASD.
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 02:43
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Sun-Tzu remarked over 2500 year ago:

If the instructions are not clear, if the orders are not obeyed, it is the fault of the general. But if the instructions are clear and the soldiers still do not obey, it is the fault of their officers.

Too bad no-one in power seams to have read Sun Tzu
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Old 16th Nov 2009, 11:36
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Why CASA bothers to print and distribute FSA is a mystery.

According to the 'fine print' on the contents page

"The views expressed in this publication are those of the authors, and do not necessarily represent the views of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority"

So it would seem, one can't believe or take anything published in FSA seriously.

Sums up the value of it pretty well I think.

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Old 16th Nov 2009, 12:05
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Other work caused the project to be put to one side but I have the relevant contacts and it will be resurrected in the near to medium future. Centaurus and I have long had a desire to see the old crash comics be available for all the new chums .. who would benefit from learning the lessons of those who often hurt themselves ...
Thanks John, I've got 40 issues scattered between No. 42 and No. 138. Just give us a yell when the ball starts rolling.

I've also got a few duplicates so if anyone's keen on a copy or two shoot us a PM and I'll put it in the mail.
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 00:39
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Did anyone get today's CASA mail out and notice the wanky language in it? I consider myself highly literate and I have never heard the word subsumed used in my entire life.
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 02:53
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subsumed - To classify, include, or incorporate in a more comprehensive category or under a general principle.
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 03:06
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Put ads in if you have to, though i can see conflict of interest rearing it's ugly head, but go back to a more traditional and improved format , writing and editing style my friends and we will once again have a wothwhile and useful safety product that will stay with pilots through their flying careers and beyond.
Generally good points there Harley, but unfortunately the glitzy graphics are expected these days and any publication without them is now considered "amateurish" (not by me, I hasten to add).
Perhaps it's symptomatic of the modern tendency to favour form over function that is becoming more prevalent day by day.

I do believe that your point about "conflict of interest" re the advertising is worrisome and would welcome more discussion about that.
I don't believe that ANY publication can totally disassociate itself from the dictates of advertisers to whom the publication owes a part of its revenue.
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Old 18th Nov 2009, 04:24
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As a 40 year recipient of these Digests I have to agree they are, of late, pathetically weak in informative , interesting & technical content . Something has to be done about the excessive amount of advertisements in them too.
It's about time the government realised the lack of appropriately qualified technical personnel to produce these periodicals. Instead of relying on the public to submit stories , how about some decent technical articles.......
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Old 9th Dec 2009, 16:42
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Have got a stack of Air Safety Digests from the 60s to the 80s , going cheap.
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Old 9th Dec 2009, 20:55
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If you're in Hobart town, I'd be interested in those crash comics!
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 00:54
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Very (very) new to aviation in general and was a bit surprised to be receiving free reading material in the mail. I was pretty happy to be reading anything aviation-related but, to be brutally honest, the magazine was a bit meh. The close calls are alright (the writing a bit amateurish) but the stories re-enforcing regs are just bollocks. Dispassionate, bureacrat-speak which, honestly, I would start to skim but then lose interest within seconds.

Can only surmise they're incuded for legal requirements but to be part of a magazine, y'know, something people will actually read, reckon they need to be a little more human about it. These sorts of 'REMINDER: REGULATION 8008L3SS.OU812/WTFBBQ' smack of school marm scolding. What functioning adult is going to respect or adhere to that? Being reminded to do something you probably were doing anyway generally doesn't work on people with a vaguely functioning cerebral cortex.

That said, I did a bit of searching for these 'crash comics' and found a couple of excerpts;


Informative, specific, interesting and still relevant lessons abound. But, these sorts of things (minus some editorialising) are already covered in ATSB incident/crash reports available online, yeah?

The usual purpose of a digest of any sort, pre-internet, was to disseminate info like incident reports to practitioners. With reports up for easy search/download these days, that elimiinates the need to put it in a digest I'd have thought. So you take away what is probably a large chunk of the publication (please, correct me if I'm wrong as I've not seen one).

So, with the above sorts of articles removed, this probably means you're not left with much to work with. In light of the above, what do people think should be in FSA? Is it even relevant to have it at all any more? It seems a pretty light-weight publication to me and, I'm sure, to a professional pilot, would seem even less relevant. Is the professional pilot the target demographic any more? I wonder because mates who grab a copy and read it when visiting like it a lot.

Thing is, amany industry digests seem to be stuck in a bit of a web-access void where bits of them are available online but the uproar from the lack of relevence would probably pale in comparison to the scenario where the publication was stopped entirely. FSA would be better served as a web publication in its current form, I think.
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 10:31
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Just checked my collection - July 1968 for the old Safety Digest and about every one since. Every one a relevent read even today.

Bit like FTDK, the latest offering lasts about 5 minutes, unless of course severe constipation sets in.
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 11:27
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Add me to the list of people who just bin it when it arrives, utter waste of paper.
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 12:41
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But, these sorts of things (minus some editorialising) are already covered in ATSB incident/crash reports available online, yeah?
Fine if you are happy to spend your time glued all hunch back to a computer screen. Personally I prefer to sit in an armchair with my feet on the dog/cat and sit back and enjoy reading the magazine while occasionally pausing to make myself a cuppa.

The ATSB reports are sanitised to the nth degree and are carefully vetted by the legal eagles. Lots of reference to "Significant factors" leaving the reader to assess for himself the cause of the accident. In marked contrast, Mac Job's ASD magazines were completely different in style and there was no beating about the bush. In other words, you could picture the scene because of Mac Job's fine way with words. There is simply no contest between the two magazines - Air Safety Digest was light years ahead of the current CASA flight safety mag.

Regretfully I can't see any changes happening in the near future, especially as the current mag is driven by advertising revenue.
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 13:02
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Yeah, add me to the list too.

The rubbish graphics hurt my eyes!!

Kind of reminds me of a school kid's book report or something - "now class, you have to write an essay, and it's got to be [insert number] words long"...

So you do the minimum, and pad it out with bul**hi* (worked for me )

Do they write those letters themselves? And what's with the error count?
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Old 10th Dec 2009, 20:23
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Talk about "here's a wheel let's reinvent it"

When I had sorted out the parts that I understood, from the 10 Commandments for LAMEs, I realised that it was exactly what I had been doing for over 45 years.

The rest looked like something from one of KRUDD's scriptwriters so in the bin it went.
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