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Merh - my hour when I started CPL were -
C150 52hr
C172 129hr
Warrior 31hr
Arrow 17hr
all hired from various schools. Total time 230 of which 64 were dual.
When I went to PBAFT for the CPL the only flying I had done with them was a CSU/retract endorsement in an Arrow two and a half years earlier.
I had done a couple of long cross country pleasure flights into central NSW and SA which covered off the CPL nav requirements.
The CPL 'training' was a nav of 2.3 hours, a prelicence flight of 2.4 hours, 1 hour I/F sim, 1.9 hours I/F flight to make up the required I/F time and then the flight test.
The only rating I had pre CPL was the CSU/retract endo. After CPL I skipped NVFR and went straight to a ME-CIR.
Talk to Steve. I am sure he can help you out -if he can fit you in!
C150 52hr
C172 129hr
Warrior 31hr
Arrow 17hr
all hired from various schools. Total time 230 of which 64 were dual.
When I went to PBAFT for the CPL the only flying I had done with them was a CSU/retract endorsement in an Arrow two and a half years earlier.
I had done a couple of long cross country pleasure flights into central NSW and SA which covered off the CPL nav requirements.
The CPL 'training' was a nav of 2.3 hours, a prelicence flight of 2.4 hours, 1 hour I/F sim, 1.9 hours I/F flight to make up the required I/F time and then the flight test.
The only rating I had pre CPL was the CSU/retract endo. After CPL I skipped NVFR and went straight to a ME-CIR.
Talk to Steve. I am sure he can help you out -if he can fit you in!
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CitationJet,
How'd did you find the flying after your hour building, when it came time to do your CSU/Endo + CPL Nav's? Had your private hour-building conditioned you close-enough to a Commercial Standard? Any tips?
That's my only concern - deviating from a structured course makes me anxious as to wether or not I will arrive at a Commercial standard at the end of my hour-building trip, although I will be relying to my G1 mate to guide me. Just a slight concern. For the record, I'll be looking at flying 5-6 hours a day, every day (Wx permitting).
Thanks in advance.
How'd did you find the flying after your hour building, when it came time to do your CSU/Endo + CPL Nav's? Had your private hour-building conditioned you close-enough to a Commercial Standard? Any tips?
That's my only concern - deviating from a structured course makes me anxious as to wether or not I will arrive at a Commercial standard at the end of my hour-building trip, although I will be relying to my G1 mate to guide me. Just a slight concern. For the record, I'll be looking at flying 5-6 hours a day, every day (Wx permitting).
Thanks in advance.
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I'll be looking at flying 5-6 hours a day, every day (Wx permitting).
It's not easy to sustain that when you are hour building, even on a trip round oz, you'll soon burn out.
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Merh,
Print off the CPL flight test marking sheet and at the end of each flight, see if you met the requirments. The only big things CPL wise that I found to be watched more closely are you heading and altitude constraints, your accuracy in landings and ability to navigate to a remote location. It really is just another flight and if you can pull it off error free your licence is in the bag
Print off the CPL flight test marking sheet and at the end of each flight, see if you met the requirments. The only big things CPL wise that I found to be watched more closely are you heading and altitude constraints, your accuracy in landings and ability to navigate to a remote location. It really is just another flight and if you can pull it off error free your licence is in the bag
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G'day Merh,
I didn't find have any difficulty being up to standard for the CPL navs. As SM227 said, get the form and fly to the required standard as you hour build. It is probably worth doing the CSU&retract endorsement at the start of the hour building and put a couple of private hours in just so you are comfortable with the type you will ultimately use for your test.
I didn't find have any difficulty being up to standard for the CPL navs. As SM227 said, get the form and fly to the required standard as you hour build. It is probably worth doing the CSU&retract endorsement at the start of the hour building and put a couple of private hours in just so you are comfortable with the type you will ultimately use for your test.
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the air up there - Good point. Perhaps i'm being a bit over-ambitious. Might try and plan it to have a day's rest in between, or cut the days down to 3-hour flights. Just that I'll most likely have the plan for 3-weeks only.
SM227 - Also good advice, I did take the time to notice that the PPL & CPL test form are essentially identical. I will take on that approach, thanks a lot. Is re-assuring to know that I force myself to pursue accuracy and efficiency in my hour-building then I should be the goods come CPL time.
CitationJet - Thanks again mate, I wasn't sure wether to finish off my CSU before or after the hour building.
Thanks again guys, any thoughts and advice are much appreciated. I'm still a bit nervous about going my own way, but in the same breath, quite excited.
SM227 - Also good advice, I did take the time to notice that the PPL & CPL test form are essentially identical. I will take on that approach, thanks a lot. Is re-assuring to know that I force myself to pursue accuracy and efficiency in my hour-building then I should be the goods come CPL time.
CitationJet - Thanks again mate, I wasn't sure wether to finish off my CSU before or after the hour building.
Thanks again guys, any thoughts and advice are much appreciated. I'm still a bit nervous about going my own way, but in the same breath, quite excited.
