Mega Merged: REX Recruitment/Cadetship and Working for REX
You're a moron Leirbag. Stop talking.
SGT: In a supply shortage the conditions turn around, I've experienced it first hand. I do acknowledge that its a complex issue however.
SGT: In a supply shortage the conditions turn around, I've experienced it first hand. I do acknowledge that its a complex issue however.
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: ˙ǝqɐq ǝɯ ʇ,uıɐ ʇɐɥʇ 'sɔıʇɐqoɹǝɐ ɹoɟ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɯɐu ɹıǝɥʇ ʇnd ǝɯos
Age: 45
Posts: 715
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think the nuisance are the ones that keep bagging it without really saying why. Don't understand why you don't open a thread that says "Cadetships are the work of the devil, specially that REX one", in that topic, your posts might be appreciated.
The topic was about the Rex "cadetship" and working there. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck.
ps. There are a **** load of pilots out there, sadly not many with the experience required to join the airlines, which is why there is a pilot shortage and why these cadetships are growing and will continue growing.
FRQ CB
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Sydney
Age: 43
Posts: 263
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you had read the last 33 pages you would see why. If you have read those pages are are still posting, you are either a troll or not particularly observant.
On the outside chance you are not taking the proverbial...
About 9 months ago I considered the various cadetships, mainly because I was jack of my current career and wanted in to aviation. I looked at the cadetships for one reason - there was some form of a job at the end of it and I needed that certainty if I was going to upend my families life to become a pilot. While I take what I read on here with a pinch of salt (because clearly the opinion is one way) after some reading and thought it was clear what the cadetships were there for, and long term I decided even if I went through with it, long term I would suffer for it.
Firstly, if there was a pilot shortage in airlines why would they take ab initio pilots when there are many experienced pilots out there that only need some CRM and type training to become airline FOs? That would be cheaper, quicker and less risk for them to get a return on investment on qualified pilot versus an ab initio.
Secondly, if they want you as a pilot, why are you paying them for that opportunity? If they want a guarantee you will stay around and give them a return, there are ways to write that into a contract without an up front financial burden. In what other job do employers out there ask interviewees to pay the costs of their own interview, let alone their training?
Lastly, you have to ask what is in it for the airline to take in inexperienced low hour pilots, when they have other options locally or overseas. This one is clear - all the various cadet schemes end up with either the cadet paying to perform labour for the employer, or entering the crew ranks as a "junior" officer on much lower pay while also paying back their training. These junior roles are typically not defined in EBAs and seem to always have special arrangements. Stop and think about this. Once they have pilots indebted to them, they can offer much smaller raises and condition improvements compared to experienced pilots who know they can command better money elsewhere.
With respect to the REX cadetship there is a question about building command hours. You might build a lot of co-pilot hours, but building command requires company time and money (i.e C&T oversight while you fly ICUS). There is a counter argument that ICUS can be built otherwise, but think about it, does the company really want you to be promoted so they have to pay you captain rates, or would they rather you just get jack of it and leave so they can put in a new cadet on lower wages. So not only are you cheap for them, its hard for you to leave and get ahead.
Perhaps you think I am being cynical. Maybe. But I have also seen enough of how companies and managerial types work to know that the above is not far fetched. The fact is when it comes to flying there is a type of person who just wants to do it regardless - businesses are willing to exploit that for their own gain.
Take from that what you will.
On the outside chance you are not taking the proverbial...
About 9 months ago I considered the various cadetships, mainly because I was jack of my current career and wanted in to aviation. I looked at the cadetships for one reason - there was some form of a job at the end of it and I needed that certainty if I was going to upend my families life to become a pilot. While I take what I read on here with a pinch of salt (because clearly the opinion is one way) after some reading and thought it was clear what the cadetships were there for, and long term I decided even if I went through with it, long term I would suffer for it.
Firstly, if there was a pilot shortage in airlines why would they take ab initio pilots when there are many experienced pilots out there that only need some CRM and type training to become airline FOs? That would be cheaper, quicker and less risk for them to get a return on investment on qualified pilot versus an ab initio.
Secondly, if they want you as a pilot, why are you paying them for that opportunity? If they want a guarantee you will stay around and give them a return, there are ways to write that into a contract without an up front financial burden. In what other job do employers out there ask interviewees to pay the costs of their own interview, let alone their training?
Lastly, you have to ask what is in it for the airline to take in inexperienced low hour pilots, when they have other options locally or overseas. This one is clear - all the various cadet schemes end up with either the cadet paying to perform labour for the employer, or entering the crew ranks as a "junior" officer on much lower pay while also paying back their training. These junior roles are typically not defined in EBAs and seem to always have special arrangements. Stop and think about this. Once they have pilots indebted to them, they can offer much smaller raises and condition improvements compared to experienced pilots who know they can command better money elsewhere.
With respect to the REX cadetship there is a question about building command hours. You might build a lot of co-pilot hours, but building command requires company time and money (i.e C&T oversight while you fly ICUS). There is a counter argument that ICUS can be built otherwise, but think about it, does the company really want you to be promoted so they have to pay you captain rates, or would they rather you just get jack of it and leave so they can put in a new cadet on lower wages. So not only are you cheap for them, its hard for you to leave and get ahead.
Perhaps you think I am being cynical. Maybe. But I have also seen enough of how companies and managerial types work to know that the above is not far fetched. The fact is when it comes to flying there is a type of person who just wants to do it regardless - businesses are willing to exploit that for their own gain.
Take from that what you will.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Perth
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lord Leirbag
ps. There are a **** load of pilots out there, sadly not many with the experience required to join the airlines, which is why there is a pilot shortage and why these cadetships are growing and will continue growing.
Originally Posted by Lord Leirbag
There are a **** load of pilots out there, sadly not many with the experience required to join the airlines
Originally Posted by Lord Leirbag
which is why there is a pilot shortage and why these cadetships are growing and will continue growing.
edit: SgtBundy said it a lot better
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
(I believe ICUS is being approved as we speak).
Sorry to disappoint you but it's just another word for copilot time; which itself is a more honourable term. ICUS is nothing more than an inflated way of saying you were given a leg. Not worth a fig in real life.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tropical Australia
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"I have just joined the cadetship and thought I would provide my ideas and what I know..."
Brilliant; you've just joined and already know it all? Obviously you read the terms in your contract but did you really understand them? I don't think so.
"...keep bagging it without really saying why". Actually, plenty of people have told you why but you obviously can't comprehend what you've been told. Probably why you've signed on with Rex; you don't really understand what you've got yourself in for. Too bad.
I also considered the cadetship but when I read the "fine print" (which has since been removed from their web site), I realised what a con the whole thing is. You are now at the mercy of Rex and will rely on them for any progress you might make. If they don't want to promote you to higher paying positions, you won't move up the ladder. They control your progress. You will be a 'cadet' for a very long time.
Instead of promoting people to fill positions, these companies that use cadet schemes simply recruit more 'cadets' (people who are willing to buy jobs) to fill positions. The 'graduates' are consigned to the scrap heap. You will only ever be of benefit to the company while you are buying your own job.
Cadet schemes like these are a con and a blight on the industry and while they exist, other pilots end up suffering reductions to their terms and conditions. The sooner these schemes are knocked on the head, the better!
Brilliant; you've just joined and already know it all? Obviously you read the terms in your contract but did you really understand them? I don't think so.
"...keep bagging it without really saying why". Actually, plenty of people have told you why but you obviously can't comprehend what you've been told. Probably why you've signed on with Rex; you don't really understand what you've got yourself in for. Too bad.
I also considered the cadetship but when I read the "fine print" (which has since been removed from their web site), I realised what a con the whole thing is. You are now at the mercy of Rex and will rely on them for any progress you might make. If they don't want to promote you to higher paying positions, you won't move up the ladder. They control your progress. You will be a 'cadet' for a very long time.
Instead of promoting people to fill positions, these companies that use cadet schemes simply recruit more 'cadets' (people who are willing to buy jobs) to fill positions. The 'graduates' are consigned to the scrap heap. You will only ever be of benefit to the company while you are buying your own job.