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what type of plane? and at what rate? there are many great rates in USA with their weak dollar. Dont develop bad habits, do you have an instrument certified plane and are you instrument rated ? let me know and i will tell u my recommendations,
Great thread guys.Ive got a heap out of it...
Im in a really similar situation to you Merh, and im sure almost every PPL-CPL has had the quandry of how to go about building those hours(unless your loaded or not paying for it).A friend hiring you a plane sounds like a good deal-anything that can save you a few grand here and there will be a bonus..
A question?
My understanding is that the 150 hour course isn't going to get you too far once your qualified, and that 200+ hours is when most employer's will seriously entertain hiring you(for those first flying type jobs-not F.O for Qantas)..Is this a correct assumption, or are there guys out there who have been hired sub 200?
Good luck with it and enjoy!
Im in a really similar situation to you Merh, and im sure almost every PPL-CPL has had the quandry of how to go about building those hours(unless your loaded or not paying for it).A friend hiring you a plane sounds like a good deal-anything that can save you a few grand here and there will be a bonus..
A question?
My understanding is that the 150 hour course isn't going to get you too far once your qualified, and that 200+ hours is when most employer's will seriously entertain hiring you(for those first flying type jobs-not F.O for Qantas)..Is this a correct assumption, or are there guys out there who have been hired sub 200?
Good luck with it and enjoy!
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WI - The aircraft is a IFR Piper Warrior II. The rate is excellent, bordering on 'cost' as it's a close mate who is doing me favor - substantially cheaper than any flying school can offer.
Oh, and no, I'm not Instrument Rated, just building my hours for a 200HR course CPL.
Cheers
Oh, and no, I'm not Instrument Rated, just building my hours for a 200HR course CPL.
Cheers
You'll probably be flying 5-6 hours a day in your first commercial scenic job, so I don't think it is being over ambitious one bit.
Back in my Kunus days during the peak season I was smashing 100 hours a month working any available hour I had.
Get ready for it now! You'll need it working long haul spending much more than 5-6 hours in your seat!
Back in my Kunus days during the peak season I was smashing 100 hours a month working any available hour I had.
Get ready for it now! You'll need it working long haul spending much more than 5-6 hours in your seat!
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I'm investing a bit of time into ringing around for a Flight School that will accomodate for my CSU, a couple of Comm Nav's and my test.
I've had Bini's suggested in Melb, but I'll be doing most of my flying in North Queensland, so around Townsville, Cairns or anywhere in between would be good. Has anyone got any suggestions.
Providing i'm near or at standard at the end of the hour building, I don't want to go to a flight school (like I currently am), where I'll be forced to do follow the 150HR Commercial Syllabus anyway. Defeats the purpose.
I've had Bini's suggested in Melb, but I'll be doing most of my flying in North Queensland, so around Townsville, Cairns or anywhere in between would be good. Has anyone got any suggestions.
Providing i'm near or at standard at the end of the hour building, I don't want to go to a flight school (like I currently am), where I'll be forced to do follow the 150HR Commercial Syllabus anyway. Defeats the purpose.
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I've just completed my PPL, but not yet started my CPL. I have 70TT, 15PIC. Would hour building be more beneficial for me AFTER my upcoming CPL 150 course, or would getting say 20 extra PIC now offer any advantages?
(Sorry to digress from the primary thread topic for a moment).
(Sorry to digress from the primary thread topic for a moment).
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Oh Jazzy, considering you need 70 hours PIC in your 150hr CPL course, you'll find hourbuilding beneficial.....and necessary.
Speak to your school though, they may have some requirements that you need to meet (such as only hours logged in their aircraft count).
Speak to your school though, they may have some requirements that you need to meet (such as only hours logged in their aircraft count).
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Oh Jazzy, considering you need 70 hours PIC in your 150hr CPL course, you'll find hour building beneficial.....and necessary.
Speak to your school though, they may have some requirements that you need to meet (such as only hours logged in their aircraft count).
Speak to your school though, they may have some requirements that you need to meet (such as only hours logged in their aircraft count).
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Pretty sure your flying school's syllabus will dictate that you do the bulk of the hour-building prior to jumping into the Comm Nav's This is the conventional way when it comes to the 150HR course, but there are a few exceptions.
This is the conventional way when it comes to the 150HR course, but there are a few exceptions.
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IMO (and by all means follow what your instructors recommend instead), is to do one commercial nav, then your hour building, then the rest of the navs required for CPL.
By doing at least one nav first, you'll have an idea of the standard to work towards on your hourbuilding, while once you get back you'll be able to nut the remaining navs out quickly.
I did 1 CPL nav the day before I left for a 6 day trip, 1 nav the day after I got back and the final CPL navs the week later.
By doing at least one nav first, you'll have an idea of the standard to work towards on your hourbuilding, while once you get back you'll be able to nut the remaining navs out quickly.
I did 1 CPL nav the day before I left for a 6 day trip, 1 nav the day after I got back and the final CPL navs the week later.