Cadet schemes like these are a con and a blight on the industry and while they exist, other pilots end up suffering reductions to their terms and conditions. The sooner these schemes are knocked on the head, the better!
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Aussssland
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
SgtBundy
I agree with what you say about airlines making money out of the cadets, otherwise they wouldn't have these programs going.
I was told by the management team at REX that they previously gave command to their pilots by transfering them as Captains to Pel-air. They also told me they were close to getting ICUS approved (sorry if I don't know what ICUS means but last time I checked this meant u got command hours under supervision, maybe I'm wrong).
Cirronimbus you are right, I have just joined and I don't know everything. However, I'm happy to talk about what I do know. Later on when I have more experience I'll report back and you never know I might agree with you all or I might have a stronger view on REX.
I didn't come to this forum to fight, just to express my point of view. I agree there are highs and lows with the cadetships like with everything else in life. However, PERSONALLY the highs outweighed the lows.
Is there anyone here that has actually joined a cadetship and is now working for the company that provided the training????? I just wonder what their point of view is.
I agree with what you say about airlines making money out of the cadets, otherwise they wouldn't have these programs going.
I was told by the management team at REX that they previously gave command to their pilots by transfering them as Captains to Pel-air. They also told me they were close to getting ICUS approved (sorry if I don't know what ICUS means but last time I checked this meant u got command hours under supervision, maybe I'm wrong).
Cirronimbus you are right, I have just joined and I don't know everything. However, I'm happy to talk about what I do know. Later on when I have more experience I'll report back and you never know I might agree with you all or I might have a stronger view on REX.
I didn't come to this forum to fight, just to express my point of view. I agree there are highs and lows with the cadetships like with everything else in life. However, PERSONALLY the highs outweighed the lows.
Is there anyone here that has actually joined a cadetship and is now working for the company that provided the training????? I just wonder what their point of view is.
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: They seek him here, they seek him there.
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
His Lordship says,
I was told by the management team at REX that they previously gave command to their pilots by transfering them as Captains to Pel-air.
NO, NO and NO. Has not happened in the past - but - I am reliably told that this about to start, ICUS using Pel training Captains then back to REX, hopefully. Or maybe then as Pel Captains????(They are short) Great I wonder what happens to the Pel FO,s that are ready for a command but now possibly won't get there.
If the REX cadets stay on as Pel Captains until REX want you back don't expect to be the most popular guys/girls around.
Run away run away
I was told by the management team at REX that they previously gave command to their pilots by transfering them as Captains to Pel-air.
NO, NO and NO. Has not happened in the past - but - I am reliably told that this about to start, ICUS using Pel training Captains then back to REX, hopefully. Or maybe then as Pel Captains????(They are short) Great I wonder what happens to the Pel FO,s that are ready for a command but now possibly won't get there.
If the REX cadets stay on as Pel Captains until REX want you back don't expect to be the most popular guys/girls around.Run away run away
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Still in Paradise
Age: 60
Posts: 861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
command to their pilots by transfering them as Captains to Pel-air
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 429
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why wouldnt you be able to have command time with Rex?
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 429
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have no doubt this post will get deleted however if you really want the advice, the best thing I can say is for you to read all the way through this thread (yes all 33 pages). It will help you understand REX's scheme and essentially the premiss of all cadet schemes.
To answer your question though, essentially the means by upgrading a cadet to command is ICUS; In Command Under Supervision. It's not a right though; REX may feel they're better off hiring someone who has command and doesn't require HUGE amounts of costly ICUS, leaving the poor cadet with nothing but 70command and **** load of FO.
I'm not privy to the ins and outs of REX's current situation however from those that are REX isn't in a position to offer ICUS in lieu of command to upgrade cadets. I'm also unaware if anyone has been upgraded at this stage. Given it's been 4 years since the schemes inception, surely someone would have been upgraded by now?
Don't confuse the Australian cadet schemes with those in Europe. In Australia we have a "healthy" pool of qualified experienced pilots who meet the hour requirements. In Europe this pool does not exist to the same extent. This means that companies in Europe don't have the same opportunity to recruit pilots who have the required hours. So the cadets within these companies will slowly progress to command at some stage, if they continue with their career (many give it up for better pay and lifestyle).
Funnily enough despite producing more than enough pilots for their own companies requirements they still actively recruit more "cadets". The kicker is that these guys pay up front and are not guaranteed any work (let alone a Job) at the end of their training. Those that make the grade are offered short term contracts (usually long enough to train more cadets) if there are positions open. Those that don't make the grade are offered the opportunity to pay a fee for X amount of FO hours on the line.
Ask yourself from the management's view, would you spend stakeholders money to upgrade someone whom you have no obligation to or put a guy on who's suitably qualified and requires less outlay now?
To answer your question though, essentially the means by upgrading a cadet to command is ICUS; In Command Under Supervision. It's not a right though; REX may feel they're better off hiring someone who has command and doesn't require HUGE amounts of costly ICUS, leaving the poor cadet with nothing but 70command and **** load of FO.
I'm not privy to the ins and outs of REX's current situation however from those that are REX isn't in a position to offer ICUS in lieu of command to upgrade cadets. I'm also unaware if anyone has been upgraded at this stage. Given it's been 4 years since the schemes inception, surely someone would have been upgraded by now?
Don't confuse the Australian cadet schemes with those in Europe. In Australia we have a "healthy" pool of qualified experienced pilots who meet the hour requirements. In Europe this pool does not exist to the same extent. This means that companies in Europe don't have the same opportunity to recruit pilots who have the required hours. So the cadets within these companies will slowly progress to command at some stage, if they continue with their career (many give it up for better pay and lifestyle).
Funnily enough despite producing more than enough pilots for their own companies requirements they still actively recruit more "cadets". The kicker is that these guys pay up front and are not guaranteed any work (let alone a Job) at the end of their training. Those that make the grade are offered short term contracts (usually long enough to train more cadets) if there are positions open. Those that don't make the grade are offered the opportunity to pay a fee for X amount of FO hours on the line.
Ask yourself from the management's view, would you spend stakeholders money to upgrade someone whom you have no obligation to or put a guy on who's suitably qualified and requires less outlay now?
Yep, we all started somewhere Rondair- difference is most of us used our noggin to do the research as to what you are getting yourself into before you sign up to something. Research in this case is as easy as reading the start of this thread......
ICUS soon to be approved?
Ask the cadets from course 1. They got sold that same lie 3 years ago by the managing director during interviews. Maybe that is why he is on "long service leave".
Ask the cadets from course 1. They got sold that same lie 3 years ago by the managing director during interviews. Maybe that is why he is on "long service leave".
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Queensland
Age: 36
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cadetships seem dodgy to me.
I am 140 odd / 150 hours for my CPL and have had a look at a lot of these cadetships over the last two years. It seems that the operator gets more benefit from these programs than the cadets do.
For example, I remember the Jetstar one costing well over 100,000 and having to ship over to Hong Kong or Singapore for a while to finish it off. They pay a certain amount, they put 80,000 or so on FEE-HELP and you make up the rest of it. In return you get bonded to them for 5 years on minimum salary, still have the FEE-HELP debt and out of pocket tens of thousands of dollars.
I met a guy not too long ago who graduated the QANTAS cadetship program through Griffith University. He got stooged on a position out of the program and had to do the normal run around the outback looking for work. He has since stopped telling people that he was in the cadetship program simply because smaller operators saw him as "only waiting for the call from Qantas". It was a disadvantage to him to have done it through them and he still ended up in the same place as everyone else with a freshly minted CPL.
I honestly think the government needs to get on board with a scheme to give pilots a step up rather than turning to the big boys for a helping hand. Something like HECS or FEE-HELP would be a lot better than trying to do these cadetships it seems.
For example, I remember the Jetstar one costing well over 100,000 and having to ship over to Hong Kong or Singapore for a while to finish it off. They pay a certain amount, they put 80,000 or so on FEE-HELP and you make up the rest of it. In return you get bonded to them for 5 years on minimum salary, still have the FEE-HELP debt and out of pocket tens of thousands of dollars.
I met a guy not too long ago who graduated the QANTAS cadetship program through Griffith University. He got stooged on a position out of the program and had to do the normal run around the outback looking for work. He has since stopped telling people that he was in the cadetship program simply because smaller operators saw him as "only waiting for the call from Qantas". It was a disadvantage to him to have done it through them and he still ended up in the same place as everyone else with a freshly minted CPL.
I honestly think the government needs to get on board with a scheme to give pilots a step up rather than turning to the big boys for a helping hand. Something like HECS or FEE-HELP would be a lot better than trying to do these cadetships it seems.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Around
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ps. There are a **** load of pilots out there, sadly not many with the experience required to join the airlines, which is why there is a pilot shortage and why these cadetships are growing and will continue growing.
Why oh why cant you see this for what it is!... a chance to screw you out of money with false promises and in the process keep the wages and conditions of the current pilot group at the current ****ty level!!
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: APJ
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why oh why cant you see this for what it is!... a chance to screw you out of money with false promises and in the process keep the wages and conditions of the current pilot group at the current ****ty level!!
which is why you have such a huge backlash on the DG&P GA forum..
personally in the 10 yrs you are working your way up in the airlines these days you could make your fortune in IT or LAW or whatever else, and buy a plane, and fly for fun.
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 429
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have to ask, where the hell are people getting the idea that it takes 10 years to "make it"? I've seen this figure used dozens of times. For every mate of mine in airlines (ok small pool of 20 or so) it was 5 maybe 6 tops! Those who accepted regional work did it in less. In fact I have two friends who have made 73 command in less than 10 years!
More misinformation to blur the truth behind all the smoke and mirrors no doubt.
If I worked for 10 years where I was (GA "charter") I'd have 8000 hours broken into 7000ME command, of which 5000 would be on turbine above 5700kg and almost 3000 night! Completely inexperienced aye? Not to mention I'd have earned more than a Jetstar cadet In that same time.
I know everyone has a right to an opinion but for f*cks sake; better have everyone think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove it!
More misinformation to blur the truth behind all the smoke and mirrors no doubt.
If I worked for 10 years where I was (GA "charter") I'd have 8000 hours broken into 7000ME command, of which 5000 would be on turbine above 5700kg and almost 3000 night! Completely inexperienced aye? Not to mention I'd have earned more than a Jetstar cadet In that same time.
I know everyone has a right to an opinion but for f*cks sake; better have everyone think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove it!
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: APJ
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know everyone has a right to an opinion but for f*cks sake; better have everyone think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove it!
REX EBA.
First officer from 1/7/09 2%plus 2.5%
6th year of service.
$52,232
10th year..
$54,322
(you have to take your repayments out of this salary)
let assume you get command;
Captain
1st yr
$69,691
10th yr
$88,348
Jets (if you make it)
over 100k...
if icus/picus was available, great. but i've been hearing the 'its almost approved' line for a while now.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tropical Australia
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"Is there anyone here that has actually joined a cadetship and is now working for the company that provided the training????? I just wonder what their point of view is."
And you need to ask that question because....no one has actually joined up, and "made it"; and therefore, haven't been back to tell everyone how good this scheme is???
If anyone had actually bought the job of their dreams and "made it", I would have thought they might actually be telling us all, how wrong we are about our perceptions of this scheme. "Follow me, mates, this is the easy way"!!!
In fact, the only people I think I've ever heard rabbit on about how good their deal is are Amway suckers and cadet scheme newbies. Neither of whom have actually realised what they have paid for and what they are going to end up with (YET). By the time any of them realise just what they got sucked into, they are too embarrassed to front up and admit it (after all, there have been plenty of warnings from more EXPERIENCED pilots on fora such as these). That might be why you don't hear from those former 'cadets' (they don't actually have anything to brag about, i.e. they haven't "made it")?
You've been told what you want to hear and you believe it but have yet to realise what it will mean in the long run. You haven't "made it" by a long shot; unless you want to be ripped off like the poor sods who join schemes like Amway (and don't make 'it' either).
You aren't going to get rich quick (or 'make it'), so I hope you enjoy the "job" you've just bought for yourself.
"Cadet pilot schemes" are not necessarily designed to get as many "wannabes" as possible into jet airliners (or wherever you think "making it" is) as possible; the schemes are designed to make, or save, as much money as possible for the companies running them. They are designed to make a profit for the operator. They are not about getting "wannabes' into jets as soon as possible. You are at their mercy. You will do what they want, not what you want. You will pay to break the bond so you can get out and go to GA, just so you can move UP to where you think "making it" is (unless you think being a 'bonded' slave is "it"). Whether you, the "cadet" actually "makes it" or not is not a concern for them. Nor do they care about the effect on all the other people in the industry.
Cadet schemes are not designed to assist 'wannabes' as much as they are designed to make a profit for the companies who run them. Do you really think these organisations really want to see so many 'wannabes' get ahead so quickly? Do you really think qualified and highly experienced pilots are not a better option than 'wannabes' who have NOT got that qualification and experience?
The ONLY reason you get a 'position' with a company that runs a cadet scheme to get pilots, is because you PAY THEM for that position. Once you've completed your training, another 'cadet' will be willing to pay for the job and where will you go then, without your 'command' etc?
GA?
Good luck, be sure to let us know how you get on.
And you need to ask that question because....no one has actually joined up, and "made it"; and therefore, haven't been back to tell everyone how good this scheme is???
If anyone had actually bought the job of their dreams and "made it", I would have thought they might actually be telling us all, how wrong we are about our perceptions of this scheme. "Follow me, mates, this is the easy way"!!!
In fact, the only people I think I've ever heard rabbit on about how good their deal is are Amway suckers and cadet scheme newbies. Neither of whom have actually realised what they have paid for and what they are going to end up with (YET). By the time any of them realise just what they got sucked into, they are too embarrassed to front up and admit it (after all, there have been plenty of warnings from more EXPERIENCED pilots on fora such as these). That might be why you don't hear from those former 'cadets' (they don't actually have anything to brag about, i.e. they haven't "made it")?
You've been told what you want to hear and you believe it but have yet to realise what it will mean in the long run. You haven't "made it" by a long shot; unless you want to be ripped off like the poor sods who join schemes like Amway (and don't make 'it' either).
You aren't going to get rich quick (or 'make it'), so I hope you enjoy the "job" you've just bought for yourself.
"Cadet pilot schemes" are not necessarily designed to get as many "wannabes" as possible into jet airliners (or wherever you think "making it" is) as possible; the schemes are designed to make, or save, as much money as possible for the companies running them. They are designed to make a profit for the operator. They are not about getting "wannabes' into jets as soon as possible. You are at their mercy. You will do what they want, not what you want. You will pay to break the bond so you can get out and go to GA, just so you can move UP to where you think "making it" is (unless you think being a 'bonded' slave is "it"). Whether you, the "cadet" actually "makes it" or not is not a concern for them. Nor do they care about the effect on all the other people in the industry.
Cadet schemes are not designed to assist 'wannabes' as much as they are designed to make a profit for the companies who run them. Do you really think these organisations really want to see so many 'wannabes' get ahead so quickly? Do you really think qualified and highly experienced pilots are not a better option than 'wannabes' who have NOT got that qualification and experience?
The ONLY reason you get a 'position' with a company that runs a cadet scheme to get pilots, is because you PAY THEM for that position. Once you've completed your training, another 'cadet' will be willing to pay for the job and where will you go then, without your 'command' etc?
GA?
Good luck, be sure to let us know how you get on.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Oombi
Age: 42
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Very good post cirro! I think most of the cadets are probably off crying about the fact that direct entry guys (and gals) are being hired over the top of them! The funniest thing is hearing them complain about it! They don't have the hours, ability, or regulatory requirements but to quote one, "IT'S WRONG I TELL YOU!". Pfft.. In the words of a J* senior base pilot, suck it up princesses!
FMC.
FMC.